EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)
Discussion
paralla said:
cerb4.5lee said:
As a former electrician, surface mounted wiring makes my eyes itch. It seems to be the accepted norm for EV chargers though. tamore said:
paralla said:
on a block wall? surely chasing it in would look worse without a surface finish?ACCYSTAN said:
Stellantis battery range and performance still woefully behind rivals
Had an E Corsa , 70 miles short of claimed range in the cold.
Dreadful
Stellantis really need go up there game
That’s what it does on the standardised test. The test is not very useful, but it’s mandatory and it’s standardised. Had an E Corsa , 70 miles short of claimed range in the cold.
Dreadful
Stellantis really need go up there game
What do you expect them to do about it?
Buzz84 said:
When I had an extension done about 10 years ago I had the electrical wire in a socket in the front of the house. I asked that it was fed from its own breaker via a 6mm2 for an electric charger.
He was hesitant and didn't really get it even when I explained, but fast forward 9 years, whipped off the socket and fitted a charger along with an appropriate breaker. Very easy and it looked better than a great big black cable being ran round d my rendered white walls.
I had exactly the same done - how did you deal with the current transformer connection?He was hesitant and didn't really get it even when I explained, but fast forward 9 years, whipped off the socket and fitted a charger along with an appropriate breaker. Very easy and it looked better than a great big black cable being ran round d my rendered white walls.
Fred Smith said:
Apologies for not coming back last night as promised.
The point was, this question had nothing to do with real world choices. It was a test to see whether EV bods were capable of honesty or not.
An honest answer would be "if a car fire breaks out it's less dangerous if it's an ICE fire, so if - as per your hypothetical - my car is going to set light next to my house I would prefer it was ICE."
An honest person might add something about the likelihood of fire, and explain why they would still feel safer with an EV on their drive (but it would be irrelevant to the question).
I accept I might be wrong and it is not honesty that prevented a single pro EV bod from giving an answer along the lines that I predicted to myself you wouldn't.
You must be kidding?The point was, this question had nothing to do with real world choices. It was a test to see whether EV bods were capable of honesty or not.
An honest answer would be "if a car fire breaks out it's less dangerous if it's an ICE fire, so if - as per your hypothetical - my car is going to set light next to my house I would prefer it was ICE."
An honest person might add something about the likelihood of fire, and explain why they would still feel safer with an EV on their drive (but it would be irrelevant to the question).
I accept I might be wrong and it is not honesty that prevented a single pro EV bod from giving an answer along the lines that I predicted to myself you wouldn't.
I expecting a detailed data driven factual analysis.
But what we actually got was some deranged ranting basically calling all the people who didn't pick the option that aligns with your beliefs a liars.
You even restricted the option by eliminating a significant real world variable and it still didn't really go your way.
"The point was, this question had nothing to do with real world choices" so by your own admission the question was completely irrelevant and not representative of anything real.
Fred Smith said:
Buzz84 - surely intelligent rational people can accept that certain things are downsides even if they are not downsides to everyone, nor downsides to them in particular? Surely if you were advising someone on buying an EV you would tell them all the things that PEOPLE find bad about EVs, not just the things you dislike? Maybe not based on your answer.
This has been what I have been trying to get across to you. Yes intelligent rational people can accept that there are pros and cons to everything, they take into account that people and their situations are all unique and therefore pros and cons are different in every case.
Your not one of these people, you have repeatedly said that you are annoyed at people's refusal to acknowledge the disadvantages.
These are your disadvantages, not theirs, you are trying to force your opinions and beliefs on to others.
Your on an EV post telling EV owners (who are also either previous or current ICE owners) what they should think the downsides are of a vehicle you have no experience actually living with.
You get upset upset because "the PEOPLE" aren't agreeing with you. When the majority of people have a different opinion to you, then it probably means that you are the incorrect one.
Fred Smith said:
andrewpandrew said:
So much anticipation, just to be called liars. What a freak.
You clearly don't respect what I say, yet have been waiting in anticipation for my words. And you think I'm the freak. Make it make senseThen your whole conclusion was that was that you wanted to see how honest people were.
You came to conclusion this by saying that people who chose EV were liars all because they didn't agree with you.
Fred Smith said:
An honest answer would be "if a car fire breaks out it's less dangerous if it's an ICE fire, so if - as per your hypothetical - my car is going to set light next to my house I would prefer it was ICE."
I honestly don’t believe that’s true. In general, I don’t believe there is much to choose between a burning ICE on your driveway and a burning EV. You’re going to have a bad day either way. In one of our houses I would definitely rather a burning EV, because the driveway slopes back towards the house and a river of burning fuel would increase the risk of setting the house alight, but either scenario would be massively undesirable. The main practical difference is the risk of the burnt out EV reigniting, but that’s largely a problem for the fire service, not for me. So, if the risk of fire were equal, I would consider the EV lower risk, and it’s not, the EV is less risky.
