EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)

[uktrailmonster]

I think I’m going to officially retire from this thread. Don’t fancy another repeat debate with goldfish, 20+ year old BMW enthusiasts and other assorted EV-phobic ranters who still believe nobody wants them.

[_Rodders_]

Monkeylegend said:

Googlin said:

The money I save on fuel and servicing running an EV as a daily driver pays for my weekend toy so it's a win-win, and the contrast makes both experiences better.

But electric cars are all about saving the environment and not allowing you to afford running another polluting car for the weekends.

Almost the best thing about running an EV if you're into cars.

That £2500 a year less that I don't spend on fuel in the daily can stay in the car fund.

[MediumBuild]

cerb4.5lee said:

A true petrolhead wouldn't be wearing a helmet though?

But they would act like one.

[eldar]

uktrailmonster said:

I think I m going to officially retire from this thread. Don t fancy another repeat debate with goldfish, 20+ year old BMW enthusiasts and other assorted EV-phobic ranters who still believe nobody wants them.

This stopped being a debate and turned into a mashup of luddite, conspiracy theory and piss take memes after page 1.

Just nod your head and smile like most others.

[Sporky]

cerb4.5lee said:

A true petrolhead wouldn't be wearing a helmet though?

You make "true petrolheads" sound like a bunch of absolute roasters.

I assume you've never heard of the true Scotsman fallacy?

[MediumBuild]

Sporky said:

You make "true petrolheads" sound like a bunch of absolute roasters.

I assume you've never heard of the true Scotsman fallacy?

Doubtful.

[Sporky]

Googlin said:

But I m not a petrolhead for sure because I drive an EV in the weekdays.

No-one is a true petrolhead. No matter what you do, some twit on the internet (who drives the 1. 2 diesel stbox pool car the company sometimes lets them take home at weekends) will gatekeep you.

Personally I'm proud not to be one, even though I don't own an EV. I just like driving.

[SWoll]

Sporky said:

Mark V GTD said:

Monkeylegend said:

But electric cars are all about saving the environment and not allowing you to afford running another polluting car for the weekends.

Not for many of the people who buy them - its about reduced cost motoring for many, I suspect the majority.

Some people can hold more than one idea in their mind at the same time.

Reduced cost plus reduced local pollution. Both good. Things don't have to be perfect to be better.

For me the cheaper running costs and local environment are nothing more than side benefits. I just much prefer the driving and ownership experience of an EV daily when compared to the ICE cars I ran for the previous 25+ years.

Still love engines and gearboxes, just not in our practical family car that has to cover 15k miles of mixed driving every year.

[Poseidon]

Mikebentley said:

Sporky said:

cerb4.5lee said:

You don't love engines enough though for me

You don't love engines enough for me though to be fair in fairness.

He s like a broken record I reckon for me though to be sure in fairness for me though I reckon that s all in my view .did I tell you I don t like EVs but I can see how they work for some though in fairness for sure glass clinking emoji bud

C’mon MB, don’t you love all the leg pulling banter??

[andrewpandrew]

Poseidon said:

Mikebentley said:

Sporky said:

cerb4.5lee said:

You don't love engines enough though for me

You don't love engines enough for me though to be fair in fairness.

He s like a broken record I reckon for me though to be sure in fairness for me though I reckon that s all in my view .did I tell you I don t like EVs but I can see how they work for some though in fairness for sure glass clinking emoji bud

C mon MB, don t you love all the leg pulling banter??

Looks like the mods have grown as tired of it as we are.

[SpeckledJim]

andrewpandrew said:

Poseidon said:

Mikebentley said:

Sporky said:

cerb4.5lee said:

You don't love engines enough though for me

You don't love engines enough for me though to be fair in fairness.

He s like a broken record I reckon for me though to be sure in fairness for me though I reckon that s all in my view .did I tell you I don t like EVs but I can see how they work for some though in fairness for sure glass clinking emoji bud

C mon MB, don t you love all the leg pulling banter??

Looks like the mods have grown as tired of it as we are.

God, I hope so.

[CMTMB]

uktrailmonster said:

I think I m going to officially retire from this thread. Don t fancy another repeat debate with goldfish, 20+ year old BMW enthusiasts and other assorted EV-phobic ranters who still believe nobody wants them.

