Best Lease Car Deals Available? (Vol 8)

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BenUpToMuch said:

Good find! Always a bonus when its cheaper than what you first see, wish it happened more haha!

What’s the lead time in these?

[brittas14]

Burwood said:

completely wrong.

Termination fees (in this case) are an attempt to avoid the Consumer Rights Act. In my opinion are voidable and the broker won't go so far as serving papers because they know they will lose. The only time I have seen a reasonable fee being even considered if AFTER the car has been ordered and if it is rather unique with a lot of options and maybe an odd paint choice. Brokers fees are the £180-£200 'FEE' which the OP has already paid. There are no other areas to make a profit from the leasee. The clause is nothing more than a fee grab.

So Which are ‘completely wrong’?

https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/i-t...

[DC-1]

Burwood said:

OP, what is the exact date of the document signing? It could make things easier. Note- they don't have any legal basis to claim this very high fee. In fact they should refund any fees already paid but they won't do so willingly and it's not worth pursuing. Based on your answer to the question i'll give you some more details. Termination fees are for situations where a car has been ordered and is rather bespoke. It is still not an automatic right to claim such fees. They would have to prove loss and they simply can not. Don't pay then a dime.

This is a copy of a post I made in 2019 on this very matter.

No their fees are not enforceable. In recent times dealers and brokers have tried to circumvent distance selling by adding various fee clauses. They will struggle to enforce it. So far they have failed. I would not pay it and specify why you are cancelling 'consumer law'. You don't need to or want to go into the reasons for cancellation. It is irrelevant and the law states 'for any reason'. You changed your mind. End of. I would suggest if you want peace of mind, call Citizens Advice. They are very good and know exactly what to advise.

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 14:29

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 14:36

Thank you for your input.

I digitally signed the document on 25/1/2020.

They are certainly pursuing me for it and have chased it via email and telephone noting they will not cancel the car until it is paid.

I have stated I have no intention of paying it and with the vehicle to be cancelled.

[Burwood]

DC-1 said:

Burwood said:

OP, what is the exact date of the document signing? It could make things easier. Note- they don't have any legal basis to claim this very high fee. In fact they should refund any fees already paid but they won't do so willingly and it's not worth pursuing. Based on your answer to the question i'll give you some more details. Termination fees are for situations where a car has been ordered and is rather bespoke. It is still not an automatic right to claim such fees. They would have to prove loss and they simply can not. Don't pay then a dime.

This is a copy of a post I made in 2019 on this very matter.

No their fees are not enforceable. In recent times dealers and brokers have tried to circumvent distance selling by adding various fee clauses. They will struggle to enforce it. So far they have failed. I would not pay it and specify why you are cancelling 'consumer law'. You don't need to or want to go into the reasons for cancellation. It is irrelevant and the law states 'for any reason'. You changed your mind. End of. I would suggest if you want peace of mind, call Citizens Advice. They are very good and know exactly what to advise.

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 14:29

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 14:36

Thank you for your input.

I digitally signed the document on 25/1/2020.

They are certainly pursuing me for it and have chased it via email and telephone noting they will not cancel the car until it is paid.

I have stated I have no intention of paying it and with the vehicle to be cancelled.

make sure you cancel in writing. Email is fine. You don't owe them any explanation. They can't not cancel. Muppets. They're trying to bully you. If they phone you, tell them to email you. When they do, email back saying you've taken advice, you cancelled in line with Consumer Regulations and it is your right, penalty free, and you will not be paying any further fees (don't say ant more on it, why etc). I'd ask them to refund the fee you have paid. (that will be enough to wind their neck in).

Don't worry about the threat of debt collectors. They can't do st unless you are taken to Court and they win. It will cost them a lot more in court fees and time. They can't do anything to your credit score. If you ever receive a letter from debt collectors just email back saying the matter is in dispute and you will not be engaging with them further.


When you look at it logically, how is it, if the deal goes ahead, you pay £200 or whatever it is yet if you cancel you pay £600. It's a con. If I had paid the initial 'fee' via card i'd try and charge that back too.

Don't listen to the warriors on here who say if you signed it you're liable- nothing could be further from the truth.

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 19:10

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TheGrandBore said:

A relation is looking at a Seat Arona (se manual). Initial of £681 down and 35 payments of £201 (plus vat) based on 10,00 miles / year for maintenance.

Not sure it is a great deal, especially as they have leased a DSG version of the car for the last 2 years at a much lower rate.

There is a £180 admin fee, plus a second £120 admin fee for the maintenance, is that normal?

I have an older deal for SE Tech DSG 6+23 £166.

[NSS89]

brittas14 said:

Burwood said:

completely wrong.

