Best Lease Car Deals Available? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Zippy-ki8ee said:
Agreed, only very mildly frustrating. The bigger issue, which I would have too, is that my current lease goes back end of September. That would mean either having two cars (not financially doable to insure two cars at the same time with only one eligible NCD - and not covered for long enough by Audi's free 5 days insurance) OR handing back the existing one back early, incurring a charge to do so...
It may need to be registered by end of August but I'm sure they will let you collect and star lease in september when you need toEdited by Zippy-ki8ee on Wednesday 25th April 19:18
2 GKC said:
Toothbrushfence said:
Hi,
Anyone seen any deals on an A5 coupe or something similar? Looking for 15k miles on a 2 or 3 year deal.
Brace yourself, someone will be along to tell you that you must have done some diligence yourself before having the chutzpah to ask the experts on this thread. Anyone seen any deals on an A5 coupe or something similar? Looking for 15k miles on a 2 or 3 year deal.
The point is that this is not a service where people can come and ask 'expert' oracles any question about any car and they'll just channel the force for free to get you the best deal because they have nothing better to do. It's just a thread like any other where people post stuff, and the info can then be searched, and watched as it is posted. Posters come and go (and often get banned), so relying on personal memory and knowledge is probably not going to get you where you need to be. If there are good enough current deals on a specific model then keep an eye out because you'll see a lot of it so you won't miss good things unless you procrastinate and fail to capitalise. Anything post than 3 months old is unlikely to be of much use as deals usually on quarter years. Just plan ahead (6 months or so), hang out in the thread, be flexible about the car (don't cry about specific models, spec or options) and sometimes even the type of car, and you'll get something really good value. You won't get the same level of service from a broker as you get from a dealer, or be able the same minute level of detail choices you can make over what the car is as if you were buying it yourself but get comfortable with that and you'll be fine.
steve184 said:
Econpro1 said:
Unfortunately because wltp comes into effect in September dealers will need to register vehicles beforehand especially if the engine does not comply with regulations otherwise the vehicle can’t be sold. The other possibility and more realistic reason is that the wltp figures mean the car will move up tax brackets thus increasing costs ect. All brands should have advised of this from day 1 as it’s been known for a long time.
I thought wltp was just a different way of measuring emissions/mpg etc to better reflect real world driving - i don’t see how this affects tax or stops them selling the car after sept as tax isn’t based on emissions any more? New tax rules this year means you pay extra tax in year 1 for cars over £40k and then a flat rate thereafter (or something similar?).TomScrut said:
Its that after september cars need to have been tested to WLTP and that because it has been dropped on them at fairly short notice and there only being limited place they can test it manufacturers won't be able to get all car/engine combinations tested in time.
According to this page https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/wltp/timeline.ht... S4 has already been homologated under wltp therefore as I understand no restriction on selling past sept18. Also doesn’t affect tax because tax brackets are based on old nedc measurements until 2020.Methinks they are using wltp to force registrations through earlier (to hit targets maybe) but if is the case find it a bit disingenuous to blame wltp.
steve184 said:
I thought wltp was just a different way of measuring emissions/mpg etc to better reflect real world driving - i don’t see how this affects tax or stops them selling the car after sept as tax isn’t based on emissions any more? New tax rules this year means you pay extra tax in year 1 for cars over £40k and then a flat rate thereafter (or something similar?).
The first year road tax is still based on Co2 emissions and ranges from £0 to £2,070.The following years are based on the fuel type and range from £0 to £140.
The surcharge for vehicles with a list price including options of more than £40,000 lasts for 5 years and is based on the fuel type and ranges from £310 to £450.
steve184 said:
TomScrut said:
Its that after september cars need to have been tested to WLTP and that because it has been dropped on them at fairly short notice and there only being limited place they can test it manufacturers won't be able to get all car/engine combinations tested in time.
According to this page https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/wltp/timeline.ht... S4 has already been homologated under wltp therefore as I understand no restriction on selling past sept18. Also doesn’t affect tax because tax brackets are based on old nedc measurements until 2020.Methinks they are using wltp to force registrations through earlier (to hit targets maybe) but if is the case find it a bit disingenuous to blame wltp. [/quote
Article below explains the issues created by wltp pretty well:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-wl...
