EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Fred Smith said:
I got an answer which did not seek to answer the question I was trying to ask, so I continued to ask and ask again until AI actually gave an answer to the question I was seeking an answer to. This is how to use AI.
Exactly. Initially AI told you the Kia was inherently safer in all aspects, you thought "that can't be right" so asked it some other questions skewed in favour of the answer you wanted. I have to work with AI so I'm well aware how it works and the difficulties of conscious and unconscious bias. No one wants their world view shattered. Car structure has been refined and improved significantly the last 20 years. That doesn't make an e90 a bad car, just not as safe for a pedestrian as a newer car. It even became safer post LCI.
MightyBadger said:
Tiglon said:
I'm surprised that no one has pointed out that even in 2006 the BMW 3 series achieved one star for pedestrian safety, scoring just 4 points out of a possible 36...
And that the X3 of the same era achieved 5 out of 36.
Because we only car what's happening to the occupants in a crash, are you going to get damaged more in a 2020 3 star ford Ka or a 2026 1 star Dacia spring. You can look at the damage diagrams and decide which you would be better off in. The standard propel the car into a wall tests have been pretty much the same for years so fair comparisons can be made to driver and passenger impact over the years, makes and models. Easy to get a picture of things.And that the X3 of the same era achieved 5 out of 36.
Edited by Tiglon on Sunday 26th April 13:37
I don't think I have ever had safety in mind when buying a car ever.
My last 2 cars have been both BMW M4's, the F82 in Yas Blue which I loved, then an Xdrive G82.
I had mate at work who bought a Model 3 Tesla with the 'performance boost' a few years back, I never knew much about them and I was blown away with it when he took me out then let me drive it for a bit. Wouldn't say i fell in love with it, but I 100% got it. It was silly quick, I loved the one pedal driving, I loved the silly man-child stuff you could do with it from the main screen. A car with a sense of humour. Alsmost zero servicing, heat and cool the car from my bed, no keys needed etc
Anyway, long story short, I waited until the new Model 3 Performance arrived at 0% and I instantly jumped on it trading the m4 against it.
Zero regrets almost 2 years in now. It's never given me any problems, quicker than my G90 was, no getting shafted by BM dealers with servcing...
The car was 60K new and PCP'd over 4 years at 0%. Depreciation I couldn't care less about as it will be getting handed back end of term.
It loses points on basic looks, but these days I prefer blending in with a sleeper. Do I miss the noise and occassion of the M4? Not really. In an ideal world though I'd maybe get another F82 M4 in Yas Blue as a weekend toy, but i'd never use it enough just now to justify it. Will keep an on the next M4 though to see what they do with it.
I had mate at work who bought a Model 3 Tesla with the 'performance boost' a few years back, I never knew much about them and I was blown away with it when he took me out then let me drive it for a bit. Wouldn't say i fell in love with it, but I 100% got it. It was silly quick, I loved the one pedal driving, I loved the silly man-child stuff you could do with it from the main screen. A car with a sense of humour. Alsmost zero servicing, heat and cool the car from my bed, no keys needed etc
Anyway, long story short, I waited until the new Model 3 Performance arrived at 0% and I instantly jumped on it trading the m4 against it.
Zero regrets almost 2 years in now. It's never given me any problems, quicker than my G90 was, no getting shafted by BM dealers with servcing...
The car was 60K new and PCP'd over 4 years at 0%. Depreciation I couldn't care less about as it will be getting handed back end of term.
It loses points on basic looks, but these days I prefer blending in with a sleeper. Do I miss the noise and occassion of the M4? Not really. In an ideal world though I'd maybe get another F82 M4 in Yas Blue as a weekend toy, but i'd never use it enough just now to justify it. Will keep an on the next M4 though to see what they do with it.
Fred Smith said:
MediumBuild said:
Fairly sure there's no law specifying what it means, so today I've decided it's any BMW over 19 years old.
I work on the assumption that words have to have meaning for communication and ultimately civilisation to work and survive.I get that some words are much easier to define than others, and words like "shed" in this context are pretty vague and different people have different definitions. But I have read many, and my current cars do not meet most of them.
Thank you for your response, which was not at all childish or pointless.
But if you want a good definition, and as you like AI, here is Google's AI definition:-
"AI Overview
A "shed car" is British slang for a decrepit, poorly maintained, or old vehicle. Primarily used to describe a car in poor condition, synonyms include "old banger," "rust bucket," or simply a "bucket". It is often used to describe a car that is barely functional or unsightly, similar to a "POS" (piece of s*it)."
M4cruiser said:
Fred, I'm not the world's most intelligent person, but I have no difficulty comprehending what "shed" means in this context.
But if you want a good definition, and as you like AI, here is Google's AI definition:-
"AI Overview
A "shed car" is British slang for a decrepit, poorly maintained, or old vehicle. Primarily used to describe a car in poor condition, synonyms include "old banger," "rust bucket," or simply a "bucket". It is often used to describe a car that is barely functional or unsightly, similar to a "POS" (piece of s*it)."
