EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)

[CMTMB]

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

[paralla]

Tiglon said:

I've bought a smart charger but having second thoughts about the EV tariff. Seems like daytime rates go up by 40% to offset the cheap nighttime rate. Pretty marginal vs just staying on normal tariff.

You don't need a smart charger to get an EV tarif.

My Octopus Go EV tarif daytime rate increased 2p/kWh and my nightime rate decreased by 19.5p/kWh from the standard rate.

I work from home, charge a PHEV with an18kWh battery and run the dishwasher, washing machine and dehumidifier on the overnight rate. My average unit cost is usually around 19p/kWh which is a lot less than the standard rate.

With any sort of BEV an EV tarif is a no brainer.

[cerb4.5lee]

CMTMB said:

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

Range is always an interesting/boring topic when it comes to cars I think. I really disliked the fact that I only ever got between 200-250 miles out of the tank in the V8 E92 M3, and I felt like I lived in the petrol station with it for example. However, at least with electric you can just stick it on charge every night if you need to though in comparison, so it's easier in that regard I think, and having a large range arguably becomes less of an issue with electric cars really in my view.

[DSMSMR]

Dubious range specs, wow, who would have thought that in the last 100 years

[CMTMB]

cerb4.5lee said:

CMTMB said:

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

Range is always an interesting/boring topic when it comes to cars I think. I really disliked the fact that I only ever got between 200-250 miles out of the tank in the V8 E92 M3, and I felt like I lived in the petrol station with it for example. However, at least with electric you can just stick it on charge every night if you need to though in comparison, so it's easier in that regard I think, and having a large range arguably becomes less of an issue with electric cars really in my view.

Quite correct Lee, it becomes a bit of an irrelevance when you charge from home. My wife's EV has a ~300 mile range and she has a 120 mile daily commute. It doesn't matter because she has that 300 miles available every morning.

[raspy]

paralla said:

You don't need a smart charger to get an EV tarif.

My Octopus Go EV tarif daytime rate increased 2p/kWh and my nightime rate decreased by 19.5p/kWh from the standard rate.

I work from home, charge a PHEV with an18kWh battery and run the dishwasher, washing machine and dehumidifier on the overnight rate. My average unit cost is usually around 19p/kWh which is a lot less than the standard rate.

With any sort of BEV an EV tarif is a no brainer.

Yep. I'm with Octopus Intelligent Go, and because I work from home, I tend to charge for a few hours every day during peak hours but get charged at off peak rate.

My average unit cost was 10.73p per kwh last month. I do have a 7kw box fitted.

[nickfrog]

CMTMB said:

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

So basically it's the usual official range minus 20% and a bit less in winter. Very predictable.

[cerb4.5lee]

nickfrog said:

CMTMB said:

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

So basically it's the usual official range minus 20% and a bit less in winter. Very predictable.

The ICE X5 doesn't do the same range in the winter as it does in the summer either Nick as you say

[nickfrog]

cerb4.5lee said:

The ICE X5 doesn't do the same range in the winter as it does in the summer either Nick as you say

Have you visited my one-legged exotic lady friend yet? She has recently added to her range of services a heat pump retrofit for diesel X5s, it's really good value as the break even point is about 3 months, or probably 12 days in your case. In addition to the usual multi-buy discount she also offers a stackable discount if you help her stability when she is bent over your engine bay. You have her number already I believe.

[cerb4.5lee]

nickfrog said:

cerb4.5lee said:

The ICE X5 doesn't do the same range in the winter as it does in the summer either Nick as you say

Have you visited my one-legged exotic lady friend yet? She has recently added to her range of services a heat pump retrofit for diesel X5s, it's really good value as the break even point is about 3 months, or probably 12 days in your case. In addition to the usual multi-buy discount she also offers a stackable discount if you help her stability when she is bent over your engine bay. You have her number already I believe.

[Inlineonline]

cerb4.5lee said:

nickfrog said:

CMTMB said:

Range figures are always a bit tricky because it depends on so many factors - driving style, type of roads, temperature. My cars quoted range is 285 miles and I've had exactly that out of it but that was in absolutely perfect conditions, eco mode, heater off, max regen, not exceeding 60mph. In real world conditions I get around 190 in freezing winter conditions, and 220 in summer. Which is more than enough for me thankfully.

I don't really see it any differently to ICE though - I've never had a car that could achieve the quoted MPG in 'normal' conditions.

So basically it's the usual official range minus 20% and a bit less in winter. Very predictable.

The ICE X5 doesn't do the same range in the winter as it does in the summer either Nick as you say

Shame you haven't got a petrol station at home then.

[M4cruiser]

Jazzert501 said:

Has anyone bought a sub £6k full ev recently?
Kia soul, Leaf, MG5 or similar?
I am thinking bout getting something cheap n cheerful 120 mile range. We have a charger already and both leases are going soon.I now know evs work for us and 99% of the time 120 miles range works as well.

Well yes, my Leaf is now a sub £6K motor, but it wasn't when I bought it.
Leaf 40 will see you 120 miles with no problems in the summer.
More like 100 in the winter.
As a basic EV it's just great.

[Jazzert501]

Having had a word with myself....I think any of these might be a better plan......All under £6500 better range, warranty etc.

[tamore]

R4. all day long.

[MediumBuild]

That is the correct answer.

[duff]

M4cruiser said:

Jazzert501 said:

Has anyone bought a sub £6k full ev recently?
Kia soul, Leaf, MG5 or similar?
I am thinking bout getting something cheap n cheerful 120 mile range. We have a charger already and both leases are going soon.I now know evs work for us and 99% of the time 120 miles range works as well.

Well yes, my Leaf is now a sub £6K motor, but it wasn't when I bought it.
Leaf 40 will see you 120 miles with no problems in the summer.
More like 100 in the winter.
As a basic EV it's just great.

I’ve had 2 on lease over the last 5 years and 60k miles. 130 average, up to 150 summer and as low as 100 in the very coldest conditions (this was mainly motorway miles) 4.1 m/kWh average

Once my current lease is up I’m looking to buy something for around £6k, probably another Leaf. My commute has dropped from 45 miles each way to 3 so range not an issue. Tekna spec has everything I need and at £6k, depreciation isn’t a concern. Otherwise a high mileage iD3 for about £9k is an option, just to try something different.

[plfrench]

duff said:

I ve had 2 on lease over the last 5 years and 60k miles. 130 average, up to 150 summer and as low as 100 in the very coldest conditions (this was mainly motorway miles) 4.1 m/kWh average

Once my current lease is up I m looking to buy something for around £6k, probably another Leaf. My commute has dropped from 45 miles each way to 3 so range not an issue. Tekna spec has everything I need and at £6k, depreciation isn t a concern. Otherwise a high mileage iD3 for about £9k is an option, just to try something different.

For that sort of mileage, assuming you don’t regularly do much longer non-commute trips, a Mazda MX-30 might be worth a look too:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202605102...

[occasionalranter]

tamore said:

R4. all day long.

I can see the cloth retractable roof is now showing as an option on purchases via DrivetheDeal. Presumably that means you can spec it on lease orders as well ? About £1300 I think ? I'm not normally in favour of adding options to lease cars, but this might be worth the extra £1.(whatever) a day ?

[alfabeat]

We have a R4 Iconic (our first EV) and it is brilliant I have to say. Our lease is for 10,000 miles pa, but I think at the current usage we will be significantly over that, as we use it for every possible journey. It is much better than I thought it would be. Looks great as well (internally and externally) and compared to its competitors it wins hands down in that department.

[Gerradi]

Watching this makes a mockery of the Thread Title...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHBt1mBj3gA