EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
MightyBadger said:
6 hours if cheap charging is better than none I suppose. New tech will see charging times plummet at some point in the future anyway.
The limitation is the house's ability to supply more power, not the car's ability to consume it. Lots of cars will AC charge at 22kW, others at 11kW, almost everyone is unable to supply more than 7kW. For most people, it's an irrelevance, they don't need to charge faster because they don't consume enough energy daily to need more than they can stick into the car in 6 hours.
Just reading Mammasaid's post it seems my answer is in there.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
SpeckledJim said:
Just reading Mammasaid's post it seems my answer is in there.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
Or set up OIG not to charge when it isn't cheap rate.If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
otolith said:
SpeckledJim said:
Just reading Mammasaid's post it seems my answer is in there.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
Or set up OIG not to charge when it isn't cheap rate.If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
otolith said:
MightyBadger said:
6 hours if cheap charging is better than none I suppose. New tech will see charging times plummet at some point in the future anyway.
The limitation is the house's ability to supply more power, not the car's ability to consume it. Lots of cars will AC charge at 22kW, others at 11kW, almost everyone is unable to supply more than 7kW. For most people, it's an irrelevance, they don't need to charge faster because they don't consume enough energy daily to need more than they can stick into the car in 6 hours.
SpeckledJim said:
Curious to see how this works with Intelligent Go.
As it stands if I plug in at 6pm and the car starts charging, the whole house swaps to 7.5p. Then between 2330 and 0530 the guaranteed hours are also at 7.5p and that's when my Powerwall is set to charge.
I don't want the car eating the discounted hours in the evening and then the Powerwall charging at normal rate. I expect that's not the way it'll work but I'd like to find out.
Aren't you the cause of the problem here Jim As it stands if I plug in at 6pm and the car starts charging, the whole house swaps to 7.5p. Then between 2330 and 0530 the guaranteed hours are also at 7.5p and that's when my Powerwall is set to charge.
I don't want the car eating the discounted hours in the evening and then the Powerwall charging at normal rate. I expect that's not the way it'll work but I'd like to find out.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Monday 15th December 11:41
MightyBadger said:
6 hours if cheap charging is better than none I suppose. New tech will see charging times plummet at some point in the future anyway.
It’s all that most people would ever need. For me it’s roughly 60% charge or approx 160 miles at a cost of 2 p/mile. Any extra would be charged at 8 p/mile. MightyBadger said:
6 hours if cheap charging is better than none I suppose. New tech will see charging times plummet at some point in the future anyway.
Exactly. It's all good MB. For what it's worth, I think people are too harsh on you as you can't help it, you're just trying to help.barryrs said:
SpeckledJim said:
Curious to see how this works with Intelligent Go.
As it stands if I plug in at 6pm and the car starts charging, the whole house swaps to 7.5p. Then between 2330 and 0530 the guaranteed hours are also at 7.5p and that's when my Powerwall is set to charge.
I don't want the car eating the discounted hours in the evening and then the Powerwall charging at normal rate. I expect that's not the way it'll work but I'd like to find out.
Aren't you the cause of the problem here Jim As it stands if I plug in at 6pm and the car starts charging, the whole house swaps to 7.5p. Then between 2330 and 0530 the guaranteed hours are also at 7.5p and that's when my Powerwall is set to charge.
I don't want the car eating the discounted hours in the evening and then the Powerwall charging at normal rate. I expect that's not the way it'll work but I'd like to find out.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Monday 15th December 11:41
As I understand it, the real crims are setting their EVs to charge very slowly, so it takes forever to fill the car and in the meantime they heat their houses with 3 bar electric fires!
My car charges at the 'standard' 7kW.
During the guaranteed hours, Octopus are making hay from my Powerwall charging, because they're always getting paid by me for selling it, and also often getting paid by the suppliers for taking it. Good business!
SpeckledJim said:
otolith said:
SpeckledJim said:
Just reading Mammasaid's post it seems my answer is in there.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
Or set up OIG not to charge when it isn't cheap rate.If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
otolith said:
SpeckledJim said:
otolith said:
SpeckledJim said:
Just reading Mammasaid's post it seems my answer is in there.
If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
Or set up OIG not to charge when it isn't cheap rate.If the car is basically empty and needs 8 hours, starts at 6pm, and so overlaps the guaranteed hours, then the house and powerwall are at 7.5p and the last 90 minutes for the car, and only the car, are standard rate.
The way to beat that is to set the charge target for the car to, say, 60% on the first night, and then back to 100% for the following night.
I've no problem with Octopus making this change if a number of customers have been taking the piss.
SpeckledJim said:
Ah! Brill, that works fine then. I sometimes use a whole sparktank in a day, but never two days in a row, so splitting the return to 100% over two days has no impact.
I've no problem with Octopus making this change if a number of customers have been taking the piss.
Same here. It was clearly not sustainable for them with too many “gamers” taking full advantage. I never bothered to give it that much thought. I just plug it in and leave it to do its thing. The dishwasher and washing machine are 24-7 ops in our house! I've no problem with Octopus making this change if a number of customers have been taking the piss.
Me too. It's nice to see the car start charging as soon as I'm home, as dinner and TV and a bit of electric heating will be effectively free, but we can't be arsed to load-shift domestic stuff into the night. Our electric bill, including running two EVs for about 30,000 miles, is about £750 a year. Albeit with some expensive PV gubbins and a PW.
Honda bringing a (sort of) EV Kei car to UK with the Super-N
It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
FiF said:
Honda bringing a (sort of) EV Kei car to UK with the Super-N
It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
Looks like quite a cool little thing. It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
ChocolateFrog said:
FiF said:
Honda bringing a (sort of) EV Kei car to UK with the Super-N
It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
Looks like quite a cool little thing. It doesn't quite meet Kei car dimensions on width due to wheel arch extensions, wider wheels and suspension mods all with the intention of making it a fun car.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-c...
I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Kei cars is they tend to be very boxy these days. If they're going to bring Kei cars to Europe something like the Dihatsu Copen looks far nicer.
I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
But that's not a Kei car, it's a reskinned Citroen Ami, i.e a quadricycle, limited to 28mph.I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Kei cars is they tend to be very boxy these days. If they're going to bring Kei cars to Europe something like the Dihatsu Copen looks far nicer.
I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
Just like the Ami, challenging looks.I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
MightyBadger said:
They have always been going up since I started driving, it's nothing new. I don't even look at prices when filling. Couldn't tell you how much a litre is.
Would be more annoyed if I was limited to how much fuel I could put in my car when filling up.
MB instructing the proles on how cheap petrol is. He is, after all, considerably richer than us.Would be more annoyed if I was limited to how much fuel I could put in my car when filling up.
Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 15th December 10:58
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