370z, BMW Z4M, or Cayman
Discussion
Toltec said:
How about trying a Cayman at the Porsche experience? Might help you decide if a Cayman is what you want.
Yea, I might do that. I'll have to wear my best clothes going into a Porsche garage.Maybe I should explain my requirements when upgrading.
I have a Focus ST MK2 remapped to around 260. I plan to upgrade my car later this year or early on, so I'm looking for the car now so that I can start saving for it. I want something with more torque, more stylish, quicker and better handling. I don't want to feel like the car lacks when I'm spending 3x the amount of my last one. I want an upgrade in every way. My budget is around £15-17k.
Will these cars feel slower because they're NA? Will the ST feel quicker even though the other cars have a higher lb/torque and bhp? If I want that kind of torque, should I be looking for a car with a turbo?
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 18:11
PhilUK said:
Toltec said:
How about trying a Cayman at the Porsche experience? Might help you decide if a Cayman is what you want.
Yea, I might do that. I used to own a 370Z and loved it. There's a bit of a writeup in my My Garage section on my profile about the Nissan, but for the purposes of the thread I can weigh in with a few of the common issues with them.
The Z replaced an M6 so I probably didn't appreciate the acceleration as much - however what I would say is that it's very smooth and predictable, with plenty of power low down. It never felt slow, in fact the performance is probably pretty comparable to the Z4M. The Nissan doesn't sound as good as the Z4M out of the box (strangely enough, the S54 in the Z4M also sounds a little more muted than its placement in the E46 M3) but by adding an aftermarket exhaust the car is much, much better.
In terms of common faults, if you push the car hard then you'll likely experience high oil temperatures. An aftermarket oil cooler is a very common mod, particularly for Z owners in the US where it's warmer than it gets here. After a couple of laps on track on a very warm summer's day, my oil temps were north of 140C, and on a spirited drive around Wales a friend's 370Z overheated, whereas the rest of us in an MX-5 and S2000 were happily chugging along.
Clutches on the Z also don't last too long, and this can be exacerbated if you start modifying the car. Mine was starting to slip slightly as I got rid of the car (it had done about 26k, 10k of which was on a new clutch), I'd imagine the rev-matching feature knocks a bit of life off the clutch. Fantastically nifty feature though, I'd almost recommend the 370Z for that alone.
I also had a problem with one of the engine sensors, it'd send the car into limp mode which meant I had to get it recovered to a garage. It wasn't a particularly expensive fix, but a bit of a pain. They're not common failures, but certainly not unheard of. Nothing else went wrong with mine while I had it. I used to use Kaizer Motor in Southampton, it's a bit of a way to travel (I lived in Bristol at the time) but Sly really knows his way around Zs and GT-Rs.
Another thing to bear in mind with the 370Z - the tyres are pretty thin and offer next to no kerb protection, so as a result it's a very easy car to kerb. Since the rear wheels are on a slightly wider track they're normally the ones that get clobbered. I put a nick in one of my wheels within a few weeks of owning it, wasn't a problem as within a day of driving it the girl I was seeing had kerbed all four.
Another little niggle are the alarm sensors, if you leave the door-mounted air vents open on a windy day, sometimes the alarm can be triggered. Finally, the wing mirrors are enormous and can be difficult to see past, which can be awkward at roundabouts when you're trying to see if there's a car on your right.
In all honesty though, the 370Z is a fantastic machine and I do think they're quite underrated. I would have no hestitation in recommending you buy one over a Z4M or Cayman - having previously owned a 911 and M3 too, I do think the 370Z is the best at what it does - if I needed rear seats I'd obviously have one of the others, but in your selection, I'd pick the 370Z.
HTH
The Z replaced an M6 so I probably didn't appreciate the acceleration as much - however what I would say is that it's very smooth and predictable, with plenty of power low down. It never felt slow, in fact the performance is probably pretty comparable to the Z4M. The Nissan doesn't sound as good as the Z4M out of the box (strangely enough, the S54 in the Z4M also sounds a little more muted than its placement in the E46 M3) but by adding an aftermarket exhaust the car is much, much better.