Termination fees (in this case) are an attempt to avoid the Consumer Rights Act. In my opinion are voidable and the broker won't go so far as serving papers because they know they will lose. The only time I have seen a reasonable fee being even considered if AFTER the car has been ordered and if it is rather unique with a lot of options and maybe an odd paint choice. Brokers fees are the £180-£200 'FEE' which the OP has already paid. There are no other areas to make a profit from the leasee. The clause is nothing more than a fee grab.

So Which are ‘completely wrong’?

https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/i-t...

EXCESSIVE CANCELLATION FEES

Terms that allow the trader to take too much of your money if you back out of a contract can be unfair.

If you want to end a contract, a trader can claim for administration and marketing costs and for any work they had started and loss of profit but no more.


This is in line with what Burwood is saying. They’d have to justify their cancellation fee which they won’t be able to - not to the amount they are asking for anyway.

[indarjit-b92ls]

Dannyt1990 said:

Me too! Thanks very much OP - seems a lot of car for not a lot of cash!

Any news on cars guys/credit check? Filled out my credit check this morning, not heard back yet, last week I heard back within an hour.
I know I’m being impatient.

Edited by indarjit-b92ls on Friday 21st February 20:30

[DC-1]

Burwood said:

make sure you cancel in writing. Email is fine. You don't owe them any explanation. They can't not cancel. Muppets. They're trying to bully you. If they phone you, tell them to email you. When they do, email back saying you've taken advice, you cancelled in line with Consumer Regulations and it is your right, penalty free, and you will not be paying any further fees (don't say ant more on it, why etc). I'd ask them to refund the fee you have paid. (that will be enough to wind their neck in).

Don't worry about the threat of debt collectors. They can't do st unless you are taken to Court and they win. It will cost them a lot more in court fees and time. They can't do anything to your credit score. If you ever receive a letter from debt collectors just email back saying the matter is in dispute and you will not be engaging with them further.


When you look at it logically, how is it, if the deal goes ahead, you pay £200 or whatever it is yet if you cancel you pay £600. It's a con. If I had paid the initial 'fee' via card i'd try and charge that back too.

Don't listen to the warriors on here who say if you signed it you're liable- nothing could be further from the truth.

Edited by Burwood on Friday 21st February 19:10

Thank you for the very helpful input!

I will also speak to citizens advice as recommended and see what they say.

Thanks again.

[Considered1]

Hi folks (new here please be gentle) has anyone got a link to a brochure for the Cupra ST 300 and R with option list and prices, Cupra website seems pretty scant on any details like what do I need to do to get electric seats? Googling seat on a cupra comes back to me with the basic necessities in life like yes it has a seat to sit on! should I lease the R or wait for a hybrid monster.. best regards Considered1, RS6 Avant 5.0v10 & Focus RS Mk3 for sale soon!

[JS0]

DC-1 said:

Thank you for the very helpful input!

I will also speak to citizens advice as recommended and see what they say.

Thanks again.

I’d be interested to see how you get on

As a business owner i would like to believe signing a contract and 14 days elapsing would allow a reasonable contract to be enforced.

[Milkbuttons]

Mjsibs said:

Milkbuttons said:

Mjsibs said:

Milkbuttons said:

Burwood said:

HMG1K said:

Milkbuttons said:

When I spoke to Audi they talked about an extension of 3 months, which is fine, the problem I have is CarLeasing-Online are giving no indication on at ETA, just makes for bad planning and loads of unwanted messing around.

If you have an order number and it's in the system I'm sure Audi FS will work with you and even try to push your order along via internal means.

When I ordered my A5 (my first Audi) in a February I was told by the broker and agent it was an April delivery. By the end of April I didn't even have a build slot, let alone the delivery date having passed. I spoke to the press office at Audi UK (as I'm a journalist) and they told me they couldn't do / promise anything but would investigate. Days later I had a build slot and delivery for end of August. Days after that I jumped up the queue and had an early July delivery date, which happened. Worth a try

The 3 month extension is a once only option for any reason (same terms ££). If you have a VAG order number they will extend month to month and even prorata on the exact same terms. Get your order number! Other 6 and 12 month extensions are formal (new contract/rates). Just clarifying. If you have another VAG car coming you aren't extending for '3' months, it's until your car arrives, rolling monthly.

I think I will give them until the middle of next week to confirm the build slot if nothing appears I will talk directly to Audi again and see where that goes.

To think all this started because the vehicle colour on my order was incorrect!

Who will you speak to directly at Audi, I’d like to know as I’ll also be having a word

You can speak with Audi customer services, I'm in the fortunate position I already have an A4 Avant on lease along with an order number for the new one so they have all my details.

Regardless whether or not you order your car from a broker or from a main dealer you will be an Audi customer they will look into your order and talk directly with the dealer that's placed your order to find out exactly whats going on.

If you haven't been given an order number I would ask them for it and put the details into the Audi system and see what it says, it might be worth trying the Affinity order number to see if that works

I have an order number from Audi.