Just scroll past them, that's what I'm doing now. If we don't engage with the trolls, they'll get bored and go off to ruin some other thread.

[TheBinarySheep]

SWoll said:

For those interested we bought our first used EV 12 months ago and have just looked at the numbers for the year.

Bought for £22.5k at 3.5 years and 37.5k miles.

A year later at 51k miles it appears to be worth £20-21k based on current asking prices.

13.5k miles.has cost us somewhere in the region of £600 in charging.

All in we're looking at around £4k for the year including depreciation (£2.5k), charging (£650), official warranty (£600) and insurance (£350). Very happy with that.

WBAC price for the one that's for sale is £15,480. So you've lost £7k in depreciation based on that figure as you'd never be able to sell for £22k if that's what dealers are selling them for.

[Mark V GTD]

SWoll said:

For me the cheaper running costs and local environment are nothing more than side benefits. I just much prefer the driving and ownership experience of an EV daily when compared to the ICE cars I ran for the previous 25+ years.

So, apart from the cheaper energy costs, servicing, environmental benefits, driving and owning experience - what have EV's done for us? :-))

[SpeckledJim]

Mark V GTD said:

SWoll said:

For me the cheaper running costs and local environment are nothing more than side benefits. I just much prefer the driving and ownership experience of an EV daily when compared to the ICE cars I ran for the previous 25+ years.

So, apart from the cheaper energy costs, servicing, environmental benefits, driving and owning experience - what have EV's done for us? :-))

They've also done a great job of getting all the crazy old men to shout and scream and wave 'I'm a Proper Nutcase, Me' placards

[Davetheraver]

Petrolhead here. Years of spending far more than I should on cars and bikes and years of doing more miles than i should because I like the scenic route

My new EV company car is so much better in so many ways than any petrol or diesel I have ever owned for day to day driving.

The performance to £ ratio and the ease of driving and convenience of charging (I don’t even have a charger at home horror) mean I would never go back to ICE for my daily.

We still have a petrol that is a bit of fun at the weekends, and for the twice a year I need to get the young one to u I and back I will hire a diesel for £40 a day and save putting nearly 3000 miles on my own vehicle.

[p1stonhead]

Davetheraver said:

Petrolhead here. Years of spending far more than I should on cars and bikes and years of doing more miles than i should because I like the scenic route

My new EV company car is so much better in so many ways than any petrol or diesel I have ever owned for day to day driving.

The performance to £ ratio and the ease of driving and convenience of charging (I don t even have a charger at home horror) mean I would never go back to ICE for my daily.

We still have a petrol that is a bit of fun at the weekends, and for the twice a year I need to get the young one to u I and back I will hire a diesel for £40 a day and save putting nearly 3000 miles on my own vehicle.

I can’t imagine anyone, who has a weekend ICE to get that fix, and an EV daily would ever go back to ICE for their daily.

[otolith]

I think some of it depends on what you demand from your fun car and your daily. I can't imagine trying to compress what I like for fun (loud, raw, light, manual, minimal) and what I like for transport (quiet, smooth, comfortable, relaxing, well equipped, automatic) into one car and not ending up with something that was neither fish nor fowl. The only thing I really want in both is sufficient performance.

[NDA]

p1stonhead said:

I can t imagine anyone, who has a weekend ICE to get that fix, and an EV daily would ever go back to ICE for their daily.

I wouldn't (I have both) but it really depends on usage. My usage (under 300 miles a day - more like 50) and a charger at home means an EV suits me perfectly as a daily.

[madbadger]

NDA said:

p1stonhead said:

I can t imagine anyone, who has a weekend ICE to get that fix, and an EV daily would ever go back to ICE for their daily.

I wouldn't (I have both) but it really depends on usage. My usage (under 300 miles a day - more like 50) and a charger at home means an EV suits me perfectly as a daily.

Not entirely perfect but TVR for the weekend and occasional use with 3.8 second 0-62 fills up 300 miles for £4.50 is working quite well for me. Makes the commute ok and the fun more fun than trying to use one car for everything.