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All things equal, I'd take the EQC over the Model 3. The model 3 will be faster, a lot more frugal and have better road manners.
But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
mhocking said:
Thanks for the replies, must admit I am leaning towards the PS2 and my only real distance will be a 60 mile (mostly motorway) round-trip commute maybe 3 times a week when covid fades away...but the TM3 performance does still tempt me....then again I also like the look & interior of the EQC!
I don't want to be stuck with something for 3 years which has too many niggles. Perhaps I'll wait until I can get in & drive some of them rather than rush a decision.
thanks again
Hi, not sure where you are based but I have a Model 3 & Polestar 2 currently if you would like to try them. I don't want to be stuck with something for 3 years which has too many niggles. Perhaps I'll wait until I can get in & drive some of them rather than rush a decision.
thanks again
I have had a couple of issues on the Model 3 (steamed up rear lights & phone app issues), the main issue with the Polestar 2 appears to be the 4g connection but mine has been fine so far and I believe a recent software updated solved it for most people.
The EQC is nice but its a lot more than the Polestar the base model at £47k comes loaded with everything. If you are only doing a 60 mile round commute I would certainly consider one over a Model 3 myself or at least try both.
The major difference in terms of drive I have found is that in the Polestar the first part of the throttle is not very sensitive whereas the Tesla is the opposite and a tiny bit of pedal travels means you move very quickly!
ZesPak said:
All things equal, I'd take the EQC over the Model 3. The model 3 will be faster, a lot more frugal and have better road manners.
But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
mhocking said:
ZesPak said:
All things equal, I'd take the EQC over the Model 3. The model 3 will be faster, a lot more frugal and have better road manners.
But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.But I'd take the luxury of the EQC over all that....
I don't really see how these can be pit against each other though, as the base models are 50% a part.
In fact, you'd need to check every box on the TM3P to get it up to the price of a base EQC.
Just make sure the standard kit meets your requirements as both the Tesla and Polestar are well equipped as standard whereas the Mercedes does keep a lot of options back for the various additional cost packages (Driving Assistance, Premium, Premium Plus).
mhocking said:
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.
I thought RRP is to be taken with a grain of salt, not with a bag!
ZesPak said:
mhocking said:
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.
I thought RRP is to be taken with a grain of salt, not with a bag!
If an EQC is only £50 more its a no brainer, if its the same price as a Polestar I probably would have picked it as well personally as I do like Mercedes interiors and its a bigger more practical car.
greggy50 said:
ZesPak said:
mhocking said:
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.
I thought RRP is to be taken with a grain of salt, not with a bag!
If an EQC is only £50 more its a no brainer, if its the same price as a Polestar I probably would have picked it as well personally as I do like Mercedes interiors and its a bigger more practical car.
ZesPak said:
The difference between the latter two seems to be 2.2k for "MBUX interior assistant"? Who is that and what does she do for 2.2k?
It's also odd that one of the listed features of the Premium Plus Package is the Premium Plus Package?The assistant is no doubt voice and hand gestures where it'll do everything to ignore what you ask it to do and just dial a random from you phone list instead.
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As above, make sure it comes with everything you want as standard though as options are pricey, especially if adding to a lease.
The difference between the latter two seems to be 2.2k for "MBUX interior assistant"? Who is that and what does she do for 2.2k?
£5k for smartphone integration and some slightly bigger wheels though?
Smiljan said:
It's also odd that one of the listed features of the Premium Plus Package is the Premium Plus Package?
The assistant is no doubt voice and hand gestures where it'll do everything to ignore what you ask it to do and just dial a random from you phone list instead.
The assistant is no doubt voice and hand gestures where it'll do everything to ignore what you ask it to do and just dial a random from you phone list instead.
EQC is a lovely car but the real range is just short of being suitable for one of my regular journeys to family so it ruled it out for me. The other downside for me is the ICE based packaging, not a deal breaker but just something that contributed to choosing a Model 3 LR over it. One other thing - the very limited spec options on the EQC (at least in the UK) - I wanted a light interior, with smaller wheels and the driving assistance and premium pack. Not possible. You have to have AMG line to have premium and that means you have to have big wheels and you must have a black interior. For me, when spending £75k on a car I want it to be specified how I want it, not making compromises.
