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Chapppers said:
Well exactly, most of the recent breed of hot hatches would've just as quick or quicker than a Noble point to point down a B -road, perhaps even on track. Doesn't make the Noble any less enjoyable to drive or own though.
Really? I think the noble in question needs some serious tlc.Chapppers said:
No, it's fine thanks. But AWD, torque vectoring and modern DSC sure make it easier for less experienced drivers to access those kinds of speeds, specially when they're sitting at shopping car height and can see over the hedges too.
Wasn't specifically meaning your noble.On a track though? Surely not with even a modicum of skill?
I didn't say a track did I? However I do know of a popular track in Germany that people like to set lap times on and there's a FWD Honda Civic that's been round there recently in 7mins and 50 seconds. Nobody's ever properly set a time in a Noble unfortunately but I doubt it would be much quicker. Imagine that guy caught you up while you were going down your favourite B road...
Unfortunately every year performance cars that have already been made get a little bit comparatively slower every year without actually getting any slower. It's the march of technology. Rememeber the 70s "supercars" that top gear tested that that are now a little slower than a well peddaled Astra Diesel?
Unfortunately every year performance cars that have already been made get a little bit comparatively slower every year without actually getting any slower. It's the march of technology. Rememeber the 70s "supercars" that top gear tested that that are now a little slower than a well peddaled Astra Diesel?
New listing on PH classifieds M12 GTO 3R AT £55000.
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
Ian Perry said:
New listing on PH classifieds M12 GTO 3R AT £55000.
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
A spanner inside the car in a for sale advert, always a good sign lolwww.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
mrpbailey said:
Ian Perry said:
New listing on PH classifieds M12 GTO 3R AT £55000.
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
A spanner inside the car in a for sale advert, always a good sign lolwww.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
Please don't do it! Or at least for a while longer. Having just sold my Tvr Griffith I am hoping to join the noble family but only have 25k for a 2.5. Do we really buy these specialist cars as investments? If I wanted to invest I would buy a Porsche. Its the experience and thrill of driving, over money for my hobby.
Ian Perry said:
New listing on PH classifieds M12 GTO 3R AT £55000.
www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
Never met the car or the owner, but it looks gorgeous and clearly much has been spent on it. It's a very rare opportunity for someone with the right budget. Good luck to the seller. www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/noble/m1...
cdhoole said:
Like most people I am perplexed as to why the Noble is so cheap (and it is), but there has to be a reason and my best guess (is as you will have gathered by now), is people think alternatives are more attractive even at this price.
If you mean alternatives like Porkers and Jags, I'm very doubtful that most punters in the market for a car like that would even be aware of the M12, and besides they're not comparable. One of the remarkable, pleasing and annoying things about the Noble is that you can't get anything quite like it for the money. And that's as true at 50k as it is at 30k. All in my opinion.
Chapppers said:
I didn't say a track did I? However I do know of a popular track in Germany that people like to set lap times on and there's a FWD Honda Civic that's been round there recently in 7mins and 50 seconds. Nobody's ever properly set a time in a Noble unfortunately but I doubt it would be much quicker. Imagine that guy caught you up while you were going down your favourite B road...
Unfortunately every year performance cars that have already been made get a little bit comparatively slower every year without actually getting any slower. It's the march of technology. Rememeber the 70s "supercars" that top gear tested that that are now a little slower than a well peddaled Astra Diesel?
Yes you said "perhaps even on a track". I don't care what technology happens; under 1100kg and 400bhp in a proper chassis is beyond any hatch on any track. At least for now. Unless it's snowing there.Unfortunately every year performance cars that have already been made get a little bit comparatively slower every year without actually getting any slower. It's the march of technology. Rememeber the 70s "supercars" that top gear tested that that are now a little slower than a well peddaled Astra Diesel?
Spindoctor said:
If you mean alternatives like Porkers and Jags, I'm very doubtful that most punters in the market for a car like that would even be aware of the M12, and besides they're not comparable. One of the remarkable, pleasing and annoying things about the Noble is that you can't get anything quite like it for the money. And that's as true at 50k as it is at 30k.
All in my opinion.
