EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
uktrailmonster said:
matt173407 said:
With servicing though my friend has Volvo Ex30 3yrs old he paid £30k , service had to be volvo to try keep the value but that cost £1200 so I could be wrong but i don't think servicing especially if you have to use dealers is going to save anything, tyres seem very expensive as well. (Apologies he may just be getting ripped off and this is not the general case)
I am not convinced that the fuel / servicing savings compensate the depreciation , in my simple mind they way the tech is changing and the speed it is a yr old EV is already outdated (Again my own unproved / unscientific view)
Ideally I would like an EV that gives me the looks , some noise and the drive and feel of a hot hatch (even though i am prob too old) that i think would get me passed rage anxiety
The Volvo EX30 has only been on sale for barely 2 years and £1,200 for a routine service sounds like complete bs to me. Wtf did they do for that cost? My Tesla has cost £0 in servicing over 4 years, except for tyres which wear about the same as any other similar ICE car.I am not convinced that the fuel / servicing savings compensate the depreciation , in my simple mind they way the tech is changing and the speed it is a yr old EV is already outdated (Again my own unproved / unscientific view)
Ideally I would like an EV that gives me the looks , some noise and the drive and feel of a hot hatch (even though i am prob too old) that i think would get me passed rage anxiety
EV tech is not changing THAT fast either. A 1 year old EV is not even remotely outdated. Again my 4 year old Tesla is far from outdated. It s no more dated than a 4 year old ICE car would be. Probably less so with frequent OTA updates.
Sounds like you are just putting mental barriers up because of your attachment to ICE hot hatches. That s perfectly fine, but not being completely honest with your reasoning.
£1.2k for an EX30 service at Volvo : BS !
My Polestar 2 EV was serviced at a Volvo main dealer; a larger, faster and more expensive car and the service bill was £99, and that included a courtesy car for a day.
SDK said:
Yes exactly !
£1.2k for an EX30 service at Volvo : BS !
My Polestar 2 EV was serviced at a Volvo main dealer; a larger, faster and more expensive car and the service bill was £99, and that included a courtesy car for a day.
Indeed, I just had quote for £140 for Polestar 2 service. And it is only due every two years / 18750 miles. £1.2k for an EX30 service at Volvo : BS !
My Polestar 2 EV was serviced at a Volvo main dealer; a larger, faster and more expensive car and the service bill was £99, and that included a courtesy car for a day.
Compared to my petrol 1.0tsi which needed a service at 12 months / 12k miles and that service was £250 minor / £340 major, plus timing belt occasionally, plus most major bills I have had on cars in the last decade have been things like turbo actuators, intercooler pipes, sensors, EGR, rusty exhaust at the catalytic, injectors...which of course an EV does not have.
The owner of the garage I use joked last week about me not seeing him so often and commented that he (despite being bike petrolhead) that he was a) buying his wife an EV b) looking forward to an electric motorbike and b) thinking that reliability wise EV's may have an impact on his business over the next few years...
SDK said:
uktrailmonster said:
matt173407 said:
With servicing though my friend has Volvo Ex30 3yrs old he paid £30k , service had to be volvo to try keep the value but that cost £1200 so I could be wrong but i don't think servicing especially if you have to use dealers is going to save anything, tyres seem very expensive as well. (Apologies he may just be getting ripped off and this is not the general case)
I am not convinced that the fuel / servicing savings compensate the depreciation , in my simple mind they way the tech is changing and the speed it is a yr old EV is already outdated (Again my own unproved / unscientific view)
Ideally I would like an EV that gives me the looks , some noise and the drive and feel of a hot hatch (even though i am prob too old) that i think would get me passed rage anxiety
The Volvo EX30 has only been on sale for barely 2 years and £1,200 for a routine service sounds like complete bs to me. Wtf did they do for that cost? My Tesla has cost £0 in servicing over 4 years, except for tyres which wear about the same as any other similar ICE car.I am not convinced that the fuel / servicing savings compensate the depreciation , in my simple mind they way the tech is changing and the speed it is a yr old EV is already outdated (Again my own unproved / unscientific view)
Ideally I would like an EV that gives me the looks , some noise and the drive and feel of a hot hatch (even though i am prob too old) that i think would get me passed rage anxiety
EV tech is not changing THAT fast either. A 1 year old EV is not even remotely outdated. Again my 4 year old Tesla is far from outdated. It s no more dated than a 4 year old ICE car would be. Probably less so with frequent OTA updates.
Sounds like you are just putting mental barriers up because of your attachment to ICE hot hatches. That s perfectly fine, but not being completely honest with your reasoning.
£1.2k for an EX30 service at Volvo : BS !
