EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
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Ankh87 said:
page3 said:
"EVs... no one wants them!"
Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
Sounds like the dealer only wants to sell what they have in stock and not get stuck with what's there already. Makes sense to a degree but stupid to refuse a sale though. The idiots. Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
Daughter put in enquiry through CarWow for a stock standard vehicle, high spec but colour and spec standard for that trim level.
Offers came in, local dealer about 1k high compared to others. All offers were for spec and colour per enquiry.
Cheapest turned it wasn't that colour but some strange combination. There isn't one meeting enquiry spec in the country or on the way was the answer.
Next cheapest, similar answer, felt like attempts to palm off something oddball that nobody wanted. Nothing in country etc.
Spotted an ad from the local lot in AT with the spec, colour etc way cheaper than their Carwow offer and not much above the cheapest one. Rang up on off chance expecting a similar response.
Turned out it was sitting in UK stock, picked up that Saturday. Then dealers wonder why we don't trust them. Not an EV btw so off topic.
page3 said:
"EVs... no one wants them!"
Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
I had similar buying an X3 back in 2019. No matter what I tried the dealer kept sending over quotes for cars they had in stock, none of which met the spec I wanted, and what I had throughly detailed to them. Went to another dealer and factory ordered with no problem at all. My in-laws basically had the same with Kia a few months ago, but were so gullible they basically paid the new (discounted) price for a demonstrator with 3k miles Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
page3 said:
"EVs... no one wants them!"
Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
I had this out with a couple of dealers while looking to private buy a new EV a year ago and most dealers were pretty disinterested.Well certainly the dealers don't want to sell them! Yesterday I was told by a large dealership that I could have the white one they had in stock, but not an orange one that would have to be a factory order. Obviously I went elsewhere.
I was told "no-one" buys EVs privately.
Ended up using a broker, who sent a spreadsheet through of available cars and specs - at the docks were multiple cars in exactly the colour and spec we wanted. Massively discounted. Ordered one and it arrived on a trailer 2 weeks later.
Had it "serviced" (seems to consist of a wash and a tick in wrong box in service book) the other day by useless (both sales, and, as it turns out, service) local dealer. They noted the supplying dealer was in the Midlands, we're in the NW. They asked why I'd bought it there and I said because you weren't interested in selling me one.
blueg33 said:
As others have said - if you are filling up one a month, you are only plugging in at home a couple of times a month.
As usual. People with no clue about EV's, who haven't lived with them, making up a narrative to support their hate. The looking a bit foolish. The next step will be to call people EVangelists and claim some superiority - you could go for the skill it takes to change gear, or your need to dive 500 miles in 9 hours without ever stopping.
I happen to be heterosexual. I didn't need to sleep with a man to make sure. I looked at girls (I was a boy back then!) and knew that was what I wanted. I looked at boys and my groin did not stir.As usual. People with no clue about EV's, who haven't lived with them, making up a narrative to support their hate. The looking a bit foolish. The next step will be to call people EVangelists and claim some superiority - you could go for the skill it takes to change gear, or your need to dive 500 miles in 9 hours without ever stopping.
It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
Fred Smith said:
blueg33 said:
As others have said - if you are filling up one a month, you are only plugging in at home a couple of times a month.
As usual. People with no clue about EV's, who haven't lived with them, making up a narrative to support their hate. The looking a bit foolish. The next step will be to call people EVangelists and claim some superiority - you could go for the skill it takes to change gear, or your need to dive 500 miles in 9 hours without ever stopping.
I happen to be heterosexual. I didn't need to sleep with a man to make sure. I looked at girls (I was a boy back then!) and knew that was what I wanted. I looked at boys and my groin did not stir.As usual. People with no clue about EV's, who haven't lived with them, making up a narrative to support their hate. The looking a bit foolish. The next step will be to call people EVangelists and claim some superiority - you could go for the skill it takes to change gear, or your need to dive 500 miles in 9 hours without ever stopping.
It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
blueg33 said:
I had to 2 weeks ago. Had a loan car, nearest petrol station was Tesco, it was closed with signs saying no fuel, it was then a 10 minute drive to the next nearest which was really busy with a long wait for a pump, and a long queue to pay.
I was told I was a liar.
I think a more normal ICE experience is that the driver knows there they live, and where the petrol stations are. For someone like me I often let my cars get very low (too low really) because the two main directions I travel from home involve passing 2 or 3 petrol stations within 3 miles of leaving the house. If I lived somewhere very rural and often drove in petrol station free areas I would make sure I filled up when my car was half full and I happened to pass a petrol station.I was told I was a liar.