Edited by Econpro1 on Thursday 26th April 12:33
steve184 said:
TomScrut said:
Its that after september cars need to have been tested to WLTP and that because it has been dropped on them at fairly short notice and there only being limited place they can test it manufacturers won't be able to get all car/engine combinations tested in time.
According to this page https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/wltp/timeline.ht... S4 has already been homologated under wltp therefore as I understand no restriction on selling past sept18. Also doesn’t affect tax because tax brackets are based on old nedc measurements until 2020.Methinks they are using wltp to force registrations through earlier (to hit targets maybe) but if is the case find it a bit disingenuous to blame wltp.
steve184 said:
According to this page https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/wltp/timeline.ht... S4 has already been homologated under wltp therefore as I understand no restriction on selling past sept18. Also doesn’t affect tax because tax brackets are based on old nedc measurements until 2020.
Methinks they are using wltp to force registrations through earlier (to hit targets maybe) but if is the case find it a bit disingenuous to blame wltp.
Was just signing some finance documents with an Audi dealer today and they said WLTP is now causing build delays because every permutation of options needs to be tested and if there's any chance at all of it being delivered after 31st August they have to reject/delay it as they won't be allowed to sell the car and therefore they're pushing dates back until it's safe.Methinks they are using wltp to force registrations through earlier (to hit targets maybe) but if is the case find it a bit disingenuous to blame wltp.
The performance figures for the same car with 17" and 18" and 19" tyres needs to be done separately, and other options like air con, leather upholstery, sunroofs, etc. etc. When you consider how many combinations and variations there can be it's a lot of testing.
Then to top it off there are supposedly only two official test centres they can use in Europe that ALL manufacturers have to share and you can start to see why they are now really worried about the upcoming September deadline...
xnj said:
Was just signing some finance documents with an Audi dealer today and they said WLTP is now causing build delays because every permutation of options needs to be tested and if there's any chance at all of it being delivered after 31st August they have to reject/delay it as they won't be allowed to sell the car and therefore they're pushing dates back until it's safe.
The performance figures for the same car with 17" and 18" and 19" tyres needs to be done separately, and other options like air con, leather upholstery, sunroofs, etc. etc. When you consider how many combinations and variations there can be it's a lot of testing.
Then to top it off there are supposedly only two official test centres they can use in Europe that ALL manufacturers have to share and you can start to see why they are now really worried about the upcoming September deadline...
I can sort of follow here, but surely they have messed up here leaving it late or there is other measures they could have placed. On S4 for example all wheels are 19” so no variation there, the colour of car solid and metallic also should not make a difference - so there are certain cars that will have the standard figures correct - and therefore be sold after sept. Mine is one such car doubt vc being added will affect emissions etc. Sounds like an almighty cock ip to me? So at what point are they able to start registering cars again after September - this the bit I don’t understand.The performance figures for the same car with 17" and 18" and 19" tyres needs to be done separately, and other options like air con, leather upholstery, sunroofs, etc. etc. When you consider how many combinations and variations there can be it's a lot of testing.
Then to top it off there are supposedly only two official test centres they can use in Europe that ALL manufacturers have to share and you can start to see why they are now really worried about the upcoming September deadline...
steve184 said:
I can sort of follow here, but surely they have messed up here leaving it late or there is other measures they could have placed. On S4 for example all wheels are 19” so no variation there, the colour of car solid and metallic also should not make a difference - so there are certain cars that will have the standard figures correct - and therefore be sold after sept. Mine is one such car doubt vc being added will affect emissions etc. Sounds like an almighty cock ip to me? So at what point are they able to start registering cars again after September - this the bit I don’t understand.
Even if the S4 has few permutations, maybe they're more focussed on getting as many of their "bread and butter" cars through the tests and certified in time so they can still sell plenty of A3's and A4's...Fast Bug said:
WLTP is why MB dropped a load of option choices, getting everything tested would be major ball ache. I think a fair few manufacturers are in the same boat over it
Sounds to me like this is what Audi should have done temporarily to save themselves and customers these headaches.Registering a car on 31st August on 18, when the day after 68 is the ‘current’ plate just seems bizarre but I guess it is just unfortunate it falls that way. Nothing really to stop them using it then as a demo or whatever until ready to be collected then take the mileage from whatever mileage is on the car - my guess is it will be more than delivery mileage. I physically will not be able to pick my car up until end of sept so there will be a registered car there sat around for a month.
