EVs... no one wants them! (Vol. 2)

[SpeckledJim]

Jte3397 said:

RizzoTheRat said:

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

Jte3397 said:

On the original thread topic, it seems EVs... no one wants to rent them from Hertz at Glasgow Airport. I was gutted to be told they're de fleeting them with no plan to replace. Instead of a nice Polestar 2 or Kia or Mercedes EQB, I had to suffer a manual 3 cyl Corsa with a crap gear chance, engine so rough I could only tell it was petrol by the rev counter and a dodgy Android Auto connection. Might mean some bargains hitting the market though.

I am guessing when you are in a town you don't know for a limited time you don't want to have to faff around looking for public chargers or waiting for it to charge. Do you have to return it with a full charge, can you imagine having to find a charger near the airport and then having to wait for it to charge just before your flight?

I bet most people ended up returning them uncharged and were "charged" accordingly.

Just to add, in Ireland Hertz charge 1.25 per KWH and it has to be returned with a minimum of 80%

Edited by ThingsBehindTheSun on Friday 6th February 09:54

Ouch. I rented a Polestar 2 from Hertz at Gatwick a couple of years back and at the time they charged about 5p/kW less than the fast chargers at a motorway services, so it was simpler to just return it half charged.

They did have to be returned with 80% charge, the same as ICE have to be returned with a full tank. For my use, the charge I had was adequate for where I was going and I'd just take the extra charge. The EVs were just more pleasant to use around the city than the ICE for the same cost.

Sensible decisions on an individual basis, but problematic for a frantic airport rental operation that wants to throw the car through the wash and send it back out again straight away.

To make it work operationally, I'm surprised that they don't apply a swingeing charge on returns below the required charge level.

[otolith]

SpeckledJim said:

Sensible decisions on an individual basis, but problematic for a frantic airport rental operation that wants to throw the car through the wash and send it back out again straight away.

To make it work operationally, I'm surprised that they don't apply a swingeing charge on returns below the required charge level.

I guess it depends on what their facilities are and how long they typically have the cars parked up for between hires. Sticking it on a charger might work out better for them than having someone take it to a petrol station and fill it up. Especially if they can charge it while someone mucks it out.

[RizzoTheRat]

SpeckledJim said:

Jte3397 said:

RizzoTheRat said:

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

Jte3397 said:

On the original thread topic, it seems EVs... no one wants to rent them from Hertz at Glasgow Airport. I was gutted to be told they're de fleeting them with no plan to replace. Instead of a nice Polestar 2 or Kia or Mercedes EQB, I had to suffer a manual 3 cyl Corsa with a crap gear chance, engine so rough I could only tell it was petrol by the rev counter and a dodgy Android Auto connection. Might mean some bargains hitting the market though.

I am guessing when you are in a town you don't know for a limited time you don't want to have to faff around looking for public chargers or waiting for it to charge. Do you have to return it with a full charge, can you imagine having to find a charger near the airport and then having to wait for it to charge just before your flight?

I bet most people ended up returning them uncharged and were "charged" accordingly.

Just to add, in Ireland Hertz charge 1.25 per KWH and it has to be returned with a minimum of 80%

Edited by ThingsBehindTheSun on Friday 6th February 09:54

Ouch. I rented a Polestar 2 from Hertz at Gatwick a couple of years back and at the time they charged about 5p/kW less than the fast chargers at a motorway services, so it was simpler to just return it half charged.

They did have to be returned with 80% charge, the same as ICE have to be returned with a full tank. For my use, the charge I had was adequate for where I was going and I'd just take the extra charge. The EVs were just more pleasant to use around the city than the ICE for the same cost.

Sensible decisions on an individual basis, but problematic for a frantic airport rental operation that wants to throw the car through the wash and send it back out again straight away.

To make it work operationally, I'm surprised that they don't apply a swingeing charge on returns below the required charge level.

Sounds like they do now based on Jte3397s post. When I rented one they doing some great deals to get people in to them, I had the Polestar 2 for 3 days for less than a Corsa would have cost. At the time you could return it with more than 80% charge for no additional cost, or you could return at over 20% and they'd charge per kWH to carge it back up. On a fast charger it's only about half an hour to go from 20% to 80% so probably less hassle than them driving to a petrol station. Or course that only works until they have more cars to charge than chargers available.

As someone who had never driven an EV at that point it was a nice way to have a go in one and see what they're like, and realise that I would be quite happy with one in the UK if I had home charging, but not if I had to rely on public chargers.

