Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
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I thought the official line was only an idiot would have believed that to be true.
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Disco Infiltrator said:
I thought the official line was only an idiot would have believed that to be true.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-bori...
Oh many - even here on PH - believed it to be true when it was first emblazoned on that infamous bus. Only of late are some Brexiteers attempting to distance themselves from it now that they are truly awakened to the truth. They will continue to be awakened on many other things too until the folly that is Brexit is finally realised as such. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/exclusive-bori...
Thing is, in his devious bid for Power, Boris is no friend of the UK and knows that he spectacularly deceived a huge number of people before and his arrogance is such that he believes that while some will now call that NHS promise 'a little white lie but no bother and that they never really believed it' in an attempt to not look silly themselves, others will continue to believe it. He is confident he is smarter than most. That his lies will continue to be lapped up and bought.
If they are, as he must believe, then his gamble for Power may pay off. Of course, even for him, it is a desperate gamble which highlights his own thoughts about his real chances of becoming PM in the future without such a risk.
Edited by Coolbanana on Sunday 17th September 10:36
Derek Smith said:
The £350m was defended on these forums for a while.
This is nothing to do with brexit. It is a bid to replace May or perhaps just undermine her.
Unless she sacks him she is a puppet PM This is nothing to do with brexit. It is a bid to replace May or perhaps just undermine her.
Got to give it to Boris for the billy big balls move. He has a lot of support and evidently did a great job running London.
hairyben said:
Out of interest, and aside from partisan religious wars:
Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
Yes there is a big reason that it couldn't. It doesn't exist; it is a fantasy dreamed up by people who knew how to mislead the gullible.Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
Not only does it not take into account the rebate or money the UK got back from the EU in subsidies etc (and whilst I accept that those subsidies were given by the EU and the UK could theoretically redistribute them I cannot see, for example, money going into farm subsidies being redirected into the NHS), it also doesn't take into account matters that the EU paid for in the past that the UK will have to pay for in future.
I have been curious for some time, for example, how all these new trade negotiators that the UK didn't need as part of the EU but will need in the future, are going to be paid without their salaries coming out of this mythical £350m. Unless they're happy to be paid in straight bananas that we won't have any more in the future. There's bound to be a surplus of those.
Take back control...
hairyben said:
Out of interest, and aside from partisan religious wars:
Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
It couldn't because we don't send £350 million a week to the EU.Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
£350 million is the figure pre-rebate which we never 'send' to the EU.
Circa £250 million is 'sent' to the EU, this is the amount the NHS could get if the gross amount of money we send to the EU is given to the NHS.
However this assumes you cut off all of the funding to the other areas that currently receive funding from the EU in the UK (development projects, research etc) which would not be a popular move.
After that funding is removed you're left with £136 million a week or so.
Tl:Dr
£350 million is a lie-we never send that amount.
£250 million assumes you take every penny we send and put it into the NHS.
£136 million is the figure if you count what we send and don't get back.
cookie118 said:
hairyben said:
Out of interest, and aside from partisan religious wars:
Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
It couldn't because we don't send £350 million a week to the EU.Has he ever said 350m>nhs WILL happen under him or the conservatives, or was it more of "this is what we could do"
Is there any reason why it couldn't?
£350 million is the figure pre-rebate which we never 'send' to the EU.
Circa £250 million is 'sent' to the EU, this is the amount the NHS could get if the gross amount of money we send to the EU is given to the NHS.
However this assumes you cut off all of the funding to the other areas that currently receive funding from the EU in the UK (development projects, research etc) which would not be a popular move.
After that funding is removed you're left with £136 million a week or so.
Tl:Dr
£350 million is a lie-we never send that amount.
£250 million assumes you take every penny we send and put it into the NHS.
£136 million is the figure if you count what we send and don't get back.
As an example the years between 2000 and 2005 saw a greater increase than that.
So it is entirely feasible to spend 350 million more a year on the NHS by the time a transition period has ended. All Johnson is doing is tying this to Brexit.
JagLover said:
All true enough, but nothing is as certain as Healthcare costs inflation and in a plausible 5 year time scale you could easily find yourself spending the £18bn a year required on the NHS.
As an example the years between 2000 and 2005 saw a greater increase than that.
So it is entirely feasible to spend 350 million more a year on the NHS by the time a transition period has ended. All Johnson is doing is tying this to Brexit.
You could spend that much more on the NHS.As an example the years between 2000 and 2005 saw a greater increase than that.
So it is entirely feasible to spend 350 million more a year on the NHS by the time a transition period has ended. All Johnson is doing is tying this to Brexit.
But you cannot spend £350 million per week because we currently send it to the EU. It can't be the source of the money which the infamous bus stated and Johnson is now stating or intimating.
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
But this is thread about Boris making stuff up as he goes along.Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Disco Infiltrator said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
But this is thread about Boris making stuff up as he goes along.Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK
No one-absolutely no one-has ever said that the UK receives more back from the EU than it puts in.Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK
Edit
Net benefit of being part of the EU can be debated but no on says we are a net receiver in cash terms.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 17th September 11:41
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Have you ever considered how much we give in International Aid every year? Its well over £10Bn+/year. Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Moaning about funding the EU is really no different.
It is similar in some ways to moaning about giving money to charity.
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