Definitive solution for M12 intercooler

[Ash GTO 3R]

Mine is ordered!

Will let you all know how it goes.

I prefer the elegant solution personally and saw Pauls car yesterday and I must say, the IC looked teriffic, even though it was behind the mesh!

Mental note, need stick on number plate for rear bumber and one for the front.

[caccobra]

Ash GTO 3R said:

Mine is ordered! Will let you all know how it goes. I prefer the elegant solution personally and saw Pauls car yesterday and I must say, the IC looked teriffic, even though it was behind the mesh! Mental note, need stick on number plate for rear bumber and one for the front.

Can someone pass along how we in the States can order one of the Faulk's intercoolers too?

Thanks.

Craig

[slinky]

caccobra said:

Ash GTO 3R said: Mine is ordered! Will let you all know how it goes. I prefer the elegant solution personally and saw Pauls car yesterday and I must say, the IC looked teriffic, even though it was behind the mesh! Mental note, need stick on number plate for rear bumber and one for the front. Can someone pass along how we in the States can order one of the Faulk's intercoolers too? Thanks. Craig

www.faulksperformance.com

slinky

[turnbaugh]

Paul,

What was the outside temperature when you did your test? I am wondering what the IC will do on a 90 degree (F) day here in Texas. Dean T

[paulcundy]

turnbaugh said:

Paul, What was the outside temperature when you did your test? I am wondering what the IC will do on a 90 degree (F) day here in Texas. Dean T

Not sure, I know it was very cold. Guys did anyone measure the ambient temp? Can we track it from a weather site? Matt might know.
Regards
Paul C

[Matt_fp]

paulcundy said:

turnbaugh said: Paul, What was the outside temperature when you did your test? I am wondering what the IC will do on a 90 degree (F) day here in Texas. Dean T Not sure, I know it was very cold. Guys did anyone measure the ambient temp? Can we track it from a weather site? Matt might know. Regards Paul C

The Ambient temperature was 8 degrees centigrade. It certainly felt a fair bit colder than that as the wind was very cold.

The IC package would perform admirably in Texas, SA or anywhere with a very high ambient temperature, all it would mean is that the fan would activiate for a greater length of time and more often than it would in a cooler ambient. We'd expect to see an increase in charge temperature over the above figures recorded from Pauls car but still well below the 40 degree limit.

Best Regards
Matt

[jmg944t]

Matt_fp said:

The Ambient temperature was 8 degrees centigrade. It certainly felt a fair bit colder than that as the wind was very cold. The IC package would perform admirably in Texas, SA or anywhere with a very high ambient temperature, all it would mean is that the fan would activiate for a greater length of time and more often than it would in a cooler ambient. We'd expect to see an increase in charge temperature over the above figures recorded from Pauls car but still well below the 40 degree limit. Best Regards Matt

I think this is a great intercooler and it performs worlds better than stock. That said I take issue with your above statement. The temp difference between 90F and 40C is only 8C.(14.4F) If you look at your test data you can see that the intercooler did not get within 8C of ambient. Of course the fan was not on and that may have been enough to get it there. But even with the fan on in 32C ambient (90F) it is questionable that it will keep it below 40C and certainly not "well below". It is a great product but like any heat transfer device it is not 100% efficient.

[kj-r]

James, you are correct with an ambient of 32oC you are very unlikely to maintain temps below 40oC even with fans when pushing hard on track.

My car is fitted with the Noble Motorsport intercooler which is longer than the Faulks and has small end tanks but made in the same way by Pace, l have fitted an in car electronic thermomenter with max/min recall measuring the actual air temp between the intercooler and the throttle body so a true assesment could be made.
My car at Rockingham while really working it hard on track reached 32.2oC and after a cooldown lap returning to the paddock lowered to 19.7oC, so l think Paul's reading doesn't really reflect the true on track temp of the air .
On the road with normal running it holds approx 6-8oC above ambient unless you are accelerating hard when it will rise approx 15oC above.
I have yet to fit fans, but think essential if to maintain below 40oC on track in the UK with an ambient above 20-25oC.

