So many Golf Rs, such poor spec

[MuscleSaloon]

chrisb92 said:

Jonno02 said:

I don't understand the whole "The R has no heritage, so I pay nearly as much for a 70hp less GTI because pestige." The golf R is better. It is. It doesn't matter than the GTI has history, or that's it's a pure-breed etc. The golf R is better than the GTI.

And I have a cupra 290 black, so this isn't an AWD compared to FWD argument. The cupra has no heritage, but it will leave a GTI for dead. That's all that matters with a car like this. If you want heritage, buy an old GTI, the new ones are devoid of any of the features of the 'heritage' owners drone on about. It reeks of "I don't have an R, so I'm going to justify myself constantly why I didn't WANT one." It's as bad as the shed owners that drive about in a 2002 leaky car because "New cars have no personality and I hate them."

The GTI is a great car. It's lovely. But it's a step down from the R. At one point the GTI had no heritage. It smells a lot of people just wanting to go against the grain because the R was so astronomically popular with the lease deals. I would have either another cupra, gti, gtd or an R, they're all great; but some more than others.

Edited by Jonno02 on Tuesday 18th April 10:24

Utter bks. I just got rid of a MK6 Gti and I prefer it to my friends MK6 Golf R. His R was DSG, mine GTi was manual. The Gti was much more fun and felt a lot lighter.

I'd take a GTi clubsport over the R any day of the week and would also prefer a GTi PP over an R. If i wanted the 300 bhp and 4wd I'd by an S3. I'd also take any form of GTi over a Seat Leon.

This thread relates to the 7R though. A markedly better car than the 6R.

Mk7 GTi is a fine car in its own right, but its an irrelevant car to most R buyers. They won't look at one. 300bhp and 4-Motion alone set the R apart. Get out of an R in to a GTi and it feels distinctly front wheel driven. Tartan seats ? - no thanks.

I would hazard a guess that many R owners aren't particularly interested in either Volkswagens or Golfs. It just happens to be the finest thing available at its price point. And the sharp lease / PCP deals have pushed it on even further.

[PixelpeepS3]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Poverty spec has lost it's meaning. It used to be hubcaps and no head rests. Nowadays if your car can't park itself or order a Chinese meal on your behalf it's called the same. Have a fking word with yourselves!

[AJB88]

MuscleSaloon said:

I would hazard a guess that many R owners aren't particularly interested in either Volkswagens or Golfs. It just happens to be the finest thing available at its price point. And the sharp lease / PCP deals have pushed it on even further.

Very true, most R "owners" I have spoken to, apart from them at VW shows don't know a single thing about the engine etc, they just know it is 4WD and has 300bhp.

One of the senior managers at work has one, he previously owned a MK5 GTI and I hazard a guess a few MK4,MK3 and MK2 GTI's he loves his R power wise but prefered the GTI looks wise.

[HJMS123]

PixelpeepS3 said:

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

Poverty spec has lost it's meaning. It used to be hubcaps and no head rests. Nowadays if your car can't park itself or order a Chinese meal on your behalf it's called the same. Have a fking word with yourselves!

I don't know how all of these tramps/chavs cope with their radar guided adaptive cruise and led headlights .... peasants!!

[seadragon]

Everyone has their favourites and there is no changing their minds and that’s fair enough. There are mk6 owners, who swear they are better than any other version and also because they aren’t as ‘common’ as the mk7. I didn’t really have the mk6 on my radar anyway since I was looking for a new car and I love my mk7 estate. I have seen a few 7.5’s and I have to say I don’t like the looks at all, but of course many will disagree with me and they will be mostly 7.5 owners or those looking to buy one.

I had some guy in a 2017 GTI (non-Clubsport) thrash past me on the weekend. I could see him coming a mile off and I guess when he saw me he figured he would try it. TBH I wasn’t in the mood to race some guy driving like a total tool and he and I both know who has the faster car anyway.

The looks of the mk7 is a bit more raw than the 7.5 and it also looks too blingy and shiny for me, so I will wait and see what the mk8 is like. I am starting to mod my car a bit as I now plan to keep it a long time. Maybe this time I will finally keep a car for more than 18 months. The Golf for some doesn’t stand out but for me it’s perfect. It’s functional and not too fiddly. It has a great engine, good build quality, understated looks etc.

When my new Remus exhaust system gets fitted, my new intercooler, air intake kit, remap, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres etc, then I will be in heaven and for me that’s perfect and lets me be a bit individual with the car. Except for the new rounded exhaust tips, where all 4 work, the car will look totally standard, I am not trying to show off to anyone.

