EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)

[loudlashadjuster]

Fred Smith said:

alfabeat said:

We have a R4 Iconic (our first EV) and it is brilliant I have to say. Our lease is for 10,000 miles pa, but I think at the current usage we will be significantly over that, as we use it for every possible journey. It is much better than I thought it would be. Looks great as well (internally and externally) and compared to its competitors it wins hands down in that department.

I am genuinely not sure that I could buy a car that was called "Iconic". The average f-ing Ferrari is not "iconic", and I a damn sure that a Renault ev isn't either.

It's a trim level mate

Do other trim levels like Elegance (on humdrum diesel hatchbacks), Sport (on decidedly unsporting and underpowered SUVs), or Passion (on possibly the least passionate car available) attract your ire in the same way?

Edit: you don't say what you drive, Fred. What is the mighty steed that you have deigned to purchase?

Edited by loudlashadjuster on Wednesday 20th May 08:50

[sixor8]

Gerradi said:

Watching this makes a mockery of the Thread Title...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHBt1mBj3gA

All UK cars, prices in Euros?? Watching it to see if I've missed anything though. Why is the 1.3 multijet such a timing chain disaster in the 600X? I've had 2 x Panda multijets that only had annoying EGR issues, and the same engine in a Suzuki Splash and a Swift, the Swift issue was the DPF clogging up. No timing chain issues, 155k miles on the first Panda!

[66HFM]

maz8062 said:

I drove an Ionic 9 for 200 miles this week. That thing is like a bus - huge, and costs £70k. But it is a game changer.

The thing floats, has every conceivable extra including 8 seats and wafts along like a RR.

No, the game changer is the battery range. The thing started out with 100% charge and an estimated range of 325 miles. I drove 200 miles at a steady 70 mph, ac blasting and Spotify looking after the tunes. At the end of 200 miles there was 47% battery remaining and 125 miles of range. The predictability of the range is the game changer.

Is the range correct though? As 200 miles using 53% charge = 3.77kmh, so 47% @ 3.77kmh = 177 miles.
Sorry for the boring maths calculation although I appreciate better to underestimate than overestimate...

Our e:Ny1 range is a mystery and fairly little logic as to how it calculates it...

[Tiglon]

loudlashadjuster said:

It's a trim level mate

Do other trim levels like Elegance (on humdrum diesel hatchbacks), Sport (on decidedly unsporting and underpowered SUVs), or Passion (on possibly the least passionate car available) attract your ire in the same way?

Edit: you don't say what you drive, Fred. What is the mighty steed that you have deigned to purchase?

Edited by loudlashadjuster on Wednesday 20th May 08:50

My last car was an Elegance. It was not Elegant. I was ok with it.

Before that had the Design Pure Traction trim. No idea what that was supposed to mean.

My phone is an Ultra. I've never seen it turn up in the shouty part of a Serie A crowd.

Names for things are often silly, but it's less depressing than giving literal names for things describing exactly what they are.

[CMTMB]

Fred Smith said:

alfabeat said:

We have a R4 Iconic (our first EV) and it is brilliant I have to say. Our lease is for 10,000 miles pa, but I think at the current usage we will be significantly over that, as we use it for every possible journey. It is much better than I thought it would be. Looks great as well (internally and externally) and compared to its competitors it wins hands down in that department.

I am genuinely not sure that I could buy a car that was called "Iconic". The average f-ing Ferrari is not "iconic", and I a damn sure that a Renault ev isn't either.

Thanks for letting us know.

[MediumBuild]

CMTMB said:

Thanks for letting us know.

20 year old shed though. ICONIC.

[occasionalranter]

I used to have a Ford S-Max Titanium. It's just occurred to me that it probably wasn't actually made of titanium. I think Fred may be onto something.

[RizzoTheRat]

I draw the line at the Taycan Turbo though. Annoys the crap of of me.

[sixor8]

66HFM said:

Is the range correct though? As 200 miles using 53% charge = 3.77kmh, so 47% @ 3.77kmh = 177 miles.
Sorry for the boring maths calculation although I appreciate better to underestimate than overestimate...

Our e:Ny1 range is a mystery and fairly little logic as to how it calculates it...

I've had an eNy1 for over 2 years and I find the range extremely accurate. Do you change your style of driving a lot during journeys? All it can do is predict range based on previous use, recalculating if the current use varies a lot. I've got home with 1% battery twice, and once to a public charger. That was because I upped my speed a fair bit on the A14.

[otolith]

Is there anything less "Avantgarde" than a Mercedes E class estate?

[andrewpandrew]

Fred Smith said:

otolith said:

Is there anything less "Avantgarde" than a Mercedes E class estate?

Nonsense names are less offensive than names which overstate the product by a million percent.

I think you're overthinking things again. HTH.

[CMTMB]

Fred Smith said:

occasionalranter said:

I used to have a Ford S-Max Titanium. It's just occurred to me that it probably wasn't actually made of titanium. I think Fred may be onto something.

Funnily enough my missus has a Titanium Fiesta.

See, this is the problem. You keep judging us all by the high standards you and your missus have achieved. You need to remember we can't all afford such driver focused exotica.

[occasionalranter]

Fred Smith said:

Funnily enough my missus has a Titanium Fiesta. It is a silly name which is off-putting.

But cetain things are beyond the pale and are literal deal-breakers by themselves. I would argue that calling a car less special than an F40 "Iconic" is one of them.

I preferred Titanium to Ghia, which seemed fogey-ish and used to be the level above Zetec (in fact Ford were still calling the highest Galaxy trim Ghia for a few years while the 95% identical S-Max from the same assembly plant had moved to Titanium...).

Also, I had a crush on Sia.

[nickfrog]

Fred Smith said:

I am genuinely not sure that I could buy a car that was called "Iconic". The average f-ing Ferrari is not "iconic", and I a damn sure that a Renault ev isn't either.

You're fragile in the extreme Fred. It's just a word that doesn't even appear on the car. No one would know and no one would care anyway.

[MrWideFit]

Fred Smith said:

nickfrog said:

You're fragile in the extreme Fred. It's just a word that doesn't even appear on the car. No one would know and no one would care anyway.

It's not fragility.

It is a firm, brave, principled stand against utter bullst.

Calling a car "Iconic" is trivial, yes. But I object because it is symptomatic of the utter bullst that is increasingly tolerated across society. Every single person who goes along with the idea that a bang average EV is called "Iconic" and that's fine is normalizing bullst everywhere, and bullst destroys society

Sometimes i think this place harbours the insane

[PBCD]

occasionalranter said:

I used to have a Ford S-Max Titanium. It's just occurred to me that it probably wasn't actually made of titanium.
I think Fred may be onto something.

Fixed that for you...

[MrWideFit]

Fred Smith said:

MrWideFit said:

Sometimes i think this place harbours the insane

Are you saying bullst isn't harmful?

Or are you saying that bullst is not normalized as a result of constant bullst everywhere?

Or is there another option i am missing?

I am saying that such an aggressive reaction to the name of a trim on a car is simply bizarre,

Wait till you hear about the mid range trim on the new grande panda

[CMTMB]

Fred Smith said:

are you nuts?

Yes Fred. I'm the one who's nuts. You're completely normal and sane. Your posts and time spend on the EV threads are all the behaviour of a rational person.

[MediumBuild]

It's a fking trim level. Get over it.

[loudlashadjuster]

"Nurse! He's ranting about trim levels again!"