EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
cerb4.5lee said:
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Is it safe to say that even less people will want an EV going forward now! 
This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
I think you're missing the point. I can't speak for everyone, but these charges wouldn't alter my view on EV's and I'd still definitely have one. I always assumed they'd get taxed more eventually and they'd still be better and cheaper than ICE.This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
The issue is that it just gives sceptics such as yourself a reason not to get one. An invalid reason, in my mind, but will still massively slow the rate of transfer from ICE to EV.
This why I think introducing these costs now are such a bad idea - people will conflate an increase in costs, to costing more than ICE, it doesn't. So don't worry we'll still get you in an EV eventually.
SDK said:
It's still 30% of nothing to run an EV 
For sure there will be financial 'steers' to get people out of ICE.
e.g. In France they are taxing people 60,000, for new higher polluting vehicles
An higher polluting is anything over 193g. £60k on top of the purchase price must be having a huge impact on the ICE performance / sports car market. Not that the French are into them as much as we are.For sure there will be financial 'steers' to get people out of ICE.
e.g. In France they are taxing people 60,000, for new higher polluting vehicles
I would need an ICE car with 120mpg efficiency to equal an EV even
accounting for a 3p/ mile charge.
My wife commented ‘you’ll have to work from home a bit more if they bring this in!’ however which shows how stupid this is in terms of the messaging.
People can’t or won’t do the basic maths to see that this in no way undermines the case for an EV compared to petrol or diesel whichever form of charging you use.
It will prove a barrier to EV adoption which is directly counter to the direction we should be going in and the Governments own stated policy.
Foot meet shotgun
accounting for a 3p/ mile charge.
My wife commented ‘you’ll have to work from home a bit more if they bring this in!’ however which shows how stupid this is in terms of the messaging.
People can’t or won’t do the basic maths to see that this in no way undermines the case for an EV compared to petrol or diesel whichever form of charging you use.
It will prove a barrier to EV adoption which is directly counter to the direction we should be going in and the Governments own stated policy.
Foot meet shotgun
JQ said:
Absolute rubbish, the UK Government has a long history of introducing cost effective, efficient systems on time and well within budget. What would possibly go wrong?
I guarantee they'd have it up and running by 2064, well within the £50billion budget, and 10 years after we've all started travelling via our tax free methane powered personal jet packs that assign cars to the history books.
I heard Fujitsu are going to bid for it - one way to get the Post Office money back lolI guarantee they'd have it up and running by 2064, well within the £50billion budget, and 10 years after we've all started travelling via our tax free methane powered personal jet packs that assign cars to the history books.
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Is it safe to say that even less people will want an EV going forward now!
This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
I think you're missing the point. I can't speak for everyone, but these charges wouldn't alter my view on EV's and I'd still definitely have one. I always assumed they'd get taxed more eventually and they'd still be better and cheaper than ICE.This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
The issue is that it just gives sceptics such as yourself a reason not to get one. An invalid reason, in my mind, but will still massively slow the rate of transfer from ICE to EV.
This why I think introducing these costs now are such a bad idea - people will conflate an increase in costs, to costing more than ICE, it doesn't. So don't worry we'll still get you in an EV eventually.
I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
eldar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Apparently BMW are loaning me an iX1 on Monday when the M4 goes in for it's service. So I'll let you know how I get on with it.
I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
You'll hate it.I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
cerb4.5lee said:
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Is it safe to say that even less people will want an EV going forward now!
This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
I think you're missing the point. I can't speak for everyone, but these charges wouldn't alter my view on EV's and I'd still definitely have one. I always assumed they'd get taxed more eventually and they'd still be better and cheaper than ICE.This thread will go on forever at this rate I reckon.
Thank goodness I'm a dinosaur, and I don't always get it right, but swerving electric doesn't seem such a bad idea now in fairness...well until the government tax me out of ICE anyway...
The issue is that it just gives sceptics such as yourself a reason not to get one. An invalid reason, in my mind, but will still massively slow the rate of transfer from ICE to EV.
This why I think introducing these costs now are such a bad idea - people will conflate an increase in costs, to costing more than ICE, it doesn't. So don't worry we'll still get you in an EV eventually.
I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
FiF said:
Just to add from the Tellegraph clip I note the following.
"EV drivers will be asked to estimate the number of miles they will drive in the year ahead and pay a fee, set in the current plan at 3p per mile.