That said, if not buying outright I think the EQC is good lease option.
That said, if not buying outright I think the EQC is good lease option.
Edited by dazmanultra on Thursday 4th February 15:55
dazmanultra said:
EQC is a lovely car but the real range is just short of being suitable for one of my regular journeys to family so it ruled it out for me. The other downside for me is the ICE based packaging, not a deal breaker but just something that contributed to choosing a Model 3 LR over it. One other thing - the very limited spec options on the EQC (at least in the UK) - I wanted a light interior, with smaller wheels and the driving assistance and premium pack. Not possible. You have to have AMG line to have premium and that means you have to have big wheels and you must have a black interior. For me, when spending £75k on a car I want it to be specified how I want it, not making compromises.
That said, if not buying outright I think the EQC is good lease option.
I get that not being able to get the spec you want can be a deal breaker, but given the options on a M3 are next to nothing (black or black and white interior, no trim options, choice of 2 wheels on the LR) its hardly blessed with being able to make it just how you want it. That said, if not buying outright I think the EQC is good lease option.
mhocking said:
Agreed I've been looking at the options & amazed what you don't get for a £65k car - Apple Car play for example (not that I a big user of it).
At least carplay is an option. I sometimes wonder if people would prefer the car to be 70k except they'd probably then moan that they're paying for stuff they don't want. They can't win at times. I think thats especially true when the option you want is part of a "pack" when half the things you're not bothered about. Lots of people want say parking assist or lane change on their Tesla but have to stomach a £6,800 option to get them. DrJFoster said:
I get that not being able to get the spec you want can be a deal breaker, but given the options on a M3 are next to nothing (black or black and white interior, no trim options, choice of 2 wheels on the LR) its hardly blessed with being able to make it just how you want it.
Yeah definitely, I think it's a UK/RHD specific thing with Mercedes though (especially with the lack of interior colour options on some cars). I was ending up with budget creep on the EQC and when I was looking at the final price I was thinking "I could have a P400e Range Rover for a bit more...". Also I *think* you can add Car Play to the EQC via the Mercedes Me app for around £300 if you don't go for Premium, but worth double checking that first. Anyway, I'm happy with my Model 3, done about 1500 miles in 6 weeks. The performance is great, not that you use it much but it's especially useful for overtaking someone doing 40 in NSL. I also don't think I could have a car without pre-heating now. Downsides of the car - the way it looks. It's not a pretty car by any stretch.
greggy50 said:
ZesPak said:
mhocking said:
There's only a £50 a month difference between the TM3 LR and the EQC AMG line which considering the price difference seemed a good deal. The PS2 sits in the middle of both. Maybe the leasing company has a good deal with MB.
I thought RRP is to be taken with a grain of salt, not with a bag!
If an EQC is only £50 more its a no brainer, if its the same price as a Polestar I probably would have picked it as well personally as I do like Mercedes interiors and its a bigger more practical car.
It's why some cheap stuff is stupidly expensive to lease, as the residuals are so poor that you're financing the entire cost basically.
So volume discount from Merc and a better projected residual value would be help narrow the gap!
Day 2 of TM3 ‘ownership’ here, following 5 years in a Merc C350e.
After a 100 mile round trip for work today, as an appliance to get you around, I quite rate it. Powertrain works plenty well enough with adequate go, gear selector is in the right place, quiet, airy and efficient. The suspension let’s you know about every bump compared to the air of the Merc, but it much less frightened by the prospect of moderate cornering. Need to fiddle with the seat more to find the right position, but short in the base and lacking under-thigh support.
It’s when I delve a bit deeper into needing something from the screen it all went to pot, where’s the bloody radio?! What should be intuitive, meant pulling over and swiping around like a deranged ninja! I tried the voice control too but even my best BBC newsreader voice was met with a Gallic shrug of dismissal for finding some tunes, calling the missus or setting the nav for home - cue more screen prodding.