I’ve just spoken to Audi customer services regarding my order. I’m assuming this goes for almost all Audi A4 avant that where ordered on the last deal around November time.

None of these orders have actually been accepted by Audi as there is no more allocation currently available for them.

Your car once accepted will then be at least a further 16 weeks until complete. Estimated around July / August deliveries.

Now who’s at fault here???

Audi dealer for accepting more orders via the broker knowing they have no allocations? Although Audi customer services said the dealer would of informed the broker of this.

Or is the broker at fault for knowing this information and stringing me along saying they will keep me updated with a build slot as they are unaware why it’s taking so long??

I would definitely say it's the brokers fault for stringing everyone along, their a faceless company and couldn't careless about people in my opinion.
I always prefer to deal direct with a main dealer, but on this occasion I took a gamble and sadly it doesn't seem to be paying off! I hope i'm proved wrong!

[Mjsibs]

Milkbuttons said:

Mjsibs said:

Milkbuttons said:

Mjsibs said:

Milkbuttons said:

Burwood said:

HMG1K said:

Milkbuttons said:

When I spoke to Audi they talked about an extension of 3 months, which is fine, the problem I have is CarLeasing-Online are giving no indication on at ETA, just makes for bad planning and loads of unwanted messing around.

If you have an order number and it's in the system I'm sure Audi FS will work with you and even try to push your order along via internal means.

When I ordered my A5 (my first Audi) in a February I was told by the broker and agent it was an April delivery. By the end of April I didn't even have a build slot, let alone the delivery date having passed. I spoke to the press office at Audi UK (as I'm a journalist) and they told me they couldn't do / promise anything but would investigate. Days later I had a build slot and delivery for end of August. Days after that I jumped up the queue and had an early July delivery date, which happened. Worth a try

The 3 month extension is a once only option for any reason (same terms ££). If you have a VAG order number they will extend month to month and even prorata on the exact same terms. Get your order number! Other 6 and 12 month extensions are formal (new contract/rates). Just clarifying. If you have another VAG car coming you aren't extending for '3' months, it's until your car arrives, rolling monthly.

I think I will give them until the middle of next week to confirm the build slot if nothing appears I will talk directly to Audi again and see where that goes.

To think all this started because the vehicle colour on my order was incorrect!

Who will you speak to directly at Audi, I’d like to know as I’ll also be having a word

You can speak with Audi customer services, I'm in the fortunate position I already have an A4 Avant on lease along with an order number for the new one so they have all my details.

Regardless whether or not you order your car from a broker or from a main dealer you will be an Audi customer they will look into your order and talk directly with the dealer that's placed your order to find out exactly whats going on.

If you haven't been given an order number I would ask them for it and put the details into the Audi system and see what it says, it might be worth trying the Affinity order number to see if that works

I have an order number from Audi.

I’ve just spoken to Audi customer services regarding my order. I’m assuming this goes for almost all Audi A4 avant that where ordered on the last deal around November time.

None of these orders have actually been accepted by Audi as there is no more allocation currently available for them.

Your car once accepted will then be at least a further 16 weeks until complete. Estimated around July / August deliveries.

Now who’s at fault here???

Audi dealer for accepting more orders via the broker knowing they have no allocations? Although Audi customer services said the dealer would of informed the broker of this.

Or is the broker at fault for knowing this information and stringing me along saying they will keep me updated with a build slot as they are unaware why it’s taking so long??

I would definitely say it's the brokers fault for stringing everyone along, their a faceless company and couldn't careless about people in my opinion.
I always prefer to deal direct with a main dealer, but on this occasion I took a gamble and sadly it doesn't seem to be paying off! I hope i'm proved wrong!

Without doubt the car will arrive but 9 odd months after ordering for a normal a4 is a joke. I’m in contact with the area manager of Audi who are far from impressed with affinity and the way they have blamed Audi for the delay.

Hopefully he will fast track my order for a build. But I will not be waiting up to 16 weeks, I’ll cancel. Problem is I can get the same car immediately but with a £2500 increase over 24 months which isn’t happening either.

So I’m kind of stuck as deals about currently are not great for any car like this a4 , a6 , 5 series, c or e class etc etc

Edited by Mjsibs on Saturday 22 February 09:53

[brittas14]

JS0 said:

I’d be interested to see how you get on

As a business owner i would like to believe signing a contract and 14 days elapsing would allow a reasonable contract to be enforced.

Agreed.

I’d say a good broker should offer a gesture of goodwill in this situation and hopefully earn themselves an opportunity to win any future business from the OP. But that’s not a given if it’s on the T&Cs and is clear, unambiguous, and beyond cooling off.

[ahm]

Mjsibs said:

Without doubt the car will arrive but 9 odd months after ordering for a normal a4 is a joke. I’m in contact with the area manager of Audi who are far from impressed with affinity and the way they have blamed Audi for the delay.

