EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
JQ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
eldar said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Apparently BMW are loaning me an iX1 on Monday when the M4 goes in for it's service. So I'll let you know how I get on with it. 
I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
You'll hate it.I'd personally like the quicker 30 model, but I'm presuming it will be the 20 model though.
Pandox2096 said:
otolith said:
JQ said:
When you collect it, ask them to disable all the speed bings and bongs and the driver assistance aids - if left on the car will brake for corners and traffic, and sound alarms when over the speed limit, which I found very irritating. Once disabled they stay off. The only thing you can't permanently disable is the lane departure warning, you either have to turn it off for every journey or just use your indicators irrespective of whether or not they're needed.
They're going to hand it over with no charge in the battery and set in eco-driving mode I regret buying an EV
Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
- The range is pathetic. Peak summer I could get 180 miles out of it in mixed driving, against a claimed figure of 208
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
- public charging is problematic, especially away from main motorway networks. Recently had a business trip to Aberystwyth; very little charging infrastructure and the prices were insane, one charger was £1.05 a KW.
- on a plus point, the EV drives far nicer than the diesel or petrol versions; it s not even close. The weight of the batteries keep it glued to the road and it s seems to suit the chassis, work colleagues who drive the diesel van version have tried it and said the same the EV version drives far nicer.
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Thursday 6th November 13:36
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Thursday 6th November 13:37
ACCYSTAN said:
I regret buying an EV
Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up at 3 times more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
It s meant to be 2025 and o can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that s how it feels
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
How many miles do you do a week? Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
- the range is pathetic. Peak summer I could get 180 miles out of it in mixed driving, against a claimed figure of 208
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up at 3 times more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
It s meant to be 2025 and o can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that s how it feels
- public charging is problematic, especially away from main motorway networks. Recently had a business trip to Aberystwyth; very little charging infrastructure and the prices were insane, one charger was £1.05 a KW.
- on a plus point, the EV drives far nicer than the diesel or petrol versions; it s not even close. The weight of the batteries keep it glued to the road and it s seems to suit the chassis, work colleagues who drive the diesel van version have tried it and said the same the EV version drives far nicer.
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
I do a lot of miles and I'm not bothered by the range I get in my M3LR at all. I just put it on charge on an evening, sometimes don't even do that if I know I'm not off on a long drive the next day.
Ankh87 said:
Again they can't do this until the cars have an MOT so for the first 3 years you could just lie. Then when you return the car if lease or on PCP etc, the Government will not know.
It is a stupid idea and if this is to make up money that they need. Maybe they should look at themselves. Many of them have multiple homes, pay naff all tax, allow certain companies to pay hardly any tax etc. That's just a few examples.
Careful the thought police will be on you for accusing our illustrious leaders of being anything less than perfect……It is a stupid idea and if this is to make up money that they need. Maybe they should look at themselves. Many of them have multiple homes, pay naff all tax, allow certain companies to pay hardly any tax etc. That's just a few examples.
Oh wait they are absolutely incompetent and just in it for themselves cheating and stealing all the way, carry on
ACCYSTAN said:
I regret buying an EV
Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
I would posit that a Vauxhall Combo Life MPV is never the right choice...Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
- The range is pathetic. Peak summer I could get 180 miles out of it in mixed driving, against a claimed figure of 208
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
- public charging is problematic, especially away from main motorway networks. Recently had a business trip to Aberystwyth; very little charging infrastructure and the prices were insane, one charger was £1.05 a KW.
- on a plus point, the EV drives far nicer than the diesel or petrol versions; it s not even close. The weight of the batteries keep it glued to the road and it s seems to suit the chassis, work colleagues who drive the diesel van version have tried it and said the same the EV version drives far nicer.
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
ACCYSTAN said:
My driving varies, some days around 450 miles.
I wish there was a way to pay for a battery upgrade or a battery software upgrade to improve the range output.
Or for there to be a shed load more Tesla superchargers around the UK
That thing you did: it was a bonkers thing. I wish there was a way to pay for a battery upgrade or a battery software upgrade to improve the range output.
Or for there to be a shed load more Tesla superchargers around the UK
Sell the car and get one that suits the job you need it to do.
ACCYSTAN said:
My driving varies, some days around 450 miles.
I wish there was a way to pay for a battery upgrade or a battery software upgrade to improve the range output.
Or for there to be a shed load more Tesla superchargers around the UK
That daily mileage is currently outside of recommended EV use!I wish there was a way to pay for a battery upgrade or a battery software upgrade to improve the range output.
Or for there to be a shed load more Tesla superchargers around the UK
ACCYSTAN said:
I regret buying an EV
Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
Is the range issue not a lack of research, you've bought a van without the range you needed. Although you do seem to be doing rather well against the actual range figures :Purchased a pre reg Vauxhall combo Life MPV earlier this year and my main 2 issues are as follows -
- The range is pathetic. Peak summer I could get 180 miles out of it in mixed driving, against a claimed figure of 208
The car itself is great, it s exactly what I want in terms of space and practicality. Just the EV is frustrating to use as compared to the diesel and petrol version both of which I have owned, I am having to fill it up 3 X more often.
