Is there a better value than this coupe? Doesn't look like.

[Deep Thought]

CM2020 said:

Ok. Value for money yes.

This is the thing. I think it's more than ok to drive. Ok if comparing to expensive RWD sports cars then yes. But comparing to FWD common cars? Then the Crossfire is a very nice and fun drive. Since most cars are common FWD cars it makes the Crossfire special in a river of common cars. But it cost the same or less than a common car. Very good looking and looks exotic. And compare it to cheap RWD cars like Genesis coupe and the Crossfire feel very special. But I think a Genesis is still more expensive?

Yes SRT6 is quite a bit more. But then again AMG V6 330 hp!

In fairness, a very presentable Crossfire seems to be able to be got for around £3K, and thats cracking value as you say.

But for a bit more - around the £5K ish mark i'd have a Boxster or a 350Z or an SLK350 or a TT 3.2 V6. I dont think the SLK350 is necessarily any better to drive than the Chrysler but its better looking - more reconciled IMHO.

[CM2020]

craigjm said:

Have you driven one? Recirculating ball steering means that it drives nothing like a sports car. Cheaply painted dashboard hardly looks exotic or premium. Don’t get me wrong as a styling exercise it’s interesting but even from 10ft away it looks cheap

Yes I drove a few now actually. Like I said my friend has one and now knows some Crossfire owners. So I got to drive a SRT6 too. I say again, I think it drives fine. The base one. It's not a wild sports car. But did Chrysler or Mercedes try to pass them as such? It's a fun RWD coupe. Enough power, nice and different style and now very affordable too. SRT6 is up there with some sports cars.

The exterior doesn't look cheap at all. Not cheaper than any Mercedes. Problem is the interior. But basically only the dash which looks cheap. Seats are same as Mercedes. Door cards might be as well. I think the problem is the silver paint on center console. But my friend's has an aftermarket burshed aluminium look and looks much better. But it's only the dash. You can improve that. But the exterior? Looks like an expensive exotic. Everybody asks if it's expensive or what it is.

[CM2020]

Deep Thought said:

In fairness, a very presentable Crossfire seems to be able to be got for around £3K, and thats cracking value as you say.

But for a bit more - around the £5K ish mark i'd have a Boxster or a 350Z or an SLK350 or a TT 3.2 V6. I dont think the SLK350 is necessarily any better to drive than the Chrysler but its better looking - more reconciled IMHO.

See none of these look better for me.

SLK for sure don't drive better. Not the ones from the same time. 350z feels bloated in comparison. Much heavier car and not much more power than base Crossfire. Less power than SRT6. SRT6 feels like a rocket near 350z. TT is just boring all around. My girfriend has one.

[Quickmoose]

craigjm said:

You can’t not discuss style though because that’s the whole idea of a sports coupe.

Exactly.
The OP may well get compliments and is clearly a fan....
You can’t start a thread and then expect everyone to just nod and agree, that’s why I put “in my opinion” at the end.

My experience of them, has been bland in terms of build quality (dash mainly),
Nothing out of the (comparative) ordinary in terms of handling and performance, (all good there)
Which leaves vfm: great.
Style and design: (imo) nasty.

The original TT was ‘ordinary’ now... was a true groundbreaker in it’s day.
RX8 was NOT vfm/reliability wise has much more going for it in terms of performance and design...

You put your preferences in order of importance and the car for you shows itself...

As I said, for me, vfm rarely gets a look in for a car I want to admire and enjoy.

[CM2020]

Quickmoose said:

Exactly.
The OP may well get compliments and is clearly a fan....
You can’t start a thread and then expect everyone to just nod and agree, that’s why I put “in my opinion” at the end.

My experience of them, has been bland in terms of build quality (dash mainly),
Nothing out of the (comparative) ordinary in terms of handling and performance, (all good there)
Which leaves vfm: great.
Style and design: (imo) nasty.