Hopefully he will fast track my order for a build. But I will not be waiting up to 16 weeks, I’ll cancel. Problem is I can get the same car immediately but with a £2500 increase over 24 months which isn’t happening either.

So I’m kind of stuck as deals about currently are not great for any car like this a4 , a6 , 5 series, c or e class etc etc

Edited by Mjsibs on Saturday 22 February 09:53

Apologies for stepping in during what is a cr*p time for some, I've been there with Audi in past (8month delivery in my case) and it's incredibly frustrating.

But if any of you are cancelling and can/want to transfer over to possibly save on any fees you've paid please PM me as deliver times might suit me. Thanks

[GrahamW]

Looking around for a new car and thinking compact SUV such as Evoque or EPace. Not ideal engine but good price over 4 years (compared to 3+23).

https://www.bluechillicarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing...

Anyone got an Evoque - Petrol vs. Diesel? Need to go and test drive them

[Mjsibs]

ahm said:

Mjsibs said:

Without doubt the car will arrive but 9 odd months after ordering for a normal a4 is a joke. I’m in contact with the area manager of Audi who are far from impressed with affinity and the way they have blamed Audi for the delay.

Hopefully he will fast track my order for a build. But I will not be waiting up to 16 weeks, I’ll cancel. Problem is I can get the same car immediately but with a £2500 increase over 24 months which isn’t happening either.

So I’m kind of stuck as deals about currently are not great for any car like this a4 , a6 , 5 series, c or e class etc etc

Edited by Mjsibs on Saturday 22 February 09:53

Apologies for stepping in during what is a cr*p time for some, I've been there with Audi in past (8month delivery in my case) and it's incredibly frustrating.

But if any of you are cancelling and can/want to transfer over to possibly save on any fees you've paid please PM me as deliver times might suit me. Thanks

Well 16 week build wait and still no allocated slots available to the dealer so I’d say 5 months maybe?

[saaby93]

Mjsibs said:

Without doubt the car will arrive but 9 odd months after ordering for a normal a4 is a joke. I’m in contact with the area manager of Audi who are far from impressed with affinity and the way they have blamed Audi for the delay.

Hopefully he will fast track my order for a build. But I will not be waiting up to 16 weeks, I’ll cancel. Problem is I can get the same car immediately but with a £2500 increase over 24 months which isn’t happening either.

So I’m kind of stuck as deals about currently are not great for any car like this a4 , a6 , 5 series, c or e class etc etc

Audi A5 at blue chilli for £248
https://www.bluechillicarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing...

[ahm]

Mjsibs said:

Well 16 week build wait and still no allocated slots available to the dealer so I’d say 5 months maybe?

My current A4 was ordered in Nov 17, delivered July 18. At the time the whole introduction of wltp tests was the excuse but appears things haven't improved much. I didn't take the affinity deals before Xmas because they allegedly had to be delivered by end of March, which was too early for me. If I'd known they would actually take this long it would have been perfect, the prices where v good if I remember correctly. Hence my cheeky enquiry as to whether anybody would be needing to pass on.

Edited by ahm on Saturday 22 February 12:51

[2 GKC]

saaby93 said:

Mjsibs said:

Without doubt the car will arrive but 9 odd months after ordering for a normal a4 is a joke. I’m in contact with the area manager of Audi who are far from impressed with affinity and the way they have blamed Audi for the delay.

Hopefully he will fast track my order for a build. But I will not be waiting up to 16 weeks, I’ll cancel. Problem is I can get the same car immediately but with a £2500 increase over 24 months which isn’t happening either.

So I’m kind of stuck as deals about currently are not great for any car like this a4 , a6 , 5 series, c or e class etc etc

Audi A5 at blue chilli for £248
https://www.bluechillicarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing...

It’s not £248 though is it?

[Mjsibs]

ahm said:

Mjsibs said:

Well 16 week build wait and still no allocated slots available to the dealer so I’d say 5 months maybe?

My current A4 was ordered in Nov 17, delivered July 18. At the time the whole introduction of wltp tests was the excuse but appears things haven't improved much. I didn't take the affinity deals before Xmas because they allegedly had to be delivered by end of March, which was too early for me. If I'd known they would actually take this long it would have been perfect, the prices where v good if I remember correctly. Hence my cheeky enquiry as to whether anybody would be needing to pass on.

Edited by ahm on Saturday 22 February 12:51

If the area manager doesn’t fast track my car I’ll 100% be cancelling my order.

Yea was a good deal but to be honest after contacting a few brokers via carwow a few days after ordering they all matched AffinityLeasing deal and one even beat it by £5 a month, but I’d already ordered so was happy to stay with affinity.

Wish I hadn’t as said broker has had all cars ordered in November delivered to customers, he can offer me one which someone pulled out of but it’s £375 pm and is not the black edition