In terms of common faults, if you push the car hard then you'll likely experience high oil temperatures. An aftermarket oil cooler is a very common mod, particularly for Z owners in the US where it's warmer than it gets here. After a couple of laps on track on a very warm summer's day, my oil temps were north of 140C, and on a spirited drive around Wales a friend's 370Z overheated, whereas the rest of us in an MX-5 and S2000 were happily chugging along.
Clutches on the Z also don't last too long, and this can be exacerbated if you start modifying the car. Mine was starting to slip slightly as I got rid of the car (it had done about 26k, 10k of which was on a new clutch), I'd imagine the rev-matching feature knocks a bit of life off the clutch. Fantastically nifty feature though, I'd almost recommend the 370Z for that alone.
I also had a problem with one of the engine sensors, it'd send the car into limp mode which meant I had to get it recovered to a garage. It wasn't a particularly expensive fix, but a bit of a pain. They're not common failures, but certainly not unheard of. Nothing else went wrong with mine while I had it. I used to use Kaizer Motor in Southampton, it's a bit of a way to travel (I lived in Bristol at the time) but Sly really knows his way around Zs and GT-Rs.
Another thing to bear in mind with the 370Z - the tyres are pretty thin and offer next to no kerb protection, so as a result it's a very easy car to kerb. Since the rear wheels are on a slightly wider track they're normally the ones that get clobbered. I put a nick in one of my wheels within a few weeks of owning it, wasn't a problem as within a day of driving it the girl I was seeing had kerbed all four.
Another little niggle are the alarm sensors, if you leave the door-mounted air vents open on a windy day, sometimes the alarm can be triggered. Finally, the wing mirrors are enormous and can be difficult to see past, which can be awkward at roundabouts when you're trying to see if there's a car on your right.
In all honesty though, the 370Z is a fantastic machine and I do think they're quite underrated. I would have no hestitation in recommending you buy one over a Z4M or Cayman - having previously owned a 911 and M3 too, I do think the 370Z is the best at what it does - if I needed rear seats I'd obviously have one of the others, but in your selection, I'd pick the 370Z.
HTH
sebhaque said:
I used to own a 370Z and loved it. There's a bit of a writeup in my My Garage section on my profile about the Nissan, but for the purposes of the thread I can weigh in with a few of the common issues with them.
The Z replaced an M6 so I probably didn't appreciate the acceleration as much - however what I would say is that it's very smooth and predictable, with plenty of power low down. It never felt slow, in fact the performance is probably pretty comparable to the Z4M. The Nissan doesn't sound as good as the Z4M out of the box (strangely enough, the S54 in the Z4M also sounds a little more muted than its placement in the E46 M3) but by adding an aftermarket exhaust the car is much, much better.
In terms of common faults, if you push the car hard then you'll likely experience high oil temperatures. An aftermarket oil cooler is a very common mod, particularly for Z owners in the US where it's warmer than it gets here. After a couple of laps on track on a very warm summer's day, my oil temps were north of 140C, and on a spirited drive around Wales a friend's 370Z overheated, whereas the rest of us in an MX-5 and S2000 were happily chugging along.
Clutches on the Z also don't last too long, and this can be exacerbated if you start modifying the car. Mine was starting to slip slightly as I got rid of the car (it had done about 26k, 10k of which was on a new clutch), I'd imagine the rev-matching feature knocks a bit of life off the clutch. Fantastically nifty feature though, I'd almost recommend the 370Z for that alone.
I also had a problem with one of the engine sensors, it'd send the car into limp mode which meant I had to get it recovered to a garage. It wasn't a particularly expensive fix, but a bit of a pain. They're not common failures, but certainly not unheard of. Nothing else went wrong with mine while I had it. I used to use Kaizer Motor in Southampton, it's a bit of a way to travel (I lived in Bristol at the time) but Sly really knows his way around Zs and GT-Rs.
