EVs... no one wants them!

[holyramenemperor]

jimmy_wrxsti said:

When did they tell you this? I had spoke to them about 4pm today and they will still able to quote with the high GFV lender. Annoyingly I was going to pull trigger tomorrow morning

About 4.30 today lol

Gutted really as I tried to get a quote on Saturday but couldn’t get hold of them

[Jimbob2405]

holyramenemperor said:

About 4.30 today lol

Gutted really as I tried to get a quote on Saturday but couldn’t get hold of them

I chased 4 Polestars today. All sold by the time I got my quote back from Oracle. Was the most stressful day I've had in a long time. Didn't get one in the end!

[maz8062]

This is a great thread. It started out bashing EV’s and now folk are desperate to get their hands on one. Come over to the dark side - it’s nice and warm in EV land :

[Mark V GTD]

lord trumpton said:

This EV depreciation topic was discussed at length this morning on R4 you and yours slot.

Worth a listen tbh

It was - thanks for the heads-up. The Autotrader lady seemed somewhat unconcerned, in contrast the the car dealer association guy.

[matt21]

I can’t get over how cheap E Golf’s are. A 19 plate, 30k car from VW so 2 year warranty is around £15k. Zero tax, low running costs, surely worth £10k still in 3-4 years. Range is crap but will use it only as a local car. What am I missing?

[mat205125]

maz8062 said:

This is a great thread. It started out bashing EV’s and now folk are desperate to get their hands on one. Come over to the dark side - it’s nice and warm in EV land :

.... but the circumstances are different.

Get yourself into a leased or PCP new EV = yes

Form an orderly queue to buy and own a used EV = no

[mat205125]

matt21 said:

I can’t get over how cheap E Golf’s are. A 19 plate, 30k car from VW so 2 year warranty is around £15k. Zero tax, low running costs, surely worth £10k still in 3-4 years. Range is crap but will use it only as a local car. What am I missing?

Maybe only £5k in 4 years, without a warranty and with an aging out-of-warranty battery??

[barryrs]

mat205125 said:

.... but the circumstances are different.

Get yourself into a leased or PCP new EV = yes

Form an orderly queue to buy and own a used EV = no

I disagree.

Get yourself into a leased or PCP new EV = yes

Form an orderly queue to buy and own a used EV that the finance company has taken a bath on = yes

For example; I have just paid £40k for a 3-year old 20k mile approved used EQC that had a list of £80k.

[GreatGranny]

wyson said:

Honestly wouldn’t wait at those prices. They are abnormally low, I reckon they are special lead ins or some sort of very limited offering so they can advertise their bs headline rates legally.

We are both cautious and this at times is a disadvantage

I'll have a chat with the wife tonight and decide whether we go ahead.
Think Ioniq 5 is favourite at the moment.

ETA ID Buzz is back

Edited by GreatGranny on Tuesday 28th March 12:59

[silent ninja]

maz8062 said:

This is a great thread. It started out bashing EV’s and now folk are desperate to get their hands on one. Come over to the dark side - it’s nice and warm in EV land :

my EV is definitely warm. A toasty cabin and warm steering wheel every morning

[NortonES2]

Evanivitch said:

E-Niro. Tomorrow possibly.

Saw one this morning waiting at a red traffic light opposite and noticed that it's DRL lights suddenly turned off, when the traffic lights changed to green it just sat there, don't know if it had run out of charge or something more expensive.

[soxboy]

mat205125 said:

matt21 said:

I can’t get over how cheap E Golf’s are. A 19 plate, 30k car from VW so 2 year warranty is around £15k. Zero tax, low running costs, surely worth £10k still in 3-4 years. Range is crap but will use it only as a local car. What am I missing?

Maybe only £5k in 4 years, without a warranty and with an aging out-of-warranty battery??

£10k loss over 4 years is £208pm. You can’t get a new electric near that. By the time you’ve factored in the fuel saving it sounds pretty good to me.

My issue would be how much better would it be to stretch to an ID3?

[dmsims]

soxboy said:

My issue would be how much better would it be to stretch to an ID3?

2021 58kWh with 30K miles £22K

[TRKid]

matt21 said:

I can’t get over how cheap E Golf’s are. A 19 plate, 30k car from VW so 2 year warranty is around £15k. Zero tax, low running costs, surely worth £10k still in 3-4 years. Range is crap but will use it only as a local car. What am I missing?

Yeah. I decided to buy mine from vwfs. £13.3k, 69 plate, 31k miles. It still has 5yrs of battery warranty left so I think it’ll still be worth at least £8k in 3 years. It would put the rough cost at £150pcm over three years.

Servicing is £100 every two years or 20k miles. I’ve averaged 3.9mi/kwh long term. Range averages around 125 miles. Not great, but fine for most commutes.

[SpeckledJim]

TRKid said:

matt21 said:

I can’t get over how cheap E Golf’s are. A 19 plate, 30k car from VW so 2 year warranty is around £15k. Zero tax, low running costs, surely worth £10k still in 3-4 years. Range is crap but will use it only as a local car. What am I missing?

Yeah. I decided to buy mine from vwfs. £13.3k, 69 plate, 31k miles. It still has 5yrs of battery warranty left so I think it’ll still be worth at least £8k in 3 years. It would put the rough cost at £150pcm over three years.

Servicing is £100 every two years or 20k miles. I’ve averaged 3.9mi/kwh long term. Range averages around 125 miles. Not great, but fine for most commutes.

Great value for a very nice car.

[TRKid]

Yes the only downside is not ticking some of the options when I first ordered it, as I never expected to keep it after the lease was up.

[Jamescrs]

confused_buyer said:

The thing with ICE cars the basic drivetrain is so developed the incremental improvements generation to generation are small. I mean a 15 year old ICE does about the same mpg, is roughly as refined and has about the same regular servicing costs as one you buy today. Performance won't be vastly different either.

With EV I suspect in short order a £20k EV will be better and newer tech than a current £40k one and a £40k one twice as good.

That means "Generation 1 and 2" EVs will seem old hat before their time.

I'd agree with this, similar pattern to the development of smart phones in the early years, the early I-Phones saw big jumps from one model to the next, everyone wanted the latest one and the early ones quickly became old hat, despite still doing their job.

As the years have gone one we are on what generation 13 now? The jumps are often marginal and most users are happy to keep their model which is a couple of years older but that life span has taken around 14 years so far.

[stuthemong]

maz8062 said:

This is a great thread. It started out bashing EV’s and now folk are desperate to get their hands on one. Come over to the dark side - it’s nice and warm in EV land :

Not in a Taycan it ‘ain’t.

[Pepperpots]

What, heaters don't work in Taycans?

[Fastdruid]

Pepperpots said:

What, heaters don't work in Taycans?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/359620/porsche-...

EDIT: just wanted to add this bit from: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb...

Adrian chiles said:

Even if you’re the kind of motorist who considers Porsche owners to be on the flash side of acceptable, do try to have a heart and keep an eye out for them on the road, blue with cold as they forlornly scrape the ice from the inside of their windscreens.

Edited by Fastdruid on Wednesday 29th March 11:00