EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
RizzoTheRat said:
The trouble with Kei cars is they tend to be very boxy these days. If they're going to bring Kei cars to Europe something like the Dihatsu Copen looks far nicer.
I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
These look infinitely prettier on the streets of Rome.I saw a Fiat Topolino the other day, it is not a pretty car
MightyBadger said:
SpeckledJim said:
Well, this is something you can do about them
No thanks.Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
I don't think that last paragraph is right. Just because someone has plenty of money doesn't mean that they don't pay attention to how it's spent.Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
It's a bit like the standard comment you might expect when asking the price of something expensive ("if you have to ask you can't afford it"). I'm lucky enough to be in the position why I can buy pretty much what I want. It doesn't mean that I don't expect value for money though.
Richard-D said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
I don't think that last paragraph is right. Just because someone has plenty of money doesn't mean that they don't pay attention to how it's spent.Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
Edited by andrewpandrew on Monday 15th December 17:56
Richard-D said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
I don't think that last paragraph is right. Just because someone has plenty of money doesn't mean that they don't pay attention to how it's spent.Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
It's a bit like the standard comment you might expect when asking the price of something expensive ("if you have to ask you can't afford it"). I'm lucky enough to be in the position why I can buy pretty much what I want. It doesn't mean that I don't expect value for money though.
Richard-D said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
I don't think that last paragraph is right. Just because someone has plenty of money doesn't mean that they don't pay attention to how it's spent.Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
It's a bit like the standard comment you might expect when asking the price of something expensive ("if you have to ask you can't afford it"). I'm lucky enough to be in the position why I can buy pretty much what I want. It doesn't mean that I don't expect value for money though.
Most owners do seem to bang on about "the cheaper running costs" and "how efficient" electric is though, whereas if I was seriously wealthy, then that wouldn't necessarily be something that I'd think about really, and I'd be rolling around in a petrol V8 rather than electric for example.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
I wouldn't class myself as poor, but I'm always interested in saving money where I can. I found the comment above about not even looking at the price of petrol before filling up quite surprising as it's something I always do, but to each their own, of course!Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
andrewpandrew said:
Indeed. The money I save running two EVs for our daily cars pays for the maintenance and fuelling costs of my Porsche, as well as being spent on things like eating out a few times a week and school ski trips for the kids.
Christ. How much petrol were you using to be able to pay for those instead?kingston12 said:
I wouldn't class myself as poor, but I'm always interested in saving money where I can. I found the comment above about not even looking at the price of petrol before filling up quite surprising as it's something I always do, but to each their own, of course!
As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
I wouldn't say that I'm struggling to be fair, but I always look at the price of petrol and diesel though being completely honest. I'd love to be in a position where you don't have to consider it though don't get me wrong. As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
cerb4.5lee said:
kingston12 said:
I wouldn't class myself as poor, but I'm always interested in saving money where I can. I found the comment above about not even looking at the price of petrol before filling up quite surprising as it's something I always do, but to each their own, of course!
As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
I wouldn't say that I'm struggling to be fair, but I always look at the price of petrol and diesel though being completely honest. I'd love to be in a position where you don't have to consider it though don't get me wrong. As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
Galibier said:
andrewpandrew said:
Indeed. The money I save running two EVs for our daily cars pays for the maintenance and fuelling costs of my Porsche, as well as being spent on things like eating out a few times a week and school ski trips for the kids.
Christ. How much petrol were you using to be able to pay for those instead?kingston12 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
kingston12 said:
I wouldn't class myself as poor, but I'm always interested in saving money where I can. I found the comment above about not even looking at the price of petrol before filling up quite surprising as it's something I always do, but to each their own, of course!
As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
I wouldn't say that I'm struggling to be fair, but I always look at the price of petrol and diesel though being completely honest. I'd love to be in a position where you don't have to consider it though don't get me wrong. As for electric cars, they cover pretty much the whole market now. Someone on a limited budget might be better to look at an old Nissan Leaf in preference to a petrol car of the same cost/vintage if they do a lot of short journeys.
Newer petrol cars might make sense for those slightly better off with a different pattern of usage, but it's all going to come down to personal circumstance.
MightyBadger said:
eldar said:
Why worry about petrol prices? There is nothing you can do about them!cerb4.5lee said:
I wouldn't say that I'm struggling to be fair, but I always look at the price of petrol and diesel though being completely honest. I'd love to be in a position where you don't have to consider it though don't get me wrong.
I find the price of fuel to be one of those weird things that we react more strongly to than makes sense. I'll avoid garages that might be 3 or 4 pence more but in reality, even with a big tank, the difference is pretty irrelevant. I don't say this to be argumentative, I do the same.
cerb4.5lee said:
I see a fair swing in the price of super around me as well. My closest is the more expensive one annoyingly though, and that is 13 miles away from me as it is, so I don't always fancy driving further to get it a touch cheaper if you know what I mean though.
That always seems to be the way, it's the same around here! I'd never make a special trip for petrol, just try to make sure I fill up when passing a relatively cheap place. It doesn't always work out, of course, so occasionally just have to pay the higher prices at the local one.
Galibier said:
andrewpandrew said:
Indeed. The money I save running two EVs for our daily cars pays for the maintenance and fuelling costs of my Porsche, as well as being spent on things like eating out a few times a week and school ski trips for the kids.
Christ. How much petrol were you using to be able to pay for those instead?I used to look at the price of fuel and try to find the cheapest garage, but then I worked out how much (little) money it would save me and I don't bother any more. I stop at the garage that has the best snacks instead.
I've just had a look online and in my area the difference is max 6p between cheapest and priciest. So it would be about a tenner per month saving for me, and I do 20k miles per year. I could go out of my way by 10 miles and save another 2p per litre, which would be a saving of £1 for about 20-30 minutes of my time, and I value that a bit more than £2-£3 per hour.
I've just had a look online and in my area the difference is max 6p between cheapest and priciest. So it would be about a tenner per month saving for me, and I do 20k miles per year. I could go out of my way by 10 miles and save another 2p per litre, which would be a saving of £1 for about 20-30 minutes of my time, and I value that a bit more than £2-£3 per hour.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've never been able to understand who electric cars are actually aimed at...the rich or the poor?
Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
EVs are definitely not only for the rich: Their list prices are generally aimed at the rich I think, but most of their owners always bang on about how efficient they are though, so that would only be something that the poor would worry about for example. I find it quite fascinating to be honest.
10 cheapest new cars you can buy in the UK:
https://www.cargurus.co.uk/Cars/articles/cheapest-...
4 of the 10 are EVs, there are plenty of "not for the rich" EVs in other price brackets too, there are Peugeot's, citroens,
50 EVs all available new for under £34k.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/uks-chea...
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