My Polestar 2 EV was serviced at a Volvo main dealer; a larger, faster and more expensive car and the service bill was £99, and that included a courtesy car for a day.
tamore said:
cidered77 said:
Come on guys the EX30 service clearly included a new set of tyres.
Twice.
With spares.
easily do 250+ a corner at a main stealer.Twice.
With spares.
SDK said:
tamore said:
cidered77 said:
Come on guys the EX30 service clearly included a new set of tyres.
Twice.
With spares.
easily do 250+ a corner at a main stealer.Twice.
With spares.
CMTMB said:
SWoll said:
nickfrog said:
SWoll said:
If you don't care what you drive and just need a box to transport you around the maybe. £10k + all of the associated costs of running a car is not an insignificant sum for many people, so buying something you actually like and can enjoy owning will go at least some way towards justifying the outlay.
Very true if you only have one car but if you don't then that makes a lot of sense as it means you can dedicate more cash to a more exciting car to run alongside it.talking of depreciation. I check WBAC every month to get an average value. Our Model 3 is 6 year old, 55k mile, since the valuation in January it's dropped £2500 since. £1250 a month!
Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Had I bought the M340i that i was considering when we got the Tesla, its depreciation would have been £333 pm over the last 3 years... a difference of £240 pm. but... I save that in fuel and servicing. So it's pretty even.
Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Had I bought the M340i that i was considering when we got the Tesla, its depreciation would have been £333 pm over the last 3 years... a difference of £240 pm. but... I save that in fuel and servicing. So it's pretty even.
Edited by TheBinarySheep on Sunday 15th March 08:11
TheBinarySheep said:
talking of depreciation. I check WBAC every month to get an average value. Our Model 3 is 6 year old, 55k mile, since the valuation in January it's dropped £2500 since. £1250 a month!
Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Why would you put yourself through that masochistic misery every month? Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Popped into a Geely showroom yesterday and looked at EX5 EV . Just over £30 k new. Very bland and a bit boring really but here’s the kicker. 8 year warranty on battery and car. 125k miles on battery, 4 yrs breakdown cover and two free services. You just know it will be £20k in 6 months with all that warranty. Great value cheap motoring and Geely make some good EVs for others.
TheBinarySheep said:
talking of depreciation. I check WBAC every month to get an average value. Our Model 3 is 6 year old, 55k mile, since the valuation in January it's dropped £2500 since. £1250 a month!
Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Had I bought the M340i that i was considering when we got the Tesla, its depreciation would have been £333 pm over the last 3 years... a difference of £240 pm. but... I save that in fuel and servicing. So it's pretty even.
Pretty even - but you would have been in an m340i instead….Over the last six month the average drop is around £500 pm.
Average over the three years we've had the car £573 pm.
Average drop since new, £634 pm.
Had I bought the M340i that i was considering when we got the Tesla, its depreciation would have been £333 pm over the last 3 years... a difference of £240 pm. but... I save that in fuel and servicing. So it's pretty even.
Edited by TheBinarySheep on Sunday 15th March 08:11
I know what I’d rather be in! and I say this as an EV driver
TheBinarySheep said:
p1stonhead said:
Pretty even - but you would have been in an m340i instead .
I know what I d rather be in! and I say this as an EV driver
Not for me. M340i would sound better, but that's about it for me. Even now, if I had the choice between an i4 M50 and an M340i, I'd choose the EV.I know what I d rather be in! and I say this as an EV driver
I'm an old fart who loves engines though in fairness.
For those interested we bought our first used EV 12 months ago and have just looked at the numbers for the year.
Bought for £22.5k at 3.5 years and 37.5k miles.
A year later at 51k miles it appears to be worth £20-21k based on current asking prices.
This one is 6 months older, has done more miles and is considered a great price by AT.
Ours has not needed anything spending on it yet as had a recent service and tyres when we bought it.
13.5k miles.has cost us somewhere in the region of £600 in charging.
All in we're looking at around £4k for the year including depreciation (£2.5k), charging (£650), official warranty (£600) and insurance (£350). Very happy with that.
Bought for £22.5k at 3.5 years and 37.5k miles.
A year later at 51k miles it appears to be worth £20-21k based on current asking prices.
This one is 6 months older, has done more miles and is considered a great price by AT.
Ours has not needed anything spending on it yet as had a recent service and tyres when we bought it.
13.5k miles.has cost us somewhere in the region of £600 in charging.
All in we're looking at around £4k for the year including depreciation (£2.5k), charging (£650), official warranty (£600) and insurance (£350). Very happy with that.
Googlin said:
I love engines too obviously but driving to work in an EV this morning I was struck, not so much by how comfortable and fast it was, but it s also fun in a way a confirmed petrolhead like me never would have imagined
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