[Jte3397]

RizzoTheRat said:

SpeckledJim said:

Jte3397 said:

RizzoTheRat said:

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

Jte3397 said:

On the original thread topic, it seems EVs... no one wants to rent them from Hertz at Glasgow Airport. I was gutted to be told they're de fleeting them with no plan to replace. Instead of a nice Polestar 2 or Kia or Mercedes EQB, I had to suffer a manual 3 cyl Corsa with a crap gear chance, engine so rough I could only tell it was petrol by the rev counter and a dodgy Android Auto connection. Might mean some bargains hitting the market though.

I am guessing when you are in a town you don't know for a limited time you don't want to have to faff around looking for public chargers or waiting for it to charge. Do you have to return it with a full charge, can you imagine having to find a charger near the airport and then having to wait for it to charge just before your flight?

I bet most people ended up returning them uncharged and were "charged" accordingly.

Just to add, in Ireland Hertz charge 1.25 per KWH and it has to be returned with a minimum of 80%

Edited by ThingsBehindTheSun on Friday 6th February 09:54

Ouch. I rented a Polestar 2 from Hertz at Gatwick a couple of years back and at the time they charged about 5p/kW less than the fast chargers at a motorway services, so it was simpler to just return it half charged.

They did have to be returned with 80% charge, the same as ICE have to be returned with a full tank. For my use, the charge I had was adequate for where I was going and I'd just take the extra charge. The EVs were just more pleasant to use around the city than the ICE for the same cost.

Sensible decisions on an individual basis, but problematic for a frantic airport rental operation that wants to throw the car through the wash and send it back out again straight away.

To make it work operationally, I'm surprised that they don't apply a swingeing charge on returns below the required charge level.

Sounds like they do now based on Jte3397s post. When I rented one they doing some great deals to get people in to them, I had the Polestar 2 for 3 days for less than a Corsa would have cost. At the time you could return it with more than 80% charge for no additional cost, or you could return at over 20% and they'd charge per kWH to carge it back up. On a fast charger it's only about half an hour to go from 20% to 80% so probably less hassle than them driving to a petrol station. Or course that only works until they have more cars to charge than chargers available.

As someone who had never driven an EV at that point it was a nice way to have a go in one and see what they're like, and realise that I would be quite happy with one in the UK if I had home charging, but not if I had to rely on public chargers.

This was exactly why I took one - less than a Corsa and I'd not driven one before. It was this thread that made me curious and, as a car enthusiast, I'm open to trying something new. I liked it enough I then continued to rent them (I'm there monthly). I'd definitely consider one but only if my admittedly niche commute changes. I have a drive but my distance to work is such that I'd be reliant on public chargers for part of the journey. Coupled with a bangernomics approach to dailies, I can't make the costs add up. However, if my commute changes and I could be within home and back on a charge, I would look seriously at a Polestar 2.

[andrewpandrew]

ChocolateFrog said:

tamore said:

MightyBadger said:

Ok

you can tell when someone has failed in their argument on here when most of a post is just emojis.

lease companies have taken a bath. oh well, never mind.

I hadn't seen his name pop up for a few weeks.

Seeing it again really reinforces the feeling that he's not and won't be missed when he does eventually get bored.

Could be worse, it could be Fred posting again!

[PBCD]

SpeckledJim said:

Everyone is in a quivering state of anxiety and resentment and suspicion. Fear prevails.

Sounds exactly like most anti-EV threads on this forum, to be honest...

[mikeiow]

Probably been posted before, but it will make Lee & MB rush to their keyboards


“Hi, I own a 2024 Hyundai Kona EV...and I think it's broken.
It doesn't lose power when the battery is getting low.
I don't have to drive around in winter with the heating off to conserve my range. If anything it gets too hot with the heated steering wheel and heated seat and I have to turn them off!
It's done nearly 18,000 in 15 months and has only been charged away from home 3 times for about 20 mins each time.
It can be set to warm up before I leave the house and then I have the discomfort of getting into a warm and defrosted car
It's so nice drive and has incredible acceleration, what is that all about?!
It takes so long to charge at home that I have to go to bed while I wait...and on the wonderful overnight ev tariff it costs me a staggering £3!! WTF!
Oh, and of course, I nearly forgot, why am I not having to stop every half an hour to charge it up again?!
I need your help, what is wrong with my car?
If you can't help I might have to get rid of it and buy a petrol car again, as I'm really missing scraping ice and paying a fortune for petrol
Yours sincerely,
A very disgruntled EV driver”

[sixor8]

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

Full power when stone cold though, as long as you've over 6%.

[Fastdruid]

sixor8 said:

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

All cars pull from the bottom of the tank. There isn't any "cack" in the bottom of the tank to pull though, its already been pulled through as soon as it falls to the bottom!

Running an ICE car low doesn't cause any long term issues.

Running it totally dry might cause issues (particularly diesels) but I've repeatedly run mine to single digit range and a few times into negative range with no long term problems (and its currently knocking on for 180k).

