Cayenne Diesel

[Cpt Stirling]

I'm considering a used one (>14MY) to replace an ageing L322 Vogue SE mainly to achieve better reliability. I'm flip flopping about whether this is a wise move; diesel cars being out of favour and a facelift model due next year but the choice on the Porsche approved website is pretty thin. Anyone know why this? I'm reluctant to look outside of the dealer network for warranty reasons - am I being over cautious?

[Cheib]

Cpt Stirling said:

I'm considering a used one (>14MY) to replace an ageing L322 Vogue SE mainly to achieve better reliability. I'm flip flopping about whether this is a wise move; diesel cars being out of favour and a facelift model due next year but the choice on the Porsche approved website is pretty thin. Anyone know why this? I'm reluctant to look outside of the dealer network for warranty reasons - am I being over cautious?

You can get a car that is out of the OPC network warrantied. If you see cars from another trade seller ask them to get a full Porsche warranty on it. Costs circa £1000 so I'd include that in negotiations.

Re diesel I don't know if this model/age is Euro 6 compliant...that's something to think about as non E6 cars are the ones that you won't be able to drive in an urban area without it costing you an arm and a leg at some stage in the future.

[Cpt Stirling]

Thanks Cheib, never thought of doing it that way. It seems post 14 facelift ones are euro 6 with ad blue, not that I do any city driving. I was genuinely surprised how few are available used through the network and wondered whether dieselgate had anything to do with it.

[Cheib]

Cpt Stirling said:

Thanks Cheib, never thought of doing it that way. It seems post 14 facelift ones are euro 6 with ad blue, not that I do any city driving. I was genuinely surprised how few are available used through the network and wondered whether dieselgate had anything to do with it.

There are delivery problems on that engine at the moment...none of the new ones in the current shape which are still being manufactured are coming through. There's a thread about it somewhere. Apparently it's something to do with the German authorities stopping production of cars with that engine.

They're cracking cars by the way...I bought one (bigger engine) earlier this year. Spec is all important...with a few must have's IMHO.

[pete]

I'd agree with the "cracking car" sentiment. I have one of the last of the '14 model year diesels, so the Euro 5 engine, but it has a pretty generous spec and has been a lovely family motor over the past 25,000 miles. It's quick enough when you need it to be, and yet still does 40mpg on long journeys (Spa Francorchamps and back on one tank!) and mid 30s around town. With the air suspension it still handles ok even if you load it to the gunwales.

Even the pre-facelift cars still sell like hotcakes according to my OPC (bet they won't say that when I trade it in, mind!), so I suspect you're just seeing that effect exacerbated by the fact that you can't buy a brand new 6 cylinder diesel. All the nearly new ones will have been snapped up by people who might otherwise have bought new.

[Cpt Stirling]

That makes sense chaps, ta. Air is a must for me, unfortunately most appear not to have it. I'd like to try out the v8D but I know what will happen!!

[Koln-RS]

Cheib said:

You can get a car that is out of the OPC network warrantied. If you see cars from another trade seller ask them to get a full Porsche Warranty on it. Costs circa £1000 so I'd include that in negotiations.

I think the later Diesels have a very good reliability record, but definitely worth having the official warranty, which is very thorough.

However, you can't add the Warranty until you have owned the car for at least 3 months (they use the V5 for evidence) and it has to pass a 111 point inspection - best carried out at the same time as a service to avoid the £250 fee. So, if buying outside the network, you'd need a worthwhile saving.

[Cheib]

Cpt Stirling said:

That makes sense chaps, ta. Air is a must for me, unfortunately most appear not to have it. I'd like to try out the v8D but I know what will happen!!

I drove both and the steel springs with PASM are very good....if anything it's probably a slightly better drive. A bit less "floaty" which is what my OPC told me. I did however go for air as being able to lower the car is very useful when we go on ski holidays...parking is underground and with a roofbox access can be very tight.

PASM is an absolute MUST! No PASM is a disaster.

[Herdwick]

Having bought a Cayenne to replace our Audi A6, we also had one of the last 'Old model' Range Rovers.
After 3 months, we sold the RR and I claimed the cayenne to replace my RR.

Do not miss the air suspension at all, MUCH better to drive especially with PASM, performance is about the same as the 4.4V8D RR (Ours is the 3.0D), but economy is averaging 36mpg instead of 29mpg.

The RR averaged a visit to the dealer every 3 months over the 4 years we had it, the Cayenne has been in for one service. (Every 20k miles against the RR of every 12 months).

No regrets at all, just as comfortable to the S of France, tows the horse trailer just as well. Maybe not as good across a ploughed field, but never tried in 24 years of RR ownership, so unlikely to be a problem for me.!

[Relic]

I'm on my third Diesel S. If you want a few laughs you have to test one. 850nm of torque is hilarious and the engines just seem to get better with age. Now there is a new model coming I'm sure you could get a deal. Many of them are extremely well equipped.

Be warned though once you test it you will want one! The engine is just brilliant.

[Cpt Stirling]

That is exactly my fear! The V8D is too tempting!

Good to hear they are comfy on a run. With all the comments about sportier handling etc I wasn't sure - I really want a relaxing motorway drive (regularly go up to the Highlands from the South). I'm not sure I'll get the waft factor of the Rangie but all your comments are encouraging, thanks all.

[Herdwick]

Was very tempted for the V8D, but an extra £10k just for the engine, (purchased new) was too much for me as wifes daily car.

[Fokker]

Cheib said:

Cpt Stirling said:

Thanks Cheib, never thought of doing it that way. It seems post 14 facelift ones are euro 6 with ad blue, not that I do any city driving. I was genuinely surprised how few are available used through the network and wondered whether dieselgate had anything to do with it.

There are delivery problems on that engine at the moment...none of the new ones in the current shape which are still being manufactured are coming through. There's a thread about it somewhere. Apparently it's something to do with the German authorities stopping production of cars with that engine.

They're cracking cars by the way...I bought one (bigger engine) earlier this year. Spec is all important...with a few must have's IMHO.

Just had a look at the used cars via opc and there are 61 3.0 Diesels and 65 4.2 S Diesels for sale. What in short supply?

[Cobnapint]

Cpt Stirling said:

Good to hear they are comfy on a run. With all the comments about sportier handling etc I wasn't sure - I really want a relaxing motorway drive (regularly go up to the Highlands from the South). I'm not sure I'll get the waft factor of the Rangie but all your comments are encouraging, thanks all.

My V6d with air is very comfy on long runs, so don't worry on that front. And you won't feel like you're in a boat when you negotiate a roundabout.

[Cheib]

Cobnapint said:

Cpt Stirling said:

Good to hear they are comfy on a run. With all the comments about sportier handling etc I wasn't sure - I really want a relaxing motorway drive (regularly go up to the Highlands from the South). I'm not sure I'll get the waft factor of the Rangie but all your comments are encouraging, thanks all.

My V6d with air is very comfy on long runs, so don't worry on that front. And you won't feel like you're in a boat when you negotiate a roundabout.

There isn't a better SUV for covering long distances in comfort and then being a decent drive when you get there....ours will be going to The Alps every winter.

[Fokker]

Cheib said:

There isn't a better SUV for covering long distances in comfort and then being a decent drive when you get there....ours will be going to The Alps every winter.

The only family type car I'd consider changing the V8D for would be a RR SVR in blue. Love it but i doubt I'd love the reliability or the fuel consumption.

[cnn]

I have one of the first S Diesel's MY13 and it is a fantastic car for all the reasons already stated.
Mine has PASM and air running on 20 inch wheels, gets 35.5 mpg down the motorways.