[okgo]

aka_kerrly said:

What on earth is poverty spec!?! These Golfs have more than enough gadgets/electric gimmicks and lazy features.

What are all these essential features that people expect?

There's simply no pleasing some.

Vs what they COULD have specced. Because they're all cheapo lease deals.

[ZX10R NIN]

HJMS123 said:

I don't know how all of these tramps/chavs cope with their radar guided adaptive cruise and led headlights .... peasants!!

That's the point these poverty spec ones don't have the radar etc & they actually have to concentrate & drive the bloody thing

[born2bslow]

ZX10R NIN said:

That's the point these poverty spec ones don't have the radar etc & they actually have to concentrate & drive the bloody thing

I'm confused, I have adaptive cruise and the trick headlights on my boggo lease spec R...I didn't spec any options so presumed they were standard on the R!...or have i misunderstood your post?

[PixelpeepS3]

ZX10R NIN said:

HJMS123 said:

I don't know how all of these tramps/chavs cope with their radar guided adaptive cruise and led headlights .... peasants!!

That's the point these poverty spec ones don't have the radar etc & they actually have to concentrate & drive the bloody thing

yes they do.

[Jonno02]

chrisb92 said:

Utter bks. I just got rid of a MK6 Gti and I prefer it to my friends MK6 Golf R. His R was DSG, mine GTi was manual. The Gti was much more fun and felt a lot lighter.

I'd take a GTi clubsport over the R any day of the week and would also prefer a GTi PP over an R. If i wanted the 300 bhp and 4wd I'd by an S3. I'd also take any form of GTi over a Seat Leon.

Perhaps that's because it IS lighter. That's good, pay more for the badge and less spec...and 90% the same parts.

chrisb92 said:

I've not driven either, so I'm interested as to why you say that? There's a few reasons I'd chose the S3 without driving.

3. No touch screen. I absolutely hated that on my GTi and love he dial on my A3.

99% of people that have driven both, myself included, prefer the golf. The S3 feels ...numb.

No touch screen in a GTI? That's pathetic. My mid spec 2012 leon FR had a touch screen. Bet the GTI cost more too.

[spookly]

born2bslow said:

ZX10R NIN said:

That's the point these poverty spec ones don't have the radar etc & they actually have to concentrate & drive the bloody thing

I'm confused, I have adaptive cruise and the trick headlights on my boggo lease spec R...I didn't spec any options so presumed they were standard on the R!...or have i misunderstood your post?

Spec changed part way through 2016 IIRC.

[PixelpeepS3]

spookly said:

born2bslow said:

ZX10R NIN said:

That's the point these poverty spec ones don't have the radar etc & they actually have to concentrate & drive the bloody thing

I'm confused, I have adaptive cruise and the trick headlights on my boggo lease spec R...I didn't spec any options so presumed they were standard on the R!...or have i misunderstood your post?

Spec changed part way through 2016 IIRC.

2014 onwards the R had Radar cruise, HID headlights and LED DRL's as standard.

from what i recall EVERY mark7 golf from entry level up had radar cruise as it incorporated emergency city braking which reduced the insurance group quite dramatically.

[chrisb92]

Jonno02 said:

chrisb92 said:

Utter bks. I just got rid of a MK6 Gti and I prefer it to my friends MK6 Golf R. His R was DSG, mine GTi was manual. The Gti was much more fun and felt a lot lighter.

I'd take a GTi clubsport over the R any day of the week and would also prefer a GTi PP over an R. If i wanted the 300 bhp and 4wd I'd by an S3. I'd also take any form of GTi over a Seat Leon.

Perhaps that's because it IS lighter. That's good, pay more for the badge and less spec...and 90% the same parts.

chrisb92 said:

I've not driven either, so I'm interested as to why you say that? There's a few reasons I'd chose the S3 without driving.

3. No touch screen. I absolutely hated that on my GTi and love he dial on my A3.

99% of people that have driven both, myself included, prefer the golf. The S3 feels ...numb.

No touch screen in a GTI? That's pathetic. My mid spec 2012 leon FR had a touch screen. Bet the GTI cost more too.

I said my Golf did have a touch screen and that I hated it. Can you not read? And that I prefer the dial in my A3.

I know the GTi was lighter. I thought that was obvious.

In what way did my Golf have less spec than your SEAT given you have no idea what spec I had. What engine is in those anyway? I following a seat leon fr and it was slower my diesel!!