But if people who admire Porsches and Jags are not even aware of Nobles then that is reducing the market even more. Porsches and Jags are great cars for all sorts of reasons, especially for those on a fairly short budget, and I would have thought anyone who is interested in them might well be aware of the Noble. If not people who take an interest in cars like these, then who?!All in my opinion.
When you say you can't get anything like a Noble even at £50,000 you can get some interesting cars, not quite as quick, or not as fast (as in round corners or on a track), but quick nonetheless and more reliable, more useable, with a warranty (useful if you can't repair cars yourself). A car that doesn't need constant fettling (is there such a word?), attention and one that doesn't leak or melt wiring and has a reverse light that works all the time......
I would pay £50,000 for a Noble if I had to but I can wholly understand at that price more and more people choosing alternatives (in so much they already seem to be doing so when a Noble cost £35,000 otherwise demand would push prices higher).
cdhoole said:
But if people who admire Porsches and Jags are not even aware of Nobles then that is reducing the market even more. Porsches and Jags are great cars for all sorts of reasons, especially for those on a fairly short budget, and I would have thought anyone who is interested in them might well be aware of the Noble. If not people who take an interest in cars like these, then who?!
When you say you can't get anything like a Noble even at £50,000 you can get some interesting cars, not quite as quick, or not as fast (as in round corners or on a track), but quick nonetheless and more reliable, more useable, with a warranty (useful if you can't repair cars yourself). A car that doesn't need constant fettling (is there such a word?), attention and one that doesn't leak or melt wiring and has a reverse light that works all the time......
I would pay £50,000 for a Noble if I had to but I can wholly understand at that price more and more people choosing alternatives (in so much they already seem to be doing so when a Noble cost £35,000 otherwise demand would push prices higher).
I agree with pretty much zero you have said so far on this thread. People who want a car under warranty, no fettling required, new/modern etc are not going to be looking at a Noble in the first place! When you say you can't get anything like a Noble even at £50,000 you can get some interesting cars, not quite as quick, or not as fast (as in round corners or on a track), but quick nonetheless and more reliable, more useable, with a warranty (useful if you can't repair cars yourself). A car that doesn't need constant fettling (is there such a word?), attention and one that doesn't leak or melt wiring and has a reverse light that works all the time......
I would pay £50,000 for a Noble if I had to but I can wholly understand at that price more and more people choosing alternatives (in so much they already seem to be doing so when a Noble cost £35,000 otherwise demand would push prices higher).
I think the last few weeks on here and facebook have proven there are enough people out there looking to buy Nobles. More demand than supply = prices go up!
mrpbailey said:
I agree with pretty much zero you have said so far on this thread. People who want a car under warranty, no fettling required, new/modern etc are not going to be looking at a Noble in the first place!
I think the last few weeks on here and facebook have proven there are enough people out there looking to buy Nobles. More demand than supply = prices go up!
And there could hardly be less demand than supply right now I think the last few weeks on here and facebook have proven there are enough people out there looking to buy Nobles. More demand than supply = prices go up!
I think the Noble's strength is that it occupies a unique niche. On one side the daily usable 'nice' cars (911, Jags, R8, Vantage, etc.) which are lovely but a little heavy and which sacrifice dynamics to some extent in the interests of comfort. On the other side you have your toys (Atom, Caterham, Zenos, etc.) which are terrific fun but too compromised to use as often as you would like. The Noble treads a fine line between them all, offering some of comfort/usability of the former, and most of the dynamics of the latter - with performance not outshone by any of them. The demand comes from people who appreciate all of this.
Edited by macky17 on Friday 12th February 11:51
cdhoole said:
But if people who admire Porsches and Jags are not even aware of Nobles then that is reducing the market even more. Porsches and Jags are great cars for all sorts of reasons, especially for those on a fairly short budget, and I would have thought anyone who is interested in them might well be aware of the Noble. If not people who take an interest in cars like these, then who?!
When you say you can't get anything like a Noble even at £50,000 you can get some interesting cars, not quite as quick, or not as fast (as in round corners or on a track), but quick nonetheless and more reliable, more useable, with a warranty (useful if you can't repair cars yourself). A car that doesn't need constant fettling (is there such a word?), attention and one that doesn't leak or melt wiring and has a reverse light that works all the time......