Just thought it messes the servicing up too as it means the service will be due a month before it is due to go back meaning extra cost (my intention was to send it back before the service is needed as is common).
Edited by steve184 on Thursday 26th April 13:35
Service is variable any way, so no problem. I committed to stock Audi in July and it sat until end of September and waited for collection. It actually sat in stock since February, at different dealership. Only difference is, it was registered on day of collection. If it's brand with fixed service interval, dealer can re-set it for you no problem.
PenelopaPitstop said:
Service is variable any way, so no problem. I committed to stock Audi in July and it sat until end of September and waited for collection. It actually sat in stock since February, at different dealership. Only difference is, it was registered on day of collection. If it's brand with fixed service interval, dealer can re-set it for you no problem.
It’s variable within the confines of a maximum time limit and mileage limit. The time limit on the variable will be 24 months.Maybe as part of the pdi they set the date of delivery so any service schedule starts from that date but then if car has been sat for a while since manufacture does this not mean the oil has already aged by the period it has been sat about therefore surely wouldn’t last as long in use on a variable regime? I’m not entirely clued up on how this process works tbh.
Edited by steve184 on Thursday 26th April 14:00
Just joined couldn't see an option to post new so replied to topic? regarding the recent S4 saloon deals around 5th March, they were working out around £9200 + over 2 years for a basic car, has anybody been successful in getting the deal approved and an order number/build date from Audi, my broker says that the deal was pulled by VWFS due to a pricing error and they had to tell people who ordered sorry no deal, I am not convinced this is true, I have been following this thread for a few weeks and not seen anybody post that they had a deal pulled and the fee refunded etc
sanstomp said:
Just joined couldn't see an option to post new so replied to topic? regarding the recent S4 saloon deals around 5th March, they were working out around £9200 + over 2 years for a basic car, has anybody been successful in getting the deal approved and an order number/build date from Audi, my broker says that the deal was pulled by VWFS due to a pricing error and they had to tell people who ordered sorry no deal, I am not convinced this is true, I have been following this thread for a few weeks and not seen anybody post that they had a deal pulled and the fee refunded etc
why does it matter... if the broker says he cannot honour the deal then that's your result, as frustrating as it may be... pretty sure he's not going to suddenly change his mind. sanstomp said:
Just joined couldn't see an option to post new so replied to topic? regarding the recent S4 saloon deals around 5th March, they were working out around £9200 + over 2 years for a basic car, has anybody been successful in getting the deal approved and an order number/build date from Audi, my broker says that the deal was pulled by VWFS due to a pricing error and they had to tell people who ordered sorry no deal, I am not convinced this is true, I have been following this thread for a few weeks and not seen anybody post that they had a deal pulled and the fee refunded etc
I can confirm a few of us did get lucky with the deal and we have received our order numbers/ confirmed build date.steve184 said:
It’s variable within the confines of a maximum time limit and mileage limit. The time limit on the variable will be 24 months.
Maybe as part of the pdi they set the date of delivery so any service schedule starts from that date but then if car has been sat for a while since manufacture does this not mean the oil has already aged by the period it has been sat about therefore surely wouldn’t last as long in use on a variable regime? I’m not entirely clued up on how this process works tbh
Yep, my 208 was clearly one of a batch pushed through for an end of March registration (for bonus/support reasons?), then all sitting around until they could get takers for them.Maybe as part of the pdi they set the date of delivery so any service schedule starts from that date but then if car has been sat for a while since manufacture does this not mean the oil has already aged by the period it has been sat about therefore surely wouldn’t last as long in use on a variable regime? I’m not entirely clued up on how this process works tbh
I got mine in the July and as far as the car knows that's when it needs the annual service. Peugeot's website thinks it's due in March, but guess they could probably change of I told them.
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