Dealer: the Taycan was good for us; it's now a disaster
Discussion
alock said:
What am I missing here? Don't most normal cars lose 40-50% depreciation in their first 3 years?
Brand new Taycan 4S is £87k.
3 year old versions on Autotrader start around £70k.
That's 20%. Owners should be very happy.
I bet if dealers offered £45k and then listed them at £50k they'd fly out the door.
Short memories. Brand new Taycan 4S is £87k.
3 year old versions on Autotrader start around £70k.
That's 20%. Owners should be very happy.
I bet if dealers offered £45k and then listed them at £50k they'd fly out the door.
Soupdragon65 said:
SWoll said:
The counter argument would be that the poorest in society aren't subsiding anything, it's the high earners who are subsidising them with tax contributions that far outweigh what they take out of the system over the same period?
As an example 4 x £30k earners will pay a combined £20k in tax over a year. 1 x £120k earner will pay £45k in tax over the same period.
Although if you include all elements of taxation such as NI and VAT (which is if course a highly regressive tax) then those figures change quite a bitAs an example 4 x £30k earners will pay a combined £20k in tax over a year. 1 x £120k earner will pay £45k in tax over the same period.
OutInTheShed said:
Olivera said:
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I recall the statistic that the majority of 911s ever made are still on the road today. ......
I thought that was landrovers?I recall the statistic that the majority of 911s ever made are still on the road today. ......
:-)
ChocolateFrog said:
Pflanzgarten said:
God forbid there’s any reward for working hard and being successful.
How much harder than nurses do you work?Please enlighten us.
SWoll said:
What a ridiculous question. Which nurses? Do they all work equally hard? Did they not choose their career in the knowledge of the remuneration offered? Do nurses who work harder, train more and take on additional responsibility not earn more than those that don't?
It depends what you mean by success.Doing a good job, working hard (intellectually or physically), delivering a service that adds value to people’s lives are all measures of success. On another scale is how much money you are paid. The link between the two is very tenuous.
A dreadful CEO destroy shareholder value and wreck a company yet they will generally earn more than legions of otherwise successful nurses (or priests or any number of so called vocational jobs)
The trick is in making the vocations feel valued while at the same time paying them less. But it only works up to a point as is being seen at the moment.
Edited by Soupdragon65 on Wednesday 22 March 09:38
DMZ said:
Can nurses avail of BIK salary sacrifice benefits? Be nice if they could roll around in Taycans like everyone else.
Yes there are EV SS schemes available to NHS staff. I recall when I leased my e-tron 3 years ago there were very low prices available on them for NHS workers and saw this reflected in owners groups/forums where people were taking delivery of their cars. I seem to recall some e-tron 50's which were £60k or so RRP going out at £350/month. Obviously lease prices have gone mental since then, so no idea what the current situation is.DMZ said:
Can nurses avail of BIK salary sacrifice benefits? Be nice if they could roll around in Taycans like everyone else.
Taycans are still a fairly rare sight on UK roads, and as above SS has been available in the NHS for quite some time. If you pick a vocation where the average salary is £31k you can only expect so much though as not a huge amount of tax to offset?
SWoll said:
DMZ said:
Can nurses avail of BIK salary sacrifice benefits? Be nice if they could roll around in Taycans like everyone else.
Taycans are still a fairly rare sight on UK roads, and as above SS has been available in the NHS for quite some time. If you pick a vocation where the average salary is £31k you can only expect so much though as not a huge amount of tax to offset?
As for nursing what alternative careers could a person choose given their location and educational attainment. We do not all have a planned career path. I know at the age of 23 I certainly didn't. I think I was just lucky and ended up doing something I grew to really enjoy which then became my life long career.
I see way more Taycans than I would have anticipated given the cost. They are quite distinctive though.
Nomme de Plum said:
I think it is a rather large assumption to state that a person picks a specific career. For many it will be whatever employment is available locally with relatively few alternatives.
As for nursing what alternative careers could a person choose given their location and educational attainment. We do not all have a planned career path. I know at the age of 23 I certainly didn't. I think I was just lucky and ended up doing something I grew to really enjoy which then became my life long career.
I see way more Taycans than I would have anticipated given the cost. They are quite distinctive though.