Another thing to bear in mind with the 370Z - the tyres are pretty thin and offer next to no kerb protection, so as a result it's a very easy car to kerb. Since the rear wheels are on a slightly wider track they're normally the ones that get clobbered. I put a nick in one of my wheels within a few weeks of owning it, wasn't a problem as within a day of driving it the girl I was seeing had kerbed all four.
Another little niggle are the alarm sensors, if you leave the door-mounted air vents open on a windy day, sometimes the alarm can be triggered. Finally, the wing mirrors are enormous and can be difficult to see past, which can be awkward at roundabouts when you're trying to see if there's a car on your right.
In all honesty though, the 370Z is a fantastic machine and I do think they're quite underrated. I would have no hestitation in recommending you buy one over a Z4M or Cayman - having previously owned a 911 and M3 too, I do think the 370Z is the best at what it does - if I needed rear seats I'd obviously have one of the others, but in your selection, I'd pick the 370Z.
HTH
Thanks for the detailed post. I appreciate it. I guess that what I'm a little bit concerned with is that I've always had cars with turbos. And I'm realising that they won't have the torque that I'm used to. All the routes and roads I like are kinda mid speed roads. Lots of bends and stuff, and I ride sports bikes, so torque is kind of what I'm used to and what I like. I'm concerned that the 370Z will just feel a lot slower, and that would disappoint me a lot. :/ What do you think?The Z replaced an M6 so I probably didn't appreciate the acceleration as much - however what I would say is that it's very smooth and predictable, with plenty of power low down. It never felt slow, in fact the performance is probably pretty comparable to the Z4M. The Nissan doesn't sound as good as the Z4M out of the box (strangely enough, the S54 in the Z4M also sounds a little more muted than its placement in the E46 M3) but by adding an aftermarket exhaust the car is much, much better.
In terms of common faults, if you push the car hard then you'll likely experience high oil temperatures. An aftermarket oil cooler is a very common mod, particularly for Z owners in the US where it's warmer than it gets here. After a couple of laps on track on a very warm summer's day, my oil temps were north of 140C, and on a spirited drive around Wales a friend's 370Z overheated, whereas the rest of us in an MX-5 and S2000 were happily chugging along.
Clutches on the Z also don't last too long, and this can be exacerbated if you start modifying the car. Mine was starting to slip slightly as I got rid of the car (it had done about 26k, 10k of which was on a new clutch), I'd imagine the rev-matching feature knocks a bit of life off the clutch. Fantastically nifty feature though, I'd almost recommend the 370Z for that alone.
I also had a problem with one of the engine sensors, it'd send the car into limp mode which meant I had to get it recovered to a garage. It wasn't a particularly expensive fix, but a bit of a pain. They're not common failures, but certainly not unheard of. Nothing else went wrong with mine while I had it. I used to use Kaizer Motor in Southampton, it's a bit of a way to travel (I lived in Bristol at the time) but Sly really knows his way around Zs and GT-Rs.
Another thing to bear in mind with the 370Z - the tyres are pretty thin and offer next to no kerb protection, so as a result it's a very easy car to kerb. Since the rear wheels are on a slightly wider track they're normally the ones that get clobbered. I put a nick in one of my wheels within a few weeks of owning it, wasn't a problem as within a day of driving it the girl I was seeing had kerbed all four.
Another little niggle are the alarm sensors, if you leave the door-mounted air vents open on a windy day, sometimes the alarm can be triggered. Finally, the wing mirrors are enormous and can be difficult to see past, which can be awkward at roundabouts when you're trying to see if there's a car on your right.
In all honesty though, the 370Z is a fantastic machine and I do think they're quite underrated. I would have no hestitation in recommending you buy one over a Z4M or Cayman - having previously owned a 911 and M3 too, I do think the 370Z is the best at what it does - if I needed rear seats I'd obviously have one of the others, but in your selection, I'd pick the 370Z.
HTH
I'm wondering if maybe I should be looking at a newer ST and to remap it, or get a Megane 265 and do the same. The Audi TTS would be the ideal car in this situation. I really have to drive the others to feel what the power delivery is like, but I really do love that 'pushing you to the back of the seat' feeling.