I will stick with modern classic thanks as the only part of shed description above my car aligns with is old age at a modest 26 years.But if you want a good definition, and as you like AI, here is Google's AI definition:-
"AI Overview
A "shed car" is British slang for a decrepit, poorly maintained, or old vehicle. Primarily used to describe a car in poor condition, synonyms include "old banger," "rust bucket," or simply a "bucket". It is often used to describe a car that is barely functional or unsightly, similar to a "POS" (piece of s*it)."
I didn’t want an EV. I got it to avoid BIK and save a few quid.
Now I love it and wouldn’t have an ICE as a daily again.
My colleague laughed and stuck with his 2022 diesel.
I went away on business last week and he borrowed mine while his car was in for a service.
He ordered and ID.5 on Friday.
I feel like those knocking EVs are people who have made their mind up without trying one or based on info that is five years out of date.
Incidentally I was charging mine every day when I got it and stressing about range. I don’t have home charging.
Now I never give it a thought and just take advantage of parking spaces in the middle of town or at car parks I am using anyway to top up when I am parking the car anyway.
Now I love it and wouldn’t have an ICE as a daily again.
My colleague laughed and stuck with his 2022 diesel.
I went away on business last week and he borrowed mine while his car was in for a service.
He ordered and ID.5 on Friday.
I feel like those knocking EVs are people who have made their mind up without trying one or based on info that is five years out of date.
Incidentally I was charging mine every day when I got it and stressing about range. I don’t have home charging.
Now I never give it a thought and just take advantage of parking spaces in the middle of town or at car parks I am using anyway to top up when I am parking the car anyway.
Tiglon said:
MightyBadger said:
MediumBuild said:
Evidently not.
The driver would take a hammering in either car in a crash, might have the latest tech but isn't much safer in a crash than a 26 year old car. Would rather improvements and progress were made where it matters rather than nannying aids and iPads?Tell you what else I love that I hadn t really considered before I had my EV
I am lucky enough to live just off one of the best and fastest roads in the British Isles, some would say the world.
The drive to work is 15 minutes:
Within two minutes of leaving the house I hit a no speed limit sign and just floor it. No more waiting for stuff to warm up. Just foot down, smile and go.
I am lucky enough to live just off one of the best and fastest roads in the British Isles, some would say the world.
The drive to work is 15 minutes:
Within two minutes of leaving the house I hit a no speed limit sign and just floor it. No more waiting for stuff to warm up. Just foot down, smile and go.
Edited by Davetheraver on Sunday 26th April 18:12
M4cruiser said:
MightyBadger said:
_Rodders_ said:
Certainly not as low as an original Ford Ka, which is essentially what it's emulating.
1999 ford Ka has a 3 star ncap rating and a 2026 Dacia spring has a 1 star ncap rating, people buying the spring dont care about that anyway.p1stonhead said:
redstar1 said:
eldar said:
As are pedestrians and cyclists. Not that they seem to count.....
They don't pay road tax so shouldn't be anywhere near the roads.I was in London at the weekend, and I was surprised at how many cyclists just pile through red lights at pedestrian crossings where cars don't, so they should get some sort of punishment for not following the rules of the road for me. The green man comes on to cross, but you have to keep checking for cretins on pushbikes still though.
cerb4.5lee said:
They don't, but I pay plenty in VED though. The 370 is £790 a year, and the X5 is over £600 as well.
I was in London at the weekend, and I was surprised at how many cyclists just pile through red lights at pedestrian crossings where cars don't, so they should get some sort of punishment for not following the rules of the road for me. The green man comes on to cross, but you have to keep checking for cretins on pushbikes still though.
Your choice. No-one is forcing you to pay. And it’s not rad tax. I was in London at the weekend, and I was surprised at how many cyclists just pile through red lights at pedestrian crossings where cars don't, so they should get some sort of punishment for not following the rules of the road for me. The green man comes on to cross, but you have to keep checking for cretins on pushbikes still though.
We can do drivers on the phone next eh Lee? FFS.
The cyclists piling across red lights at pedestrian crossings doesn't bother me as an adult don't get me wrong, because I'm old enough now to understand that we live in an "I'm alright Jack" world. However I just noticed it more because I was trying to keep my youngest daughter safe when we're crossing the road that's all. Plus cyclists and cars should both play by the same rules in my book as well, and clearly they don't in my experience(especially in London).
Davetheraver said:
Tell you what else I love that I hadn t really considered before I had my EV
I am lucky enough to live just off one of the best and fastest roads in the British Isles, some would say the world.
The drive to work is 15 minutes:
Within two minutes of leaving the house I hit a no speed limit sign and just floor it. No more waiting for stuff to warm up. Just foot down, smile and go.
Absolutely, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. It's something you quickly take for granted when you daily drive an EV and rarely gets mentioned when discussing them but it's a massive bonus for anyone who lives close to interesting / fast roads. I am lucky enough to live just off one of the best and fastest roads in the British Isles, some would say the world.
The drive to work is 15 minutes:
Within two minutes of leaving the house I hit a no speed limit sign and just floor it. No more waiting for stuff to warm up. Just foot down, smile and go.
Edited by Davetheraver on Sunday 26th April 18:12
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