You are aware of the qualifications required to become a nurse I assume? It's not something you just fall into.As for nursing what alternative careers could a person choose given their location and educational attainment. We do not all have a planned career path. I know at the age of 23 I certainly didn't. I think I was just lucky and ended up doing something I grew to really enjoy which then became my life long career.
I see way more Taycans than I would have anticipated given the cost. They are quite distinctive though.
SWoll said:
You are aware of the qualifications required to become a nurse I assume? It's not something you just fall into.
Yes I am and know several at various grades albeit mostly more mature. Clearly we are talking now, well post 2008ish and a couple of decades ago entry requirements were lower. Of the 700K nurses circa 70% fall into pre degree requirement category.You should also remember that a nurse in 2010 was relatively much better off than they are now.
After my degree I had no idea what I wanted to do like many of my graduate mates.
Nomme de Plum said:
I think it is a rather large assumption to state that a person picks a specific career. For many it will be whatever employment is available locally with relatively few alternatives.
As for nursing what alternative careers could a person choose given their location and educational attainment. We do not all have a planned career path. I know at the age of 23 I certainly didn't. I think I was just lucky and ended up doing something I grew to really enjoy which then became my life long career.
I see way more Taycans than I would have anticipated given the cost. They are quite distinctive though.
The UK is the 2nd biggest market for Taycans in the world (it was based upon 2021 sales anyhow) and the UK in 2021 was Porsche's 4th biggest market globally (in terms of sales of all of their models in the UK) As for nursing what alternative careers could a person choose given their location and educational attainment. We do not all have a planned career path. I know at the age of 23 I certainly didn't. I think I was just lucky and ended up doing something I grew to really enjoy which then became my life long career.
I see way more Taycans than I would have anticipated given the cost. They are quite distinctive though.
raspy said:
The UK is the 2nd biggest market for Taycans in the world (it was based upon 2021 sales anyhow) and the UK in 2021 was Porsche's 4th biggest market globally (in terms of sales of all of their models in the UK)
if anyone wants to see tens of taycan as a time, head to your local porsche dealer, they're all outside being fixed or awaiting parts! im glad in a way, my M3 long range goes back in December and i hope to get into a taycan 4 . i just need to work out if i can stand the loss of range, efficiency and i can avoid potential borkage!
i know of 4 or 5 people who have various tunes of taycan (company owners) and the reliability is atrocious, no wonder why porsche have appeared as the most unreliable car brand in the UK.
Richard-G said:
if anyone wants to see tens of taycan as a time, head to your local porsche dealer, they're all outside being fixed or awaiting parts!
im glad in a way, my M3 long range goes back in December and i hope to get into a taycan 4 . i just need to work out if i can stand the loss of range, efficiency and i can avoid potential borkage!
i know of 4 or 5 people who have various tunes of taycan (company owners) and the reliability is atrocious, no wonder why porsche have appeared as the most unreliable car brand in the UK.
I only had the 4S for a little over 3 months but it never missed a beat and for a big lump handled really well. Not in UK though. im glad in a way, my M3 long range goes back in December and i hope to get into a taycan 4 . i just need to work out if i can stand the loss of range, efficiency and i can avoid potential borkage!
i know of 4 or 5 people who have various tunes of taycan (company owners) and the reliability is atrocious, no wonder why porsche have appeared as the most unreliable car brand in the UK.
Richard-G said:
if anyone wants to see tens of taycan as a time, head to your local porsche dealer, they're all outside being fixed or awaiting parts!
im glad in a way, my M3 long range goes back in December and i hope to get into a taycan 4 . i just need to work out if i can stand the loss of range, efficiency and i can avoid potential borkage!
i know of 4 or 5 people who have various tunes of taycan (company owners) and the reliability is atrocious, no wonder why porsche have appeared as the most unreliable car brand in the UK.
What do the other few thousand Taycan owners in the UK think about reliability? Just wondering whether the 5 people you know are representative? im glad in a way, my M3 long range goes back in December and i hope to get into a taycan 4 . i just need to work out if i can stand the loss of range, efficiency and i can avoid potential borkage!
i know of 4 or 5 people who have various tunes of taycan (company owners) and the reliability is atrocious, no wonder why porsche have appeared as the most unreliable car brand in the UK.
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