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 19:15
PhilUK said:
Thanks for the detailed post. I appreciate it. I guess that what I'm a little bit concerned with is that I've always had cars with turbos. And I'm realising that they won't have the torque that I'm used to. All the routes and roads I like are kinda mid speed roads. Lots of bends and stuff, and I ride sports bikes, so torque is kind of what I'm used to and what I like. I'm concerned that the 370Z will just feel a lot slower, and that would disappoint me a lot. :/ What do you think?
I'm wondering if maybe I should be looking at a newer ST and to remap it, or get a Megane 265 and do the same. The Audi TTS would be the ideal car in this situation. I really have to drive the others to feel what the power delivery is like, but I really do love that 'pushing you to the back of the seat' feeling.
The N/A cars still have plenty of torque to offer, but what you're probably used to in a turbo is it all arriving in a big lump. Have you considered cars like the Impreza or Evo? Again, having had both, the Impreza STi would be top of the pile for me. Your budget puts you in a good selection of well-cared for examples of the rally-esque cars.I'm wondering if maybe I should be looking at a newer ST and to remap it, or get a Megane 265 and do the same. The Audi TTS would be the ideal car in this situation. I really have to drive the others to feel what the power delivery is like, but I really do love that 'pushing you to the back of the seat' feeling.
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 19:15
In terms of the subject 3 cars, none of them will give you that aggressive shove like a turbo does, but the power's a lot more useable - i.e. you can amble along at half throttle and make reasonable progress, then turn the wick up if you want more. It took me a while to get used to the lack of turbo lag when I sold my Subaru, and very much welcomed it back when I bought my Evo later. If that's the kind of thing you're after, then I haven't had more fun getting thumped around by a turbo than in one of those two. Unfortunately I've never owned an ST or a Megane - I did have a V6 TT but I didn't really like that - but having passengered in an ST, the turbo lag from the Japanese cars is definitely more aggressive.
sebhaque said:
The N/A cars still have plenty of torque to offer, but what you're probably used to in a turbo is it all arriving in a big lump. Have you considered cars like the Impreza or Evo? Again, having had both, the Impreza STi would be top of the pile for me. Your budget puts you in a good selection of well-cared for examples of the rally-esque cars.
In terms of the subject 3 cars, none of them will give you that aggressive shove like a turbo does, but the power's a lot more useable - i.e. you can amble along at half throttle and make reasonable progress, then turn the wick up if you want more. It took me a while to get used to the lack of turbo lag when I sold my Subaru, and very much welcomed it back when I bought my Evo later. If that's the kind of thing you're after, then I haven't had more fun getting thumped around by a turbo than in one of those two. Unfortunately I've never owned an ST or a Megane - I did have a V6 TT but I didn't really like that - but having passengered in an ST, the turbo lag from the Japanese cars is definitely more aggressive.
I don't like the look of the Impreza, but this has caught my eye. In terms of the subject 3 cars, none of them will give you that aggressive shove like a turbo does, but the power's a lot more useable - i.e. you can amble along at half throttle and make reasonable progress, then turn the wick up if you want more. It took me a while to get used to the lack of turbo lag when I sold my Subaru, and very much welcomed it back when I bought my Evo later. If that's the kind of thing you're after, then I haven't had more fun getting thumped around by a turbo than in one of those two. Unfortunately I've never owned an ST or a Megane - I did have a V6 TT but I didn't really like that - but having passengered in an ST, the turbo lag from the Japanese cars is definitely more aggressive.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-10-MITSUBISHI-EVO-X...
But I'm not 100% sure I like it more than the TTS, which would be top of my list for a car with a turbo. What do you think?
A 370Z has 340 odd bhp and RWD put one side to side, from a standstill with pretty much any Focus ST or RS and see which accelerates fastest....
a properly tuned MK2 RS might match it to 100 but there wouldnt be much in it, the Focus will seem more dramatic as its all about trying to get traction and big gobs of torque, its the top of the FWD hot hatch division where the 370Z is a division higher but not at the top of it, a hatchback made to go fast, versus a purpose built sports gt.
a properly tuned MK2 RS might match it to 100 but there wouldnt be much in it, the Focus will seem more dramatic as its all about trying to get traction and big gobs of torque, its the top of the FWD hot hatch division where the 370Z is a division higher but not at the top of it, a hatchback made to go fast, versus a purpose built sports gt.
