Engine finally ready for Dyno test
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Yeah I can only imagine how much time and money you have put into this, i hope you get the results you wanted on Tuesday.
I know its not something you want to think about BUT... what price range is the next customer likely to be quoted for the same set up?
would you say its a system that can be fitted and forgotten about? until it flags up a problem of course. As touch screens and adjustability just scares me, I just want a normal, fast and very fast switch options. lol
Graham
I know its not something you want to think about BUT... what price range is the next customer likely to be quoted for the same set up?
would you say its a system that can be fitted and forgotten about? until it flags up a problem of course. As touch screens and adjustability just scares me, I just want a normal, fast and very fast switch options. lol
Graham
Hollowpockets said:
Yeah I can only imagine how much time and money you have put into this, i hope you get the results you wanted on Tuesday.
I know its not something you want to think about BUT... what price range is the next customer likely to be quoted for the same set up?
would you say its a system that can be fitted and forgotten about? until it flags up a problem of course. As touch screens and adjustability just scares me, I just want a normal, fast and very fast switch options. lol
Graham
Cost wise with all the sensors, inc touch screen display, loom, ecu, + loads of other little changes, over 10k.I know its not something you want to think about BUT... what price range is the next customer likely to be quoted for the same set up?
would you say its a system that can be fitted and forgotten about? until it flags up a problem of course. As touch screens and adjustability just scares me, I just want a normal, fast and very fast switch options. lol
Graham
The system once set up will need no further input, unless of course there is a problem, the system will make sure the engine is safe and adjust as needed,but then by reading the data you will be able to see where the problem lies,
What is also useful is that you can adjust any of the cal settings yourself, as he will email you any changes you wish, then you just enter them into the ecu via a laptop that plugs into the dash. I will not be doing this however tempting, will leave it to them, Just send the data to them anf they will make the adjustments and send them bavk for you to input.
The touch screen wont allow you to adjust the map, but will allow you to set the alarms at any level ie oil pressure,fuel pressure, oil temp etc and give accurate readings, take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TKgoXR62w
I do think especialy if your racing that the ecu is a must which ever make you choose.
Hollowpockets said:
Hey Craig,
Whats the latest on this?
Think I'm going to have to make a decision quick if I'm going to do an ecu change before easter weekend.
Graham
you will be mad to attempt to do this before our easter track day... like craig's, Im still ironing out the creases in my Motec... admitedly I have been focused on the body more than the engine but you do need a lot more mapping than you'd expect.Whats the latest on this?
Think I'm going to have to make a decision quick if I'm going to do an ecu change before easter weekend.
Graham
andygtt said:
you will be mad to attempt to do this before our easter track day... like craig's, Im still ironing out the creases in my Motec... admitedly I have been focused on the body more than the engine but you do need a lot more mapping than you'd expect.
I've been ironing out niggles with my Haltech map for over 5yrs now. LolI think the important thing to remember is that an engine control calibration is like a pyramid. The most important part is the base. It's very easy to get all excited about things such as launch control or antilag and the like, and to neglect to do the run-of-the-mill things properly (such as calibrating dwell time for instance). In all honesty i see very very few aftermarket systems where the base cal has been done (and validated) to a sufficient robust level to allow the higher level strategies to work, and work repeatably. Hence, owners are often left with "niggles" and "issues" for a long time after the original work has been done.
The downside of that necessary rigure during the inital stages is the high cost in both hours and ££. Lets face it, we want to install our shiney new super EMS system, chuck in some numbers and get out and drive the car, not spend weeks on dynos/tracks/road validating if our fuel pressure sensor is outputing valid and quality data etc!
The downside of that necessary rigure during the inital stages is the high cost in both hours and ££. Lets face it, we want to install our shiney new super EMS system, chuck in some numbers and get out and drive the car, not spend weeks on dynos/tracks/road validating if our fuel pressure sensor is outputing valid and quality data etc!
Max_Torque said:
I think the important thing to remember is that an engine control calibration is like a pyramid. The most important part is the base. It's very easy to get all excited about things such as launch control or antilag and the like, and to neglect to do the run-of-the-mill things properly (such as calibrating dwell time for instance). In all honesty i see very very few aftermarket systems where the base cal has been done (and validated) to a sufficient robust level to allow the higher level strategies to work, and work repeatably. Hence, owners are often left with "niggles" and "issues" for a long time after the original work has been done.
The downside of that necessary rigure during the inital stages is the high cost in both hours and ££. Lets face it, we want to install our shiney new super EMS system, chuck in some numbers and get out and drive the car, not spend weeks on dynos/tracks/road validating if our fuel pressure sensor is outputing valid and quality data etc!
Yes the base map is the most important, this was set up ie dwell time ect on the bench dyno, before it was installed in the car, the process took 4 days, when it then went onto the rolling road for all the part throttle and fine tuning, this is when we found the other problems, ie week spark to coil, fuel pressure dropping off, had we not found these problems the car would of been ready weeks ago, we then had to re make the coil loom and find the fuel pressure problem.The downside of that necessary rigure during the inital stages is the high cost in both hours and ££. Lets face it, we want to install our shiney new super EMS system, chuck in some numbers and get out and drive the car, not spend weeks on dynos/tracks/road validating if our fuel pressure sensor is outputing valid and quality data etc!
Hopefully its all been corrected , so its back on the rolling road again for the final power runs.
I only done the track and road runs to get it exactly how i like it, whilst driving on the road, and track.
If all goes well on Tue? then for others, it will be just a matter of putting the numbers in, and then a session on the rolling road to set the cal settings to your own personal set up, so less time spent on rolling roads and mapping.
GTO600 said:
Hi Craig, how did it go on the rollers last night ?
Good news at last, she ran yesterday without a hitch, she made great power and was so smooth, she even sounds completely different, alot deeper and throaty, the throttle response is now superb, she ticks over spot on, and even the cold start this morning was spot on. Thanks to the 2 Steves at track and road and of course Terry, between them spent 6 hours doing all the runs and setting the 8 cal positions.She made 620bhp 560 ftlb the very first run, The problem the guys encountered, was the plugs came loose so the spark blew out again and it was a panic, but they soon found the problem and she was faultless from there on.
Only thing Terry forgot was on map 8 he didnt change the cal switch from 7 so we dont the the final result but me thinks it will be the same as on the bench, so around 650bhp 570ftlb. Finally have a car to drive, now just need to get some miles on the clock and see how things settle and how reliable it all is, First impressions are very good she drives so much better, the power is there at 2000rpm and keeps pushing on all the way to 7350 were we set the rev lmt, its absolutely crazy fast, thats the only way i can describe it but still completely drivable.
Thanks guys, as Vinny said in lock stock its been emotional but hopefully worth the effort.
Si, Skip and Martin have been great down at Bespoke nothing has been to much trouble, and they have gone out there way to get the car finished no matter what time of day or night it is, so big thanks to them too.
Si, Skip and Martin have been great down at Bespoke nothing has been to much trouble, and they have gone out there way to get the car finished no matter what time of day or night it is, so big thanks to them too.
king last,well done me old Moonshine you desrve a good drive now,Wheres all the doubters Now 
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