The original TT was ‘ordinary’ now... was a true groundbreaker in it’s day.
RX8 was NOT vfm/reliability wise has much more going for it in terms of performance and design...

You put your preferences in order of importance and the car for you shows itself...

As I said, for me, vfm rarely gets a look in for a car I want to admire and enjoy.

Fair enough. Already discussed that dash looks cheap. But can be improved.

But to be fair the thread was never to discuss the Crossfire merits. I asked if there was any better value for the money for a RWD coupe sports car out there.

About your comment of nasty style, what do you drive? What is your idea of nice looking? You like common cars which blend in and everyone has?

[Justin Case]

Alfa GT? The Busso engined ones are obviously dearer than a Crossfire, but taking into account looks, that engine and even practicality then it probably comes out top in terms of vfm (IMO of course)

[Quickmoose]

CM2020 said:

Fair enough. Already discussed that dash looks cheap. But can be improved.

But to be fair the thread was never to discuss the Crossfire merits. I asked if there was any better value for the money for a RWD coupe sports car out there.

About your comment of nasty style, what do you drive? What is your idea of nice looking? You like common cars which blend in and everyone has?

....and as I said
If vfm is a priority then yeah, a Crossfire may well be right up there.
My point was, vfm wouldn’t be a highlight fo such a car.....
What I drive isn’t really the point is it? The thread is about the merits of the Crossfire....
(But it’s an S2000)

[10126 Torino]

It does NOT look "exotic".

People ask what it is as they sold about 7 of them before dropping it.

[Wacky Racer]

I've always liked the Crossfire.

Something different and you can pick them up for peanuts.

[CM2020]

Justin Case said:

Alfa GT? The Busso engined ones are obviously dearer than a Crossfire, but taking into account looks, that engine and even practicality then it probably comes out top in terms of vfm (IMO of course)

But the Alfa is a FWD common car. Not a RWD sports car. I also don't think it's better value. The 4 cylinders I think are cheaper. But FWD 4 pot common car. The V6 is still a FWD common car. If you go this way there are dozens of better deals. If considering FWD common cars. I asked about a better value for a RWD coupe sports car with same or more power and even manual gear etc. All of them cost more unless I forgot something.

[Deep Thought]

CM2020 said:

Fair enough. Already discussed that dash looks cheap. But can be improved.

But to be fair the thread was never to discuss the Crossfire merits. I asked if there was any better value for the money for a RWD coupe sports car out there.

About your comment of nasty style, what do you drive? What is your idea of nice looking? You like common cars which blend in and everyone has?

You keep going back to that but how many people buy a RWD sports car coupe with VFM as the highest priority?

I'd rather drive a RWD coupe i actually want rather than one thats the best VFM.

[CM2020]

10126 Torino said:

It does NOT look "exotic".

People ask what it is as they sold about 7 of them before dropping it.

I absolutely LOOKS exotic. Not only because it's rare but also because it looks like nothing else on the road.

[craigjm]

It doesn’t look exotic or expensive. Those cheap painted side vents and door handles stand out for a start. Step inside and like you’ve admitted the interior is awful. Your denial of a number of other cars being competitors because they are FWD fails to acknowledge the main reason why people buy coupes and that’s for their style not their value for money, driven wheels or anything else. I bet if you got 30 crossfire drivers together only 8 would know it was RWD and the rest wouldn’t know what difference it makes or care

[CM2020]

Quickmoose said:

....and as I said
If vfm is a priority then yeah, a Crossfire may well be right up there.
My point was, vfm wouldn’t be a highlight fo such a car.....
What I drive isn’t really the point is it? The thread is about the merits of the Crossfire....
(But it’s an S2000)

It is relevant because then I understand your taste for cars. S2000 is a great drive. But I never liked the look. A bit like a square clown shoe. But S2000 is all out sports car. Crossfire isn't. Different types of car to compare.

