2021 - Don't get too excited

2021 - Don't get too excited

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Vette_1978

3,085 posts

182 months

Wednesday 21st October
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LawrieC said:
Hypercars may exist but what happened to LMDP?
Without referring to DSC, S365, Endurance or Google - I think hyper car is due next season, maybe only a few cars but think it is due. So no LMP1 next year. Toyota, Bykolles and Glikenhaus, with Peugeot a year after and maybe some others. The LMdP stuff is due 22 season, so the year after. Based on 4 chassis, meeting DP2.0 regs for IMSA. No idea if GT stays same. Anyway, that’s what I thought without checking.

FredericRobinson

2,239 posts

192 months

Wednesday 21st October
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Sorry, yes '22 at the earliest for LMDH, GTE stays the same for now

Great Dane

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2,454 posts

126 months

Wednesday 21st October
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LawrieC said:
I've lost track completely.

Is it still a July to June season?

Hypercars may exist but what happened to LMDP?

LMP2 seemed to be working well - lots of entries/good racing etc - has this been trashed to make Hypercars look good?

Yes/No answers will suffice.
When the hypercars come in p2 will be slowed just like in IMSA when DPI was in danger of being beaten

Red Firecracker

5,178 posts

187 months

Wednesday 21st October
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They'll be grandfathered LMP1 next year as well, Alpine will be entering an ex Rebellion/Oreca R13 and theoretically the BR01 could return and even the Ginetta if you can find somebody with enough desire to burn money for little return. The grandfathering, we are promised, will match them to the Hypercars, although we'll have to wait and see how matched they are allowed to be.

The 2021 season will not span into 2022, it will start in March in Sebring and end in November in Bahrain, so back to a normal calendar (unfortunately I think) with Le Mans sitting awkwardly as the third race (I never liked the double points race not being the final decider)

LMDh is planned to emerge in '22 with first full season in '23. That's already a delay so it will be a wait and see game as to the long term effects of the current world on budgets and hence actual take up. It's looking tough in places.

FredericRobinson

2,239 posts

192 months

Thursday 22nd October
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Red Firecracker said:
They'll be grandfathered LMP1 next year as well, Alpine will be entering an ex Rebellion/Oreca R13 and theoretically the BR01 could return and even the Ginetta if you can find somebody with enough desire to burn money for little return. The grandfathering, we are promised, will match them to the Hypercars, although we'll have to wait and see how matched they are allowed to be..
This is going to be very interesting to see, they'll be desperate to keep Alpine happy and get them into a LMH or LMDH programme, so much more matched than if Rebellion were entering the car

Red Firecracker

5,178 posts

187 months

Thursday 22nd October
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FredericRobinson said:
This is going to be very interesting to see, they'll be desperate to keep Alpine happy and get them into a LMH or LMDH programme, so much more matched than if Rebellion were entering the car
The problem will be the one that has caused contention in the past, the tyres. The previous LMP1 rubber was developed for the Hybrid cars, so driven fronts, which the R13 just couldn't get to work and a vote to bring in specific privateer front tyres in early 2019 was actually vetoed by one of the LMP1 teams (SMP).

Will Michelin be minded to develop (or actually just dig out the old privateer LMP1 tyres) and supply specific tyres for (potentially) one chassis? On the other hand, they're both French, so......

LawrieC

256 posts

64 months

Saturday 24th October
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According to the BBC, Macron says his country will be fighting the virus until at least the middle of next year as cases there surged past a million. On Friday France recorded more than 40,000 new cases (twice ours)

I can't understand why the virus likes old industrial cities and rural France, but next June isn't looking good

chrisring

151 posts

105 months

Saturday 24th October
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I think you are right, not that I really want to believe it yet!!

But, I think June will be too early to see enough relief from the virus, it was mid summer this year before things were getting better.

I wonder if/when they will start looking at a September race?
I think an early decision would be better than what happened this year.

LawrieC

256 posts

64 months

Saturday 24th October
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I like to think that they'll wait till Christmas to see if a vaccine arrives, and go from there

Great Dane

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2,454 posts

126 months

Saturday 24th October
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LawrieC said:
According to the BBC, Macron says his country will be fighting the virus until at least the middle of next year as cases there surged past a million. On Friday France recorded more than 40,000 new cases (twice ours)

I can't understand why the virus likes old industrial cities and rural France, but next June isn't looking good
living conditions with small rooms and crammed flats... long explanation but my cousin who is a retired doctor, suggested this after she in her younger days were involved in a study in Africa about infectious deceases and their spread.

wsn03

1,532 posts

61 months

Tuesday 27th October
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LawrieC said:
I like to think that they'll wait till Christmas to see if a vaccine arrives, and go from there
Agreed. They are about to start administering it properly according to an article I read last night, so out before the end of the year. Macron is just repeating words of advisors, and nobody knows what will happen - it all hinges on whether any vaccines work.

Unfortunately September would be a safer time to have the race because roll out will be in full swing by then - I really hope however it isn't moved from June.

Red Firecracker

5,178 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th October
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It has to be borne in mind that Le Mans is not really a stand alone race, it is part of a World Championship, so the decision on when it runs, if not in June, has to fit in with the other races (which is not to say that it won't influence when those other races happen).

The first round at Sebring in March is the key, as the WEC prefer to sea freight everything, so dropping in the other two long haul races, Japan and Bahrain earlier in the season could cause massive issues.

No news on potential movement of date before March is my bet.


LawrieC

256 posts

64 months

Wednesday 28th October
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Looks like France is heading for a 4 week "Firebreak" tomorrow, presumably to recover before Christmas, so I can't see anything happening till then.

I'm afraid its up to us to stop the virus - just avoid other people


wsn03

1,532 posts

61 months

Wednesday 4th November
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-small-chanc...

Whatever happens we have booked a weekend away for a planning meeting in February.

We will use this session wisely to try out lots of steak, wine and beer, and to watch a few films.

Probably won't plan anything but our wives won't actually know that



Edited by wsn03 on Wednesday 4th November 11:06

LawrieC

256 posts

64 months

Thursday 5th November
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That sounds awfully familiar beer

And you can get the Oxford vaccine now, in Moscow eek

wsn03

1,532 posts

61 months

Friday 6th November
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LawrieC said:
That sounds awfully familiar beer

And you can get the Oxford vaccine now, in Moscow eek
We've never needed a planning meeting before, however, following the success of our Le Mans weekend in the UK we've decided its kind of necessary.

We've got 3 coming now, that's a lot of beer and talking utter ste - probably an easier / more reliable event than Le Mans itself in these times thoughbeer

chrisring

151 posts

105 months

Friday 6th November
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our planning meetings can be almost as good as the week in France!!

to be honest we don't get much done at the planning meeting, but its normally at a very good restaurant and involves large amount of good food and wine!

CallMeLegend

8,657 posts

170 months

Wednesday 25th November
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Was only talking to a friend of mine today about 2021 LM. This makes pretty gloomy reading, maybe Silverstone Classic 2021 MAY be a safer bet.

We're trying to stay upbeat, we booked tickets yesterday for the British Grand Prix weekend, as I said, keeping positive.

Truckosaurus

7,869 posts

244 months

Thursday 26th November
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Another recently announced change for 2021 is the 24hr Test Day moving to the weekend before the race (Sunday 6th June) rather than the more usual 2 weekends (let alone the former May dates of the past) - so a keen race goer could travel down on Saturday the 5th and see some early track action and the scrutineering for a bumper 9-day trip.

Red Firecracker

5,178 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th November
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And stay at the ibis at a very reasonable rate laugh