PhilUK said:
I don't like the look of the Impreza, but this has caught my eye.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-10-MITSUBISHI-EVO-X...
But I'm not 100% sure I like it more than the TTS, which would be top of my list for a car with a turbo. What do you think?
Purely subjective buddy as I'm not a big fan of the TTs, nothing wrong with them but personally I prefer the Jap stuff. The Evo will probably be cheaper to maintain than the TTS, and I'd imagine the 60bhp/60lbft of torque extra in the Evo will give you an even better shove in your seat. Practicaility notwithstanding, you also see fewer Evos on the road than you do TTs, so there's a bit of a rarity factor. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-10-MITSUBISHI-EVO-X...
But I'm not 100% sure I like it more than the TTS, which would be top of my list for a car with a turbo. What do you think?
In fairness, I could go on for paragraphs about how I prefer the Evo to a TTS, but this is your car so it's down to what you want. Your head's given you the budget - your heart seems to be set on a TTS if it's a turbo you want. You'd have to double-check with a TTS owner, but I think the turbo's quite quiet on a TTS, whereas the Evo's turbo makes a couple of lovely sounds.
A little test I did before I bought a car (think it was the 911) was to write down the things I really wanted from a car on a bit of paper - I had performance, sound, engine size, aspiration etc all written down. I then looked at my budget and listed the car I most wanted in that category (e.g. for performance I had M6, for sound I had 911, engine size was M6, aspiration was an Impreza). I then prioritised each category - so I preferred a better sounding car than a quicker one. The long and short of it was that the 911 came out on top at the time, so I bought one. Funnily enough I replaced it after a few years with an M6, which was a close second position when I made my decision.
sebhaque said:
Purely subjective buddy as I'm not a big fan of the TTs, nothing wrong with them but personally I prefer the Jap stuff. The Evo will probably be cheaper to maintain than the TTS, and I'd imagine the 60bhp/60lbft of torque extra in the Evo will give you an even better shove in your seat. Practicaility notwithstanding, you also see fewer Evos on the road than you do TTs, so there's a bit of a rarity factor.
In fairness, I could go on for paragraphs about how I prefer the Evo to a TTS, but this is your car so it's down to what you want. Your head's given you the budget - your heart seems to be set on a TTS if it's a turbo you want. You'd have to double-check with a TTS owner, but I think the turbo's quite quiet on a TTS, whereas the Evo's turbo makes a couple of lovely sounds.
A little test I did before I bought a car (think it was the 911) was to write down the things I really wanted from a car on a bit of paper - I had performance, sound, engine size, aspiration etc all written down. I then looked at my budget and listed the car I most wanted in that category (e.g. for performance I had M6, for sound I had 911, engine size was M6, aspiration was an Impreza). I then prioritised each category - so I preferred a better sounding car than a quicker one. The long and short of it was that the 911 came out on top at the time, so I bought one. Funnily enough I replaced it after a few years with an M6, which was a close second position when I made my decision.
Well, the Evo is another option, so thank you for that. Again, I think it's a little bit loud for my liking, or maybe loud in the wrong way for my tastes. The spoiler, the hood etc. I'm not sure I'd feel entirely comfortable in it and picking up people who would also find it a little loud. It's a complex issue. What is obviously a great car just doesn't look the part!In fairness, I could go on for paragraphs about how I prefer the Evo to a TTS, but this is your car so it's down to what you want. Your head's given you the budget - your heart seems to be set on a TTS if it's a turbo you want. You'd have to double-check with a TTS owner, but I think the turbo's quite quiet on a TTS, whereas the Evo's turbo makes a couple of lovely sounds.
