Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 22]
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SunsetZed said:
W00DY said:
GeniusOfLove said:
Really selling the dream there.KadettE said:
Such a great colour, really like that. My Friday offering: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608054...
Lovely. £19k feels like an awful lot though.tobinen said:
I can't find it but I think ZF says 80,000 miles / 150,000 kms; around there anyway.
I've always followed the schedule of doing the gearbox and diff oils when I do the cambelt.Youre getting trousered for a big bill anyway, might as well get it all done....
And if I buy something with high(er) miles with no evidence of it being done before, I do it with the knowledge it can actually screw it up by putting fresh oil in. But using a proper transmission specialist can offset that risk, as they will know how to properly flush it so that bits/sludge doesn't migrate to where it shouldn't. And if it needs it, they'll also include dropping the sump and blasting out the valve body and other areas. Volvos are terrible for this, especially the Aisin box, as pumping fresh oil around is guaranteed to shift any bits in to the solenoid for 2nd-3rd and causing shift flare.
The Volvo Aisin 6-speed unit (as used in the six and eight cylinder Volvos) was originally sold as filled for life, but then they retrospectively added a service interval.
The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
anotherswifty said:
In way of a Friday look what you ve missed way, I was perusing the regional auction that GoL alluded to, and past sales include this.
Seems really quite good value at thread plus a bit.
https://www.brightwells.com/timed-sale/5882/lot/88...
One of the cars that I always wanted when I couldn't afford one, but could fit into one Seems really quite good value at thread plus a bit.
https://www.brightwells.com/timed-sale/5882/lot/88...
donkmeister said:
The Volvo Aisin 6-speed unit (as used in the six and eight cylinder Volvos) was originally sold as filled for life, but then they retrospectively added a service interval.
The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
There's a few examples of Crown's doing mega miles with these boxes, but no one is sure that they're on the original oil and the owners club is 50/50 on whether to service them. The 8sp Aisin is also quite good - 788,000 reported on a V8 Majesta, I highly doubt it's on the original oil. The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
Friday offering: Cadillac Sedan Deville double thread
Not sure if we've had this one, within thread but not moved much in the last couple of years and some not fun MOT fails, gambling time: Peugeot 607
QBee said:
Krikkit said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
NomduJour said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
You'd have more chance of surviving a frisbee rescue from a power station than that gearbox lasting more than a tank of fuel (if it's still on the original)
ZF8s must be about the most reliable automatic in existence. I have the oil already, just the filter pan to buy and some idea on when I should change it.
Presently on 130k, but it is running as smooth as silk and I am hearing that I should leave it alone.
I've got a hooky copy of the service manual as well which said the same, but I can't find it in the myriad pages now.
donkmeister said:
The Volvo Aisin 6-speed unit (as used in the six and eight cylinder Volvos) was originally sold as filled for life, but then they retrospectively added a service interval.
The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
Some of them are equipped differently too - the TF80SC in my C6 has a service schedule, drain/fill plugs, but no internal filter. The Volvo ones have a filter but some are without a drain plug. Very odd.The same gearbox is used in various GM and Toyota products (and I think many more) so the same service is recommended by owners groups but NOT by the manufacturer.
There's no drain plug, you have to use the oil cooler lines. Quite a faff.
Nicks90 said:
tobinen said:
I can't find it but I think ZF says 80,000 miles / 150,000 kms; around there anyway.
I've always followed the schedule of doing the gearbox and diff oils when I do the cambelt.Youre getting trousered for a big bill anyway, might as well get it all done....
And if I buy something with high(er) miles with no evidence of it being done before, I do it with the knowledge it can actually screw it up by putting fresh oil in. But using a proper transmission specialist can offset that risk, as they will know how to properly flush it so that bits/sludge doesn't migrate to where it shouldn't. And if it needs it, they'll also include dropping the sump and blasting out the valve body and other areas. Volvos are terrible for this, especially the Aisin box, as pumping fresh oil around is guaranteed to shift any bits in to the solenoid for 2nd-3rd and causing shift flare.
Nothing visible in the service book or the pile of invoices to suggest it has had a gearbox oil change in its life time.
Back when I bought it I had the engine oil and filter changed immediately, but the garage where I had that done were not RR specialists and declined to risk getting the gearbox oil change wrong. I have known them for 15 years, so that comment was more for everyone's safety than anything else.
Now we are a year on and at 130,000 miles I have the same dilemma and still have 10 litres of gearbox oil looking for a home.
Googling the question, I see that ZF Aftermarket recommends a change every 50,000 - 75,000 miles, which is 80,000 - 120,000 kms.
What I need now is a good transmission specialst in the East Midlands (or within 75 miles of Nottingham) to do the work and not muck it up.
Anybody have any suggestions regarding gearbox specialists within my area?
Thanks Krikkit, I have had a good read of that service schedule.
Gearbox at 160,000 miles, Diff and transfer box at 80,000 miles.
There's a reasonable chance that the 80,000 miles service will have included the diff and transfer box. I don't have that invoice.
So for me, a full set of transmission oil changes will come when I feel flush (see what i did there
) in the next three years.
My friendly garage was aware that the risks in changing the oil in a higher mileage car's gearbox were as mentioned in the post above regarding using a gearbox specialist to avoid sending the sludge and muck into places where it was not wanted.
Gearbox at 160,000 miles, Diff and transfer box at 80,000 miles.
There's a reasonable chance that the 80,000 miles service will have included the diff and transfer box. I don't have that invoice.