If the owner does not drive that amount, some of the money carries over into the next year."
Everyone will just massively underestimate their annual mileage. I presume you will have to make an annual declaration of your actual mileage, which they will have no means of checking until your car needs an MOT. If you sell the car they will also need to reference the mileage at sale and know what the mileage was at the start of the charging period - which itself will cause an issue."EV drivers will be asked to estimate the number of miles they will drive in the year ahead and pay a fee, set in the current plan at 3p per mile.
If the owner does not drive that amount, some of the money carries over into the next year."
What if I declare my starting mileage much higher than it actually is? For example if I had a car on 10k miles at the start of the tax year, what if I say the mileage at the start was 15k? Unless they send someone to do a “meter reading” on my car, they don’t have a clue what the mileage is.
So if this tax comes in, I could over-state my current odometer reading at the start and underestimate my future mileage. It’s only going to work once tied into consecutive MOT mileage readings unless they implement a physical annual checking system. Maybe rely on an insurance mileage declaration to put people off giving false mileage readings at the start.
uktrailmonster said:
Everyone will just massively underestimate their annual mileage. I presume you will have to make an annual declaration of your actual mileage, which they will have no means of checking until your car needs an MOT. If you sell the car they will also need to reference the mileage at sale and know what the mileage was at the start of the charging period - which itself will cause an issue.
What if I declare my starting mileage much higher than it actually is? For example if I had a car on 10k miles at the start of the tax year, what if I say the mileage at the start was 15k? Unless they send someone to do a meter reading on my car, they don t have a clue what the mileage is.
So if this tax comes in, I could over-state my current odometer reading at the start and underestimate my future mileage. It s only going to work once tied into consecutive MOT mileage readings unless they implement a physical annual checking system. Maybe rely on an insurance mileage declaration to put people off giving false mileage readings at the start.
Again they can't do this until the cars have an MOT so for the first 3 years you could just lie. Then when you return the car if lease or on PCP etc, the Government will not know. What if I declare my starting mileage much higher than it actually is? For example if I had a car on 10k miles at the start of the tax year, what if I say the mileage at the start was 15k? Unless they send someone to do a meter reading on my car, they don t have a clue what the mileage is.
So if this tax comes in, I could over-state my current odometer reading at the start and underestimate my future mileage. It s only going to work once tied into consecutive MOT mileage readings unless they implement a physical annual checking system. Maybe rely on an insurance mileage declaration to put people off giving false mileage readings at the start.
It is a stupid idea and if this is to make up money that they need. Maybe they should look at themselves. Many of them have multiple homes, pay naff all tax, allow certain companies to pay hardly any tax etc. That's just a few examples.
Ankh87 said:
Again they can't do this until the cars have an MOT so for the first 3 years you could just lie. Then when you return the car if lease or on PCP etc, the Government will not know.
It is a stupid idea and if this is to make up money that they need. Maybe they should look at themselves. Many of them have multiple homes, pay naff all tax, allow certain companies to pay hardly any tax etc. That's just a few examples.
They might try to do it via insurance declarations instead. So a bit like with Classic car policies. You could still lie about your mileage, but it might not end well if you have an accident. It is a stupid idea and if this is to make up money that they need. Maybe they should look at themselves. Many of them have multiple homes, pay naff all tax, allow certain companies to pay hardly any tax etc. That's just a few examples.
cerb4.5lee said:
eldar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Apparently BMW are loaning me an iX1 on Monday when the M4 goes in for it's service. So I'll let you know how I get on with it.
I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
You'll hate it.I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
JQ said:
When you collect it, ask them to disable all the speed bings and bongs and the driver assistance aids - if left on the car will brake for corners and traffic, and sound alarms when over the speed limit, which I found very irritating. Once disabled they stay off. The only thing you can't permanently disable is the lane departure warning, you either have to turn it off for every journey or just use your indicators irrespective of whether or not they're needed.
They're going to hand it over with no charge in the battery and set in eco-driving mode otolith said:
JQ said:
When you collect it, ask them to disable all the speed bings and bongs and the driver assistance aids - if left on the car will brake for corners and traffic, and sound alarms when over the speed limit, which I found very irritating. Once disabled they stay off. The only thing you can't permanently disable is the lane departure warning, you either have to turn it off for every journey or just use your indicators irrespective of whether or not they're needed.
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