I would pay £50,000 for a Noble if I had to but I can wholly understand at that price more and more people choosing alternatives (in so much they already seem to be doing so when a Noble cost £35,000 otherwise demand would push prices higher).
That sounds like a good description of my 997 the Noble has been far more reliable[that's done it] Porsche build quality is sWhen you say you can't get anything like a Noble even at £50,000 you can get some interesting cars, not quite as quick, or not as fast (as in round corners or on a track), but quick nonetheless and more reliable, more useable, with a warranty (useful if you can't repair cars yourself). A car that doesn't need constant fettling (is there such a word?), attention and one that doesn't leak or melt wiring and has a reverse light that works all the time......
I would pay £50,000 for a Noble if I had to but I can wholly understand at that price more and more people choosing alternatives (in so much they already seem to be doing so when a Noble cost £35,000 otherwise demand would push prices higher).
te its not even on par with BMW or Audi in fact my R32 is better built.911UK is littered with IMS failures and scored bores stories ,for what its worth I am not a Porsche hater I really would like another but they are truly a liability .
You could debate this forever & it could become quite heated, but the answer to the lack of price increase is quite simple....I own one. And nothing I have ever bought has gone up in value. It's me and I apologise to you all. Sadly, unless you decide to kill me or I just happen to turn my toes up in a less money orientated fashion, you will all be stuck with your low priced supercars. The only other thing you could do is try to convince me not to keep my 3R for life. But I think you'll be wasting your time!
macky17 said:
I think the Noble's strength is that it occupies a unique niche. On one side the daily usable 'nice' cars (911, Jags, R8, Vantage, etc.) which are lovely but a little heavy and which sacrifice dynamics to some extent in the interests of comfort. On the other side you have your toys (Atom, Caterham, Zenos, etc.) which are terrific fun but too compromised to use as often as you would like. The Noble treads a fine line between them all, offering some of comfort/usability of the former, and most of the dynamics of the latter - with performance not outshone by any of them. The demand comes from people who appreciate all of this.
The Noble's market is the kind of individuals who buy TVRs. Not scared of the bespoke nature and challenges of ownership. Not put off by the age of the cars. But perhaps scared of something more exotic/Italian (i.e. cost of ownership and reliability - not performance)Edited by macky17 on Friday 12th February 11:51
I've always seen the Noble as something that you progress to, after owning a TVR.
How many current owners are ex TVR owners? And how many searchers are current/ex TVR owners?
And with TVR prices going through the roof, then we can see we actually have a problem with Noble prices - why aren't they increasing at a similar rate? If a Sag goes for over £60k, so should an M400...
Jarcy said:
And with TVR prices going through the roof, then we can see we actually have a problem with Noble prices - why aren't they increasing at a similar rate? If a Sag goes for over £60k, so should an M400...
Many of us here have been asking the same question for years now. Maybe the tide is finally changing 
macky17 said:
mrpbailey said:
I agree with pretty much zero you have said so far on this thread. People who want a car under warranty, no fettling required, new/modern etc are not going to be looking at a Noble in the first place!
I think the last few weeks on here and facebook have proven there are enough people out there looking to buy Nobles. More demand than supply = prices go up!
And there could hardly be less demand than supply right now I think the last few weeks on here and facebook have proven there are enough people out there looking to buy Nobles. More demand than supply = prices go up!
I think the Noble's strength is that it occupies a unique niche. On one side the daily usable 'nice' cars (911, Jags, R8, Vantage, etc.) which are lovely but a little heavy and which sacrifice dynamics to some extent in the interests of comfort. On the other side you have your toys (Atom, Caterham, Zenos, etc.) which are terrific fun but too compromised to use as often as you would like. The Noble treads a fine line between them all, offering some of comfort/usability of the former, and most of the dynamics of the latter - with performance not outshone by any of them. The demand comes from people who appreciate all of this.
Edited by macky17 on Friday 12th February 11:51
And the fact that this type of car will never ever be built again, at 30K,50K or 75K.
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