VW id.2 / electric Polo

[dxg]

This looks really good!

As the journalist says, it's somewhat of a return to form for VW on the design front, irrespective of its drivetrain.

If they really can put it out for that price, I'd be seriously looking at this for a runabout. Honda should be worried.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TaNKoYLGsQ

Although, with the wolf motif, I wonder if this might be badged as a new Lupo, rather than Polo...

[Whataguy]

Yes, I'm very interested in this too.

The thing that puts me off a model 3 is the lack of support from Tesla when things go wrong. People being left without transport for weeks doesn't cut it.

If I can buy an id.Polo from my local dealer for £25k and have the back up of service loan cars and support it would be much better.

Also, being familiar with VW as I currently drive a golf.

[Uncle boshy]

Have a read of the vw id3 forums - several cases of cars being bricked by sw updates and stuck at dealers, or dealers not trained and unable to do anything until a tech flies over from Germany.

Vw no better than other manufacturers

[page3]

I think it looks rather bland and for a concept not due for three years that’s pretty surprising.

[C.A.R.]

AutoExpress claims that the "iD1" will be Polo-sized. Makes more sense that this iD2 will end up being a Golf equivalent - the iD3 is far loftier and almost MPV-like. LFP battery tech so can be fully charged without long term damage. Some ambitious aims on price point though.

Whataguy said:

The thing that puts me off a model 3 is the lack of support from Tesla when things go wrong. People being left without transport for weeks doesn't cut it.

Is that based on real world experience or?? I had my first problem with my company Tesla on Monday afternoon. Someone drove to my house yesterday to fix it. That's quicker than most dealerships with physical garages can manage.

You're being mislead by a very few online horror stories I'm afraid.

[Undercover McNoName]

A VW with dull design? How surprising and exciting.

[raspy]

Whataguy said:

Yes, I'm very interested in this too.

The thing that puts me off a model 3 is the lack of support from Tesla when things go wrong. People being left without transport for weeks doesn't cut it.

If I can buy an id.Polo from my local dealer for £25k and have the back up of service loan cars and support it would be much better.

Also, being familiar with VW as I currently drive a golf.

Unlikely it will be £25k in reality. Look at the ID3, promises of under 30,000 Euros at launch and now UK cars start from just under £40k

[SWoll]

C.A.R. said:

AutoExpress claims that the "iD1" will be Polo-sized. Makes more sense that this iD2 will end up being a Golf equivalent - [/b]the iD3 is far loftier and almost MPV-like.[/b] LFP battery tech so can be fully charged without long term damage. Some ambitious aims on price point though.

It's a bit taller than a Golf due to having batteries under the floor. Just like the BMW i4 is a bit taller than than the 4 Series.

Almost certainly the ID2 will be Polo sized and the ID1 a replacement for the e-Up.

What Car said:

When it goes on sale in 2025, the ID 2 will cost from around £22,000. That’s significantly less than similarly-sized rivals, including the e-208 and the Vauxhall Corsa Electric (which cost from £31,345 and £31,800 respectively).

There's zero chance of it costing £22k though. The significantly smaller e-Up was £24k, and who would buy an ID3 at almost £40k if the i2 is almost half the price?

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 16th March 08:14

[Whataguy]

Uncle boshy said:

Have a read of the vw id3 forums - several cases of cars being bricked by sw updates and stuck at dealers, or dealers not trained and unable to do anything until a tech flies over from Germany.

Vw no better than other manufacturers

Thankfully the new id. 2 has grand new software so hopefully they have learned from the id. 3 problems.

It's also planned to have real physical buttons for climate control/volume/etc rather than the useless touch pads .

[stevemcs]

Whataguy said:

Uncle boshy said:

Have a read of the vw id3 forums - several cases of cars being bricked by sw updates and stuck at dealers, or dealers not trained and unable to do anything until a tech flies over from Germany.