[Mad Maximus]

Fastdruid said:

sixor8 said:

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

All cars pull from the bottom of the tank. There isn't any "cack" in the bottom of the tank to pull though, its already been pulled through as soon as it falls to the bottom!

Running an ICE car low doesn't cause any long term issues.

Running it totally dry might cause issues (particularly diesels) but I've repeatedly run mine to single digit range and a few times into negative range with no long term problems (and its currently knocking on for 180k).

Open the fuel tank and have a look. It will have an amount of rubbish inside. Once the tank gets low and the line is closer to the inlet the floating debris will accumulate and does get sucked up. It’s not as big of a problem now with much cleaner fuels but i still wouldn’t recommend running the tank almost dry often.

[Mark V GTD]

sixor8 said:

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

Not noticed it lose power at very low levels although when it gets to 5% I'm driving so carefully I probably wouldn't notice it. I have run mine past zero range and it kept going for a few miles.

[TheRainMaker]

Mark V GTD said:

sixor8 said:

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

Not noticed it lose power at very low levels although when it gets to 5% I'm driving so carefully I probably wouldn't notice it. I have run mine past zero range and it kept going for a few miles.

I think all EVs do it, the Polestar does.

[D9]

Fastdruid said:

All cars pull from the bottom of the tank. There isn't any "cack" in the bottom of the tank to pull though, its already been pulled through as soon as it falls to the bottom!

Running an ICE car low doesn't cause any long term issues.

Running it totally dry might cause issues (particularly diesels) but I've repeatedly run mine to single digit range and a few times into negative range with no long term problems (and its currently knocking on for 180k).

Yes, most cars pull fuel from the bottom of the tank all the time

But running an ICE car low on fuel all the time can cause long term issues, if the car has an electric lift pump in the tank.
The only thing cooling this pump is the fuel it sits in acting as a heat soak, less fuel = less cooling
Also with a diesel( and some petrols) the high pressure pump on the engine is also cooled to a degree by excess fuel passing through the pump, back to the tank and circulating.
Again less fuel=less cooling

Mondeo's & focus's owned by tight arses who never have more than £10 of fuel in the tank often suffer from the fuel pump cutting out when they get hot.
Always keeping a minimum 1/4 filled fuel tank usually means no problems with the pump

[SDK]

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services no fuel'

[Deep Thought]

said:

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services Jct7 no fuel'

You'll be giving Tigger a coronary.

[plfrench]

SDK said:

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services no fuel'

Nah, you must be hallucinating as much as Tigger’s AI - EVs are yesterday’s news, Stallantis are doubling down on Diesel, didn’t you get the memo

[ashenfie]

SDK said:

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services no fuel'

How did the guy with the caravan get on with charging?

[Fastdruid]

Mad Maximus said:

Fastdruid said:

sixor8 said:

My EV (Honda eNy1) does lose power when it's low charge though, it goes into reduced power mode when you get down to 6%. But there's no 'cack' in the bottom of the tank to pull through and I've got home with 1% charge with no long term issues.

All cars pull from the bottom of the tank. There isn't any "cack" in the bottom of the tank to pull though, its already been pulled through as soon as it falls to the bottom!

Running an ICE car low doesn't cause any long term issues.

Running it totally dry might cause issues (particularly diesels) but I've repeatedly run mine to single digit range and a few times into negative range with no long term problems (and its currently knocking on for 180k).

Open the fuel tank and have a look. It will have an amount of rubbish inside. Once the tank gets low and the line is closer to the inlet the floating debris will accumulate and does get sucked up. It s not as big of a problem now with much cleaner fuels but i still wouldn t recommend running the tank almost dry often.

Nonsense. Maybe if you've got a nasty diesel which has fuel contaminated by "diesel bug" or you're filling up from a third world fuel station but there is nothing floating for more than about 5 seconds after the car moves and the fuel gets sloshing about.

I will grant that running it low *will* mean less cooling and its never a good idea to run out as that can damage the pump(s), but not because of cack in the tank. It's an old wives tale.

[Skodillac]

SDK said:

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services no fuel'

Presuming the EV chargers are working, they should update these signs to say "No Fossil Fuel".

[SpeckledJim]

ashenfie said:

SDK said:

I think I just saw the future

At the roundabout traffic lights to join the motorway I pull up next to a BMW i5 towing a caravan, there is a BMW i4 behind me, another BMW i4 behind them, numerus other EV's passing through the green light and on the Motorway I've never seen so many EV's

Also on the motorway there are digital signs showing 'M5 Services no fuel'

How did the guy with the caravan get on with charging?

Assuming he needed to stop en route, he'll have parked, unhitched, charged, hitched, drove off.

It's a small amount of faff. But nothing to the absolutely monumental amount of faff that is caravanning in general.