A little test I did before I bought a car (think it was the 911) was to write down the things I really wanted from a car on a bit of paper - I had performance, sound, engine size, aspiration etc all written down. I then looked at my budget and listed the car I most wanted in that category (e.g. for performance I had M6, for sound I had 911, engine size was M6, aspiration was an Impreza). I then prioritised each category - so I preferred a better sounding car than a quicker one. The long and short of it was that the 911 came out on top at the time, so I bought one. Funnily enough I replaced it after a few years with an M6, which was a close second position when I made my decision.
I could always get an exhaust to compensate for a quiet turbo!
I have no idea what to get. I'm kinda torn between turbo and NA, the TTS vs the 370Z/Cayman. As said before, a good dilemma to have!
w1ntermut3 said:
I still think I'd find an m6 persuasive in this bracket, even if it is a heavy ass gt cruiser.
Bit out of my budget, and the only ones that are in budget are 2006, higher mileage. Unless you have something to show me. The insurance is a bit high really.Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 21:35
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 21:36
Z4M Coupe is definitely the investor's choice.
You need to get the chip off your shoulder re the Cayman, none of the 911 owners I've been around have referred to it as a poor man's Porsche, and Porsche owners don't all wear expensive clothes either.
A 370Z might be a newer car but it will depreciate like a brick.
Out of those you've listed the Z4MC gets my vote, main reason being it looks awesome (especially on CSL wheels)! The Cayman might be the most balanced and driver focused car but the non-bore score 2.7 might feel a little underpowered.
You need to get the chip off your shoulder re the Cayman, none of the 911 owners I've been around have referred to it as a poor man's Porsche, and Porsche owners don't all wear expensive clothes either.
A 370Z might be a newer car but it will depreciate like a brick.
Out of those you've listed the Z4MC gets my vote, main reason being it looks awesome (especially on CSL wheels)! The Cayman might be the most balanced and driver focused car but the non-bore score 2.7 might feel a little underpowered.
Shaoxter said:
Z4M Coupe is definitely the investor's choice.
You need to get the chip off your shoulder re the Cayman, none of the 911 owners I've been around have referred to it as a poor man's Porsche, and Porsche owners don't all wear expensive clothes either.
A 370Z might be a newer car but it will depreciate like a brick.
Out of those you've listed the Z4MC gets my vote, main reason being it looks awesome (especially on CSL wheels)! The Cayman might be the most balanced and driver focused car but the non-bore score 2.7 might feel a little underpowered.
The Boxster, you mean. I have a friend with a 911 who called it that just the other day, he called the Cayman the best in the range. No chip on my shoulder, I'd just rather not deal with other peoples ignorance and have to defend it all the time, I'm aware it's meant to be an awesome car and it is under consideration. And the 'expensive clothes' thing was a joke. I'll go down there in jeans, a t-shirt and some old vans, cool? You need to get the chip off your shoulder re the Cayman, none of the 911 owners I've been around have referred to it as a poor man's Porsche, and Porsche owners don't all wear expensive clothes either.
A 370Z might be a newer car but it will depreciate like a brick.
Out of those you've listed the Z4MC gets my vote, main reason being it looks awesome (especially on CSL wheels)! The Cayman might be the most balanced and driver focused car but the non-bore score 2.7 might feel a little underpowered.
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 21:45
Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 21:48
PhilUK said:
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That's understandable, I appreciate an Evo may not be the best choice of car for certain circumstances. Well if it's turbo vs NA, and you've had a turbo, why not go for an NA and experience something a bit different? Surely as petrolheads we all like to sample as much exotica as we can, and in nice dilemmas like this it's worth exploring the option you haven't had a taste of yet! You've got the bike(s) for balls out fun, but you've also got the car that, ok, won't pin you against your seat, but will still deliver great drives out in a different manner. It's a fillet steak vs an exquisite curry.