Vw no better than other manufacturers

Thankfully the new id. 2 has grand new software so hopefully they have learned from the id. 3 problems.

It's also planned to have real physical buttons for climate control/volume/etc rather than the useless touch pads .

Allegedly only 10 uk dealers nationwide can deal with the difficult stuff

[kambites]

SWoll said:

There's zero chance of it costing £22k though. The significantly smaller e-Up was £24k, and who would buy an ID3 at almost £40k if the i2 is almost half the price?

I'd be amazed if it's under £28k in a spec anyone wants to buy.

[Whataguy]

Base model will be the small battery, without extras.

Still 230hp and 0-60 in 7 seconds though, compares well to the petrol polo gti.

The one I'd want will be the larger battery and heat pump, even getting on for £30k is fine as that's £3k less than a 150hp standard spec automatic golf now.

I don't want the panoramic sunroof, having had one before. The mood lighting isn't important either.

Front wheel drive is also what I'd prefer anyway, as I do a lot of cold weather early morning driving.

[SWoll]

Whataguy said:

Base model will be the small battery, without extras.

Still 230hp and 0-60 in 7 seconds though, compares well to the petrol polo gti.

The one I'd want will be the larger battery and heat pump, even getting on for £30k is fine as that's £3k less than a 150hp standard spec automatic golf now.

I don't want the panoramic sunroof, having had one before. The mood lighting isn't important either.

Front wheel drive is also what I'd prefer anyway, as I do a lot of cold weather early morning driving.

Crystal ball time again, but for the standard model you won't be getting 230hp. 150-180 would be my guess, the 230hp setup will be the GTX spec with the larger battery and cost £35k+

[phil4]

Seems rather unadventurous physically for a concept, indeed it'll look old when it arrives in 2-3 years.

The adventurous stuff was the range and prices promises. Perhaps even hoping for some tech improvements, otherwise there's not much room to hide the battery, especially if it's one that's got 280 miles range.

I suspect as above, when it arrives it'll cost a fair bit more for anything other than a poverty spec that no one wants.

[confused_buyer]

Goodness knows if they'll hit targets but if EVs are really going to hit mass market a lot more cars along these lines are needed and less £40k bloomin' hatchbacks.

The original predicted cross over point on cost for EV v ICE was about 2026 IIRC. No idea if that still holds but if it does a 2025/26 ID1/2 *should* be cheaper than a current petrol Polo.

I think at the moment most EVs are basically one of these:



Perhaps the EVs of 2026 will be one of these:



And maybe by 2030 someone will have come up with one of these:

Edited by confused_buyer on Friday 17th March 12:38

[raspy]

SWoll said:

There's zero chance of it costing £22k though. The significantly smaller e-Up was £24k, and who would buy an ID3 at almost £40k if the i2 is almost half the price?

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 16th March 08:14

Id3 prices will rise further by the time this smaller model comes out.

[DaveGrohl]

I actually quite like the look of it. It’s the first leccy car I’ve seen that isn’t pig ugly. The drawings of the R version that are being speculated about are bordering on nice, even if it’ll never look quite like that. I want to change my mk7 Golf R at some point but VW st the bed with the mk8 and then the Godawful ID3 as far as I was concerned. I thought that was me and VW done forever. Maybe not, we’ll see. Knobs and buttons too? Don’t tease me.

[Richyboy]

Anyone know the battery options?

A Renault Zoe competitor maybe, those have 50kwh and heat pumps I think (not sure).

[georgeyboy12345]

If it has the same kind of interior and infotainment as the id3/id4, etc then count me out

[Whataguy]

Richyboy said:

Anyone know the battery options?

A Renault Zoe competitor maybe, those have 50kwh and heat pumps I think (not sure).

I think it's 40/45kw and 58kw.

58kw apparently will have a new battery chemistry to the standard existing tech 40/45kw.

Edited by Whataguy on Monday 20th March 09:23