I completely believe that some people, sometimes, find they have to go out of their way to buy petrol, but I would be surprised if it was particularly normal for it to be an issue.
kando said:
More to the point, does anyone (especially if you own EVs and ICE cars) not really really like the ability to warm and defrost your cars up silently and without local pollution on these ever more chilly mornings?
To be fair, this is one advantage, though on balance I quite like that I can earn massive amounts of brownie points by defrosting the other half's car for her.Ultimately, though, my car is about more than "how quickly and comfortably can I get going on a cold morning" - I am more considering the whole experience of buying, owning and driving, summer and winter.
Fred Smith said:
blueg33 said:
I had to 2 weeks ago. Had a loan car, nearest petrol station was Tesco, it was closed with signs saying no fuel, it was then a 10 minute drive to the next nearest which was really busy with a long wait for a pump, and a long queue to pay.
I was told I was a liar.
I think a more normal ICE experience is that the driver knows there they live, and where the petrol stations are. For someone like me I often let my cars get very low (too low really) because the two main directions I travel from home involve passing 2 or 3 petrol stations within 3 miles of leaving the house. If I lived somewhere very rural and often drove in petrol station free areas I would make sure I filled up when my car was half full and I happened to pass a petrol station.I was told I was a liar.
I completely believe that some people, sometimes, find they have to go out of their way to buy petrol, but I would be surprised if it was particularly normal for it to be an issue.
Fred Smith said:
I happen to be heterosexual. I didn't need to sleep with a man to make sure. I looked at girls (I was a boy back then!) and knew that was what I wanted. I looked at boys and my groin did not stir.
It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
It’s not at all similar. One is a biologically programmed position rather than a choice. The other is a deliberate choice which appears to have been made based on erroneous assumptions It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
TheRainMaker said:
There was quite a good video from one of the Pro EV types on YouTube (he sells them).
It works out to around £1,200 in annual savings with an EV over petrol, including the new 3p-per-mile charge.
This is an average based on 10000 miles a year.
That makes sense.It works out to around £1,200 in annual savings with an EV over petrol, including the new 3p-per-mile charge.
This is an average based on 10000 miles a year.
For me (more like 5k) that means I effectively spend £10 / £12 a week in order to have three things -
(1) The pleasure of driving manual ICE
(2) The benefit of not having the massive depreciation on a much more modern EV than my ICE
(3) The benefit of not having to dip tens of thousands of pounds into my savings or have a finance deal.
blueg33 said:
It s not at all similar. One is a biologically programmed position rather than a choice. The other is a deliberate choice which appears to have been made based on erroneous assumptions
How is "I love driving a simple, older manual ICE, experiencing little to no depreciation, and don't want to ever consider when and where to charge" an "erroneous assumption"?Fred Smith said:
That makes sense.
For me (more like 5k) that means I effectively spend £10 / £12 a week in order to have three things -
(1) The pleasure of driving manual ICE
(2) The benefit of not having the massive depreciation on a much more modern EV than my ICE
(3) The benefit of not having to dip tens of thousands of pounds into my savings or have a finance deal.
If you buy a used EV, you might find the depreciation is offset by fuel costs. I certainly did. The extra deprecation I've lost in three years is pretty much the same as the additional cost I would have paid for petrol.For me (more like 5k) that means I effectively spend £10 / £12 a week in order to have three things -
(1) The pleasure of driving manual ICE
(2) The benefit of not having the massive depreciation on a much more modern EV than my ICE
(3) The benefit of not having to dip tens of thousands of pounds into my savings or have a finance deal.
Fred Smith said:
How is "I love driving a simple, older manual ICE, experiencing little to no depreciation, and don't want to ever consider when and where to charge" an "erroneous assumption"?
So do I. I also love driving a good EVThe erroneous assumptions are other things you have said in th course of this thread
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 20th December 09:38
TheBinarySheep said:
If you buy a used EV, you might find the depreciation is offset by fuel costs. I certainly did. The extra deprecation I've lost in three years is pretty much the same as the additional cost I would have paid for petrol.
How much did your EV cost and how old is it?Fred Smith said:
I happen to be heterosexual. I didn't need to sleep with a man to make sure. I looked at girls (I was a boy back then!) and knew that was what I wanted. I looked at boys and my groin did not stir.
It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
This post just reads like a thinly-veiled fear of both.It's similar with ICE vs EV.
Some people know what they like and want. Some people are able to look at something, consider it's features, use their experience and wants to assess the thing they are looking at, and know for sure they don't want it.
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