Sheepshanks said:
Buzz84 said:
When I had an extension done about 10 years ago I had the electrical wire in a socket in the front of the house. I asked that it was fed from its own breaker via a 6mm2 for an electric charger.
He was hesitant and didn't really get it even when I explained, but fast forward 9 years, whipped off the socket and fitted a charger along with an appropriate breaker. Very easy and it looked better than a great big black cable being ran round d my rendered white walls.
I had exactly the same done - how did you deal with the current transformer connection?He was hesitant and didn't really get it even when I explained, but fast forward 9 years, whipped off the socket and fitted a charger along with an appropriate breaker. Very easy and it looked better than a great big black cable being ran round d my rendered white walls.
The original socket was low down on the wall, and was swapped for a junction box. The charger is mounted above it so there is a short piece of wall mount cable between the two. Using EV ultra cable which is combined power and network.
In the junction box the power goes in through the wall to the consumer unit via the pre installed cable.
Then a separate a outdoor rated cat5 cable comes out and runs around to the meter cabinet where the CT is. It runs just about a brick course that's under the bottom of the render so isn't visible.
The CT is just connected to one of the cat5 twisted pairs. A second pair can be used for a second CT if I ever get solar/battery.
The remaining pairs are enough for a wired network connection to the charger is necessary (mines connected via WiFi so it's unused - thankfully as I have no idea how to get a cable from the route to the meter box easily...)
Fred Smith said:
An honest answer would be "if a car fire breaks out it's less dangerous if it's an ICE fire,
Tell that to the people who lost cars in the Luton Airport fire (Oct 2023), or the Liverpool car park fire (Dec 2017) - those are probably the biggest, most impacting, most costly fires started by a car in the UK - both started from a diesel car.Buzz84 said:
Unfortunately that wasn't really a known thing when I had that done, so there wasn't a provision in place.
The original socket was low down on the wall, and was swapped for a junction box. The charger is mounted above it so there is a short piece of wall mount cable between the two. Using EV ultra cable which is combined power and network.
In the junction box the power goes in through the wall to the consumer unit via the pre installed cable.
Then a separate a outdoor rated cat5 cable comes out and runs around to the meter cabinet where the CT is. It runs just about a brick course that's under the bottom of the render so isn't visible.
The CT is just connected to one of the cat5 twisted pairs. A second pair can be used for a second CT if I ever get solar/battery.
The remaining pairs are enough for a wired network connection to the charger is necessary (mines connected via WiFi so it's unused - thankfully as I have no idea how to get a cable from the route to the meter box easily...)
Thanks for that. I did have a separate cat5 put in too, anticipating a Ethernet connection, but that only goes basically straight up to the house front landing where the network stuff is. The CU etc is not far off the opposite corner of the house. The original socket was low down on the wall, and was swapped for a junction box. The charger is mounted above it so there is a short piece of wall mount cable between the two. Using EV ultra cable which is combined power and network.
In the junction box the power goes in through the wall to the consumer unit via the pre installed cable.
Then a separate a outdoor rated cat5 cable comes out and runs around to the meter cabinet where the CT is. It runs just about a brick course that's under the bottom of the render so isn't visible.
The CT is just connected to one of the cat5 twisted pairs. A second pair can be used for a second CT if I ever get solar/battery.
The remaining pairs are enough for a wired network connection to the charger is necessary (mines connected via WiFi so it's unused - thankfully as I have no idea how to get a cable from the route to the meter box easily...)
I can't believe no-one does universal wireless CTs, but I can't find one. I recall seeing a charger install years ago that had a wireless CT built in.
Deep Thought said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I've got this in my garage now, so I'm now well prepared for when I need my balls chopping off and I have get an electric car! 
The problem I've got...is the 370 usually sits on that side of the garage though, so there isn't a cat in hells chance that I'm leaving that outside for an electric car to go in my garage as it's replacement! I see electric cars just as white goods rightly or wrongly if you know what I mean, and they're not something that pull at your heart strings for example.
However, once we've both retired, I can't see us being able to afford(or actually need) 4 cars anyway, so the door could open up in the future for an electric car perhaps eventually though.
cerb4.5lee said:
The problem I've got...is the 370 usually sits on that side of the garage though, so there isn't a cat in hells chance that I'm leaving that outside for an electric car to go in my garage as it's replacement! I see electric cars just as white goods rightly or wrongly if you know what I mean, and they're not something that pull at your heart strings for example.
However, once we've both retired, I can't see us being able to afford(or actually need) 4 cars anyway, so the door could open up in the future for an electric car perhaps eventually though.
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