The M6 is a fantastic car, and I loved owning mine, but they single-handedly personify how running costs don't change regardless of depreciation. Single figure mpgs around town, £4600 service bills, relative fragility - I experienced it all with my M6, and I sold it because I didn't think I was getting my money's worth out of it. For me at least, it was difficult to enjoy the merits of the car here in the UK. It didn't really suit B-road hooning or track days, and exercising it on straight roads was a bit academic since you'd be well past the NSL by the end of third, with four gears left to go. The M6 makes great sense in Germany or in the US, where there's plenty of long straight roads, but it was difficult to find places around Bristol/London in which to really take the car for a shakedown.
WRT the Boxster/Cayman/911 snobbery, as an (ex)911 owner I never saw a problem with the 2-seaters at all. They were bought for different purposes, and it's silly to compare the two. I actually quite like the Boxster and fancy one for myself in the short term.
I'm not sure the 370Z will depreciate an awful lot - while I suppose it's due for a replacement this year (the 350Z lasted 7 years, the 370Z was launched in 2009), I haven't seen much to suggest it's on the way out. Also, where do Nissan go from here? I can't see them doing a 390Z with a NA 3.9L engine, in today's day and age I'd assume it'd have to be downsized and with FI. While Phil may appreciate that (
) it's also going to stem depreciation for the "last of the NA Z-cars", particularly if the new Nissan is well-priced, well-advertised and sells well. PhilUK said:
The Audi TTS would be the ideal car in this situation.
I ran a TTS and a Z4M at the same time for a bit and I did prefer the TTS as a daily but the Z4M had more depth and character to its engine, but I did like the TTS's usable punch at low revs. Edited by PhilUK on Wednesday 24th February 19:15
I have a 370z, and I love it. I had a similar dilemma when I got mine, but my choices were really between an M3 or the Porsche. The reason I went with the Z is the novelty factor and rarity, you just don't see them about so they stand out that little bit more. With the BMW, not to stereotype but they all look the same, same interior, similar shape and you see millions about. Maybe the z4m is rare but the similarities with the rest of the BMW line are there, whereas the 370Z is its own beast altogether, unique interior, shape, dials, the lot.....and that assssssssssssss I want to spank it....
It might not be the pro race drivers car of choice stock round a track, but more pro/semi race drivers have told me that they would prefer the 370z as a personal car for the fun factor. I find it easy to drive, low down power is great, handling is good. It is loud inside the car no lie, and I have an aftermarket exhaust on mine which makes it a little louder, but I like that not sure if you would. Build quality is really good for a Nissan if you get the leather option, feels solid and premium. Not sure how tall you are, I am 6ft and it is just a little bit shorter than I would like, but i can attempt to heal and toe well (even though there is the rev sync button which is brilliant).
I went to Carlisle to buy mine and had to drive it back down to South London. On the way i saw loads of M3's, 3series with Mtec kits that look like M3's, S4's that looked liked RS4's a few Ferrari's loads of convertibles but not 1 370z or 350z.
It might not be the pro race drivers car of choice stock round a track, but more pro/semi race drivers have told me that they would prefer the 370z as a personal car for the fun factor. I find it easy to drive, low down power is great, handling is good. It is loud inside the car no lie, and I have an aftermarket exhaust on mine which makes it a little louder, but I like that not sure if you would. Build quality is really good for a Nissan if you get the leather option, feels solid and premium. Not sure how tall you are, I am 6ft and it is just a little bit shorter than I would like, but i can attempt to heal and toe well (even though there is the rev sync button which is brilliant).
I went to Carlisle to buy mine and had to drive it back down to South London. On the way i saw loads of M3's, 3series with Mtec kits that look like M3's, S4's that looked liked RS4's a few Ferrari's loads of convertibles but not 1 370z or 350z
. Edited by boombastictiger on Thursday 25th February 11:36
boombastictiger said:
I went to Carlisle to buy mine and had to drive it back down to South London. On the way i saw loads of M3's, 3series with Mtec kits that look like M3's, S4's that looked liked RS4's a few Ferrari's loads of convertibles but not 1 370z or 350z .
Quite possibly, but I doubt you saw many (if any) Z4Ms either, and that is one of the three options in the OP's thread!. Edited by boombastictiger on Thursday 25th February 11:36
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