[AJB88]

chrisb92 said:

I said my Golf did have a touch screen and that I hated it. Can you not read? And that I prefer the dial in my A3.

I know the GTi was lighter. I thought that was obvious.

In what way did my Golf have less spec than your SEAT given you have no idea what spec I had. What engine is in those anyway? I following a seat leon fr and it was slower my diesel!!

Depending what Leon FR it was , could of been a 1.8 TSI or 2.0 TDI.

[chrisb92]

AJB88 said:

Depending what Leon FR it was , could of been a 1.4 TSI or 2.0 TDI.

I think it was the newest shape. Not at all up to scratch on Leons. Is FR just Seats version of 's line' or 'm power'?

It was brisk. Roughly the same speed as my A3 (which isn't that quick).

[AJB88]

chrisb92 said:

I think it was the newest shape. Not at all up to scratch on Leons. Is FR just Seats version of 's line' or 'm power'?

It was brisk. Roughly the same speed as my A3 (which isn't that quick).

FR used to be GTI, where as Cupra/ Cupra R was the same as R/S3 minus the 4wd.

FR these days is more like a trim level though.

[Jonno02]

chrisb92 said:

I said my Golf did have a touch screen and that I hated it. Can you not read? And that I prefer the dial in my A3.

I know the GTi was lighter. I thought that was obvious.

In what way did my Golf have less spec than your SEAT given you have no idea what spec I had. What engine is in those anyway? I following a seat leon fr and it was slower my diesel!!

The way you type is difficult, at best, to read. Especially with your lack of punctuation. "No touch screen," to me, read as "It doesn't have a touch screen." Your wrote "There's a few reasons I'd chose the S3 without driving," this should have been followed by a colon or semi-colon to show you're explaining why you want an S3. A full stop makes it a completely new sentence, not necessarily related to that before it.

I had a 184 hp in that 2.0 diesel FR+ trim. FR's can be petrol or diesel. I now have around 311bhp in the cupra, which is the same engine and map as the golf R, with one of the best slip diff's I've experienced. But of course, that won't matter because you're obviously blinded that no other car bar the GTI; R included, is anything. That may be due to the fact that you actively admitted not having driven an R. But what do I know. I've only driven both of them. And I would have both of them at the right price, but I wouldn't pay near for the GTI what I would for the R.

ETA: FR on the mk3 leon is just a trim level. It's not a power band now. Silly route to go down, giving its meaning, if you ask me.

[chrisb92]

Jonno02 said:

The way you type is difficult, at best, to read. Especially with your lack of punctuation. "No touch screen," to me, read as "It doesn't have a touch screen." Your wrote "There's a few reasons I'd chose the S3 without driving," this should have been followed by a colon or semi-colon to show you're explaining why you want an S3. A full stop makes it a completely new sentence, not necessarily related to that before it.

I had a 184 hp in that 2.0 diesel FR+ trim. FR's can be petrol or diesel. I now have around 311bhp in the cupra, which is the same engine and map as the golf R, with one of the best slip diff's I've experienced. But of course, that won't matter because you're obviously blinded that no other car bar the GTI; R included, is anything. That may be due to the fact that you actively admitted not having driven an R. But what do I know. I've only driven both of them. And I would have both of them at the right price, but I wouldn't pay near for the GTI what I would for the R.

ETA: FR on the mk3 leon is just a trim level. It's not a power band now. Silly route to go down, giving its meaning, if you ask me.

I reply quickly on PH when at work, so apologies if my written english isn't up to scratch.

Your Cupra sounds the bks. Down with those losers who bought a Golf GTi because that's the car they wanted.

My A3 has 184bhp... that'll explain why it wasn't pulling away. Cheers.

[coljoh148]

Boggo standard lease R costs me 189 quid a month.

Adding the crap nav unit adds about 70 quid a month to that.

Friend of a friend bought theirs with some options at the time when the cheap lease deals were on. Cost 34k and 2 years on its worth 14k less.

Who's the mug 😗

[AGK]

coljoh148 said:

Boggo standard lease R costs me 189 quid a month.

Adding the crap nav unit adds about 70 quid a month to that.

Friend of a friend bought theirs with some options at the time when the cheap lease deals were on. Cost 34k and 2 years on its worth 14k less.

Who's the mug ??

Only poor people finance cars IIRC

I had a mate who spec'd up his R to circa 37k. Leather, reverse cam etc. Traded it in 2 years later for 18k.

Nineteen grand loss! Almost £800 a month vs lease deals at a 1/4 of that. And he had to pay for tax too .