Kevin

>> Edited by kj-r on Tuesday 22 March 12:30

[Matt_fp]

Apologies miscalculated my f to c conversion. Your likely to see somewhere in the region of 46 - 49 degrees C charge temperature in a 32 degree C ambient. However its worth noting that these temperatures are similar to the standard IC's performance in 8 degrees C ambient. As such the charge temperature would be very high in a 32 degree C ambient on a car fitted with the standard IC.

Best Regards
Matt

[jmg944t]

Matt,
As I said, it is a great product and everyone serious about getting around the track quickly should consider it. My problem was the math. FWIW I do C to F conversions the easy way. F= (Cx1.8)+32. I don't know if you guys ever use F but over here it is sometimes helpful to be able to do it in your head.

[caccobra]

jmg944t said:

Matt, As I said, it is a great product and everyone serious about getting around the track quickly should consider it.

Not just around the track.....from stoplight to stoplight on a hot summer day too.

[caccobra]

jmg944t said:

Matt, As I said, it is a great product and everyone serious about getting around the track quickly should consider it. My problem was the math. FWIW I do C to F conversions the easy way. F= (Cx1.8)+32. I don't know if you guys ever use F but over here it is sometimes helpful to be able to do it in your head.

To put this in terms that US owners can relate to....the standard IC was at 110F while the Faulks IC was at 70.7F after running on the track on Sunday (no fan running)The ECU will start retarding the engine above what? 104F? Pretty impressive results IMHO.

Craig

>> Edited by caccobra on Tuesday 22 March 18:18

[paulcundy]

Dear All,
Just a quickie to report that Matt and I did some "ultimate" testing today. Matt's going to get me the final figures but basicaly we took my car to Plans Motorsports test circuit and got it hot. We then plugged in Matts laptop and did realtime live data logging from the ECU. In particular we looked at the inlet manifold air temperature - basicaly the bottom line as far as the IC performance is concerned. We did this with his IC and we then swapped my standard factory IC back in and did it again. The ambient temp was 19-20'c throughout. We did the same mixture of "full on" driving with plenty of full power and full boost and lots of black lines on the surface as well as sitting with the car at tickover to simulate being in a traffic jam. The bottom line was that with Matts IC the temp whilst moving was never over 38'c, no matter what the speed, but rose to 41'c with the car standing still. We think the fan cut in at 41'c.

Doing the same test but with my original factory IC the temp started at 41'c and basically just kept rising. Even doing some 100 mph + runs it got to 54'c when we decided we'd proven the point. At this point it was still rising slowly. I am pretty sure it would have gone on rising even higher had we kept driving but we wanted to stop after the same elapsed time as we'd run the Faulks one.

The point of the IC is to cool the air getting into the engine. We were reading the temp of the air entering the engine from the temp sensor in the inlet manifold that is used by the ECU to manage the engine.

QED Matts' IC works.

The next step is to change the thermostat on the IC to one which cuts in at 38'c rather than the current 41'c but cuts out quicker (i.e. stays on for a shorter time).

Regards
PauL C


>> Edited by paulcundy on Sunday 3rd April 09:26

[V6GTO]

I was toying with the idea of getting mine changed, but after meeting Matt face to face, and after having a little chat, I'll be doing it for sure. Only question is when.
Anyone hesitating 'coz they don't know Matt or Paul, let me put your minds at rest. They are two top blokes, and I'll be using this IC in the near future.

Martin.

[chillidog]

FWIW I may well go for one post October 2005 when the 12 month warranty expires. Looks like a well tested and simple solution.

[jkbeau23]

Realize this is an old tread, how does one gp about ordering Matts intercooler?

[andygtt]

jkbeau23 said:

Realize this is an old tread, how does one gp about ordering Matts intercooler?

pete is selling his one

[RadarvT]

Hi guys,

I realise this is really really old.

I'm putting together an M12 GTO3 from a pile of parts that has been modified to R spec.

Of course the intercooler is missing, instead of just getting a standard one of which there seems to be a couple available on eBay, I was looking to upgrade to something better. Is Matt's one still available? What are people's thoughts on the ProAlloy version, which still seems to be available?

Thanks in advance.

Radar

[sundance002]

Give Martin a call at Bespoke in Herts,
He has a brand new one that i got from Tuxman
I never got round to fitting it, I would be happy to sell it, its alot more ifeciant, than the pro alloy one.

[mgbond]

Go on Pro Alloy website. Lots of nice bits you could be fitting as part of the build.