It s also a headache to live with, I would never think twice in my previous petrol or diesel version putting on the heater or using the air con but now I check if I have enough range and have a few times be unable to use functions such as air con or the heater as I know it drains the range.
Its meant to be 2025 and I can t help think these crappy range on Stellantis EVs is sending us backwards, that is how I feel
- public charging is problematic, especially away from main motorway networks. Recently had a business trip to Aberystwyth; very little charging infrastructure and the prices were insane, one charger was £1.05 a KW.
- on a plus point, the EV drives far nicer than the diesel or petrol versions; it s not even close. The weight of the batteries keep it glued to the road and it s seems to suit the chassis, work colleagues who drive the diesel van version have tried it and said the same the EV version drives far nicer.
Right car, wrong fuel choice.
For those who haven t done their research and asking would the Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota version of this vehicle be any better, the answer is no they all use the same battery tech, the same as the ICE versions they are 99% identical Stellantis products.
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Thursday 6th November 13:36
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Thursday 6th November 13:37
My wife got an EV with crap range, but we knew that before we got it, so it wasn't an issue as it was only used for local journeys.
Aberystwyth has a Tesla Supercharger site that you could have used for £0.55.
I probably will sell it at Christmas when I have 2 weeks off and get a petrol or diesel version.
EVs are frustrating to live with
Mi would have another EV but with 2 stipulations
1. Minimum claimed range of 400 miles
2. Not a Stellantis product
There are very few 400 mile EVs on the market, none of which are big enough like a van MPV for my needs.
Infact none of the van MPVs do much more than 200 miles, some of the Fords such as the Tourneo Courier EV are worse than the Stellantis models with only 177 max claimed range.
Even the new Kia PV5 passenger in long range is only claiming 253 miles.
Aerodynamics of a brick are great for practicality, terrible for EV range.
EVs are frustrating to live with
Mi would have another EV but with 2 stipulations
1. Minimum claimed range of 400 miles
2. Not a Stellantis product
There are very few 400 mile EVs on the market, none of which are big enough like a van MPV for my needs.
Infact none of the van MPVs do much more than 200 miles, some of the Fords such as the Tourneo Courier EV are worse than the Stellantis models with only 177 max claimed range.
Even the new Kia PV5 passenger in long range is only claiming 253 miles.
Aerodynamics of a brick are great for practicality, terrible for EV range.
Well it’s based on Van but it’s the passenger version
But I take your point, they are van MPVs aka vans with extra windows and seats
I must admit, I did not look up the highway range only the headline range of 213 miles.
Some days I only do 20-30 miles so it’s no issue, but I do see people in rural areas which can be a long drive and well as it’s been established, EVs and long range is not there yet.
I’m not anti EV; I just wish they were better.
But I take your point, they are van MPVs aka vans with extra windows and seats
I must admit, I did not look up the highway range only the headline range of 213 miles.
Some days I only do 20-30 miles so it’s no issue, but I do see people in rural areas which can be a long drive and well as it’s been established, EVs and long range is not there yet.
I’m not anti EV; I just wish they were better.
If you are doing over 250 miles a day then an EV isn't the right choice if you can't charge up at location or stop to charge up. It would be like buying any car such as a WRX STI and saying it can't do 400 miles on a tank of petrol. If you can stop to put fuel in, you can stop to charge up. Most EVs will charge up to 70% in like 10 minutes from a fast charger. You just need the right EV.
In your case though 450 miles a day is huge. That's around 6.5 hours driving a day. Do you actually work or just drive around all day?
In your case though 450 miles a day is huge. That's around 6.5 hours driving a day. Do you actually work or just drive around all day?
ACCYSTAN said:
Well it s based on Van but it s the passenger version
But I take your point, they are van MPVs aka vans with extra windows and seats
I must admit, I did not look up the highway range only the headline range of 213 miles.
Some days I only do 20-30 miles so it s no issue, but I do see people in rural areas which can be a long drive and well as it s been established, EVs and long range is not there yet.
I m not anti EV; I just wish they were better.
This site is great for checking real world range : https://ev-database.org/ukBut I take your point, they are van MPVs aka vans with extra windows and seats
I must admit, I did not look up the highway range only the headline range of 213 miles.
Some days I only do 20-30 miles so it s no issue, but I do see people in rural areas which can be a long drive and well as it s been established, EVs and long range is not there yet.
I m not anti EV; I just wish they were better.
Could you get away with a car? One of my mates is a handyman - boarding lofts, fitting bathrooms and basic building work. He uses a Tesla Model 3 and absolutely loves it. Makes me cry every time I see the inside of his car as the car now looks like the inside of a builders van, but he's happy.
JQ said:
When you collect it, ask them to disable all the speed bings and bongs and the driver assistance aids - if left on the car will brake for corners and traffic, and sound alarms when over the speed limit, which I found very irritating. Once disabled they stay off. The only thing you can't permanently disable is the lane departure warning, you either have to turn it off for every journey or just use your indicators irrespective of whether or not they're needed.
Depends on the age of the car, since last summer it's mandatory to have the bongs if you go over the limit, and you can only turn them off temporarily, the next time you start the car they'll be on again. And of course this is for all cars not just EVs
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