So for me, a full set of transmission oil changes will come when I feel flush (see what i did there
) in the next three years.My friendly garage was aware that the risks in changing the oil in a higher mileage car's gearbox were as mentioned in the post above regarding using a gearbox specialist to avoid sending the sludge and muck into places where it was not wanted.
It's a bloody vile messy job to DIY if you're changing the sump pan and filter, and getting the car in the air but totally level can be awkward if you don't have a lift, but it's not actually difficult. Places always want £500 for the job, but it's about an hour of work and the fluid isn't that expensive now (aftermarket options available too).
ZF gearbox service intervals are some of the most inconsistent things I've ever seen.
I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
I think as long as it's done before well into 6 figures should see most people ok I'd have thought. I got the XKR done and Mackies transmissions, the only ZF agent in Scotland, recommended 2 years or 40k miles until my next one. Go figure.
FWIW they use a flushing machine.
I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
I think as long as it's done before well into 6 figures should see most people ok I'd have thought. I got the XKR done and Mackies transmissions, the only ZF agent in Scotland, recommended 2 years or 40k miles until my next one. Go figure.
FWIW they use a flushing machine.
TommoAE86 said:
There's a few examples of Crown's doing mega miles with these boxes, but no one is sure that they're on the original oil and the owners club is 50/50 on whether to service them. The 8sp Aisin is also quite good - 788,000 reported on a V8 Majesta, I highly doubt it's on the original oil.
And yet when I went to a Lexus main dealer at 60k miles with an LS460 (first car with an 8-speed... Bit of car trivia) the one job they refused to quote for was a gearbox service. Why? Because they thought it would start slipping. 
Still on the original ATF as far as I know. Gave it a sniff and a lick when I replaced the rad around 90k and it wasn't black or burnt smelling.
Patrick Bateman said:
ZF gearbox service intervals are some of the most inconsistent things I've ever seen.
I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
It is funny that people will quote a number and claim it as gospel because they read someone else had written it on a forum and claimed it was gospel.I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
Engine oil turns to thick tar after about 1,000 miles, according to what I've read online. And yet I helped out a friend by changing the oil in their S2000 (35,000 miles of 4,000rpm cruise rpm and many excursions to 9,000rpm) and it was seriously fine. Oh sure, I bet the oil was out of spec by that point, I wouldn't recommend it, but that was years ago and it's still going strong. They thought the engine was buggered as it was misfiring and giving an engine light, the valve lash just needed to be adjusted.
Patrick Bateman said:
ZF gearbox service intervals are some of the most inconsistent things I've ever seen.
I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
I think as long as it's done before well into 6 figures should see most people ok I'd have thought. I got the XKR done and Mackies transmissions, the only ZF agent in Scotland, recommended 2 years or 40k miles until my next one. Go figure.
FWIW they use a flushing machine.
40k always seems like a sensible number to me. I've seen people quote various years and mileages 'according to ZF'. Years and years ago I emailed ZF and pretty sure I got a different answer myself.
I think as long as it's done before well into 6 figures should see most people ok I'd have thought. I got the XKR done and Mackies transmissions, the only ZF agent in Scotland, recommended 2 years or 40k miles until my next one. Go figure.
FWIW they use a flushing machine.
I've done a service on a 8 speed Aisin and a 6 speed ZF.
Not much to it. I just used an infrared thermometer to estimate the temperature, seemed to work ok.
QBee said:
I bought my Range Rover with120,000 miles on it.
Nothing visible in the service book or the pile of invoices to suggest it has had a gearbox oil change in its life time.
Back when I bought it I had the engine oil and filter changed immediately, but the garage where I had that done were not RR specialists and declined to risk getting the gearbox oil change wrong. I have known them for 15 years, so that comment was more for everyone's safety than anything else.
Now we are a year on and at 130,000 miles I have the same dilemma and still have 10 litres of gearbox oil looking for a home.
Googling the question, I see that ZF Aftermarket recommends a change every 50,000 - 75,000 miles, which is 80,000 - 120,000 kms.
What I need now is a good transmission specialst in the East Midlands (or within 75 miles of Nottingham) to do the work and not muck it up.
Anybody have any suggestions regarding gearbox specialists within my area?
QBee - I can’t comment specifically for East Mids, but Ian Bodsworth (Updates by Bodsy on FB) provides this as a mobile service and is highly rated by Range Rover types. His prices are reasonable, particularly since he can come to you and does the full flush rather than simply dropping what’s in the pan/filter.Nothing visible in the service book or the pile of invoices to suggest it has had a gearbox oil change in its life time.
Back when I bought it I had the engine oil and filter changed immediately, but the garage where I had that done were not RR specialists and declined to risk getting the gearbox oil change wrong. I have known them for 15 years, so that comment was more for everyone's safety than anything else.
Now we are a year on and at 130,000 miles I have the same dilemma and still have 10 litres of gearbox oil looking for a home.
Googling the question, I see that ZF Aftermarket recommends a change every 50,000 - 75,000 miles, which is 80,000 - 120,000 kms.
What I need now is a good transmission specialst in the East Midlands (or within 75 miles of Nottingham) to do the work and not muck it up.
Anybody have any suggestions regarding gearbox specialists within my area?
GeniusOfLove said:
It's a bloody vile messy job to DIY if you're changing the sump pan and filter, and getting the car in the air but totally level can be awkward if you don't have a lift, but it's not actually difficult. Places always want £500 for the job, but it's about an hour of work and the fluid isn't that expensive now (aftermarket options available too).
Need a big plastic under-sofa storage box to just drop the whole pan into, I've also started using an oil pump now to empty the sump.Easy on a FFRR - put it on 4x little booster ramps and off-road mode
RE: Changes and flush/slipping - it's only an issue if the box is f
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