Yes my point was asking if there is a better deal for that type of car.

You totally lost me with your comment VFM wouldn’t be a highlight fo such a car.

[Deep Thought]

CM2020 said:

Justin Case said:

Alfa GT? The Busso engined ones are obviously dearer than a Crossfire, but taking into account looks, that engine and even practicality then it probably comes out top in terms of vfm (IMO of course)

But the Alfa is a FWD common car. Not a RWD sports car. I also don't think it's better value. The 4 cylinders I think are cheaper. But FWD 4 pot common car. The V6 is still a FWD common car. If you go this way there are dozens of better deals. If considering FWD common cars. I asked about a better value for a RWD coupe sports car with same or more power and even manual gear etc. All of them cost more unless I forgot something.

Oh i think i could forgive this being FWD.







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[CM2020]

Wacky Racer said:

I've always liked the Crossfire.

Something different and you can pick them up for peanuts.

Yes indeed. It's almost crazy if you look at the value.

[Deep Thought]

CM2020 said:

It is relevant because then I understand your taste for cars. S2000 is a great drive. But I never liked the look. A bit like a square clown shoe. But S2000 is all out sports car. Crossfire isn't. Different types of car to compare.

Yes my point was asking if there is a better deal for that type of car.

You totally lost me with your comment VFM wouldn’t be a highlight fo such a car.

If someones budget is £3,000 AND they want RWD AND they want a coupe, then no, there isnt better VFM.

BUT i could be fairly sure i could buy something i'd actually want for say £5K and suffer as little depreciation as the Crossfire, thus equalling the VFM.

[cerb4.5lee]

The Crossfire has always reminded me of what happened with the Ford Cougar. For me the Cougar was a much better looking car than the Mondeo...but nobody bought or wanted one.

It was the same with the Crossfire and the SLK and the Crossfire arguably looked better than the SLK...but nobody bought or wanted one.

[CM2020]

Deep Thought said:

You keep going back to that but how many people buy a RWD sports car coupe with VFM as the highest priority?

I'd rather drive a RWD coupe i actually want rather than one thats the best VFM.

What if the one you want and the one with the best VFM is the one and the same? Why can't VFM play a role?

Besides like it or not it was the question of the thread. I was just asking if there is a better VFM for a RWD coupe sports car. Because for all it offers I think there is not. After actually driving them I say they are actually under priced in my opinion. Since you can't find another which offers all that.

Also, even if not looking for something like this, because of the great VFM, you could now consider it. Which you wouldn't if it was expensive. So VFM can play a legit role. Don't know why people are acting like it is a sin to consider VFM.

If the Crossfire was total crap, I would see your point. But IT IS NOT! I actually perfer how it drives and feels over some of the darlings out there. Like the TT. I have the feeling most people bashing it never drove a Crossfire and are only going by Internet hersay. Owners love them.

[Deep Thought]

CM2020 said:

What if the one you want and the one with the best VFM is the one and the same? Why can't VFM play a role?

Besides like it or not it was the question of the thread. I was just asking if there is a better VFM for a RWD coupe sports car. Because for all it offers I think there is not. After actually driving them I say they are actually under priced in my opinion. Since you can't find another which offers all that.

Also, even if not looking for something like this, because of the great VFM, you could now consider it. Which you wouldn't if it was expensive. So VFM can play a legit role. Don't know why people are acting like it is a sin to consider VFM.

If the Crossfire was total crap, I would see your point. But IT IS NOT! I actually perfer how it drives and feels over some of the darlings out there. Like the TT. I have the feeling most people bashing it never drove a Crossfire and are only going by Internet hersay. Owners love them.

I agree with you - I think if someone has £3K ish to spend AND wants RWD AND wants a 2 seater coupe then theres no better VFM.

I personally dont like the looks, and i've never wanted to own one. If someone does then great - they're getting themselves a bargain.

Edited by Deep Thought on Sunday 23 February 21:19