I was impressed with the adaptive cruise recognising other traffic cutting in and adjusting speed smoothly, just like I would have done in fact, and no episodes of the phantom braking the septics seem to rattle on about, yet... Autosteer is an interactive disaster compared to what I’m familiar from the Merc - the constant on and off, needing to reactivate manually after changing lanes rather than a subtle auto-reactivation once it had found the new lines, binging and bonging all the time like a demented doorbell!
Few delivery snags to sort, a crack in the glass roof being the major one. Otherwise a few teething issues like wonky alignment, a whistly drivers window that doesn’t quite seal up, condensated door pillar cameras and rear lights which fingers crossed with dry out with a bit of use. Tesla - sort the basics and lose the arcade and fart gimmicks.
So overall I think it’ll be set stuff how I want it and save as a profile, forget about everything else, schlep around on the adaptive cruise and steer myself, accepting it for what it is.
After a 100 mile round trip for work today, as an appliance to get you around, I quite rate it. Powertrain works plenty well enough with adequate go, gear selector is in the right place, quiet, airy and efficient. The suspension let’s you know about every bump compared to the air of the Merc, but it much less frightened by the prospect of moderate cornering. Need to fiddle with the seat more to find the right position, but short in the base and lacking under-thigh support.
It’s when I delve a bit deeper into needing something from the screen it all went to pot, where’s the bloody radio?! What should be intuitive, meant pulling over and swiping around like a deranged ninja! I tried the voice control too but even my best BBC newsreader voice was met with a Gallic shrug of dismissal for finding some tunes, calling the missus or setting the nav for home - cue more screen prodding.
I was impressed with the adaptive cruise recognising other traffic cutting in and adjusting speed smoothly, just like I would have done in fact, and no episodes of the phantom braking the septics seem to rattle on about, yet... Autosteer is an interactive disaster compared to what I’m familiar from the Merc - the constant on and off, needing to reactivate manually after changing lanes rather than a subtle auto-reactivation once it had found the new lines, binging and bonging all the time like a demented doorbell!
Few delivery snags to sort, a crack in the glass roof being the major one. Otherwise a few teething issues like wonky alignment, a whistly drivers window that doesn’t quite seal up, condensated door pillar cameras and rear lights which fingers crossed with dry out with a bit of use. Tesla - sort the basics and lose the arcade and fart gimmicks.
So overall I think it’ll be set stuff how I want it and save as a profile, forget about everything else, schlep around on the adaptive cruise and steer myself, accepting it for what it is.
“Constant on and off” is solved by getting FSD
I don’t do much motorway driving, but when I went to Wales a while ago I was able to let the car drive for quite an extended period with just confirmations of lane changes it wanted to do. Was pretty impressed.
Don’t know if I could hand on heart say that experience was worth the cost of FSD though!
I don’t do much motorway driving, but when I went to Wales a while ago I was able to let the car drive for quite an extended period with just confirmations of lane changes it wanted to do. Was pretty impressed.
Don’t know if I could hand on heart say that experience was worth the cost of FSD though!
foggy said:
Day 2 of TM3 ‘ownership’ here, following 5 years in a Merc C350e.
After a 100 mile round trip for work today, as an appliance to get you around, I quite rate it. Powertrain works plenty well enough with adequate go, gear selector is in the right place, quiet, airy and efficient. The suspension let’s you know about every bump compared to the air of the Merc, but it much less frightened by the prospect of moderate cornering. Need to fiddle with the seat more to find the right position, but short in the base and lacking under-thigh support.
It’s when I delve a bit deeper into needing something from the screen it all went to pot, where’s the bloody radio?! What should be intuitive, meant pulling over and swiping around like a deranged ninja! I tried the voice control too but even my best BBC newsreader voice was met with a Gallic shrug of dismissal for finding some tunes, calling the missus or setting the nav for home - cue more screen prodding.
I was impressed with the adaptive cruise recognising other traffic cutting in and adjusting speed smoothly, just like I would have done in fact, and no episodes of the phantom braking the septics seem to rattle on about, yet... Autosteer is an interactive disaster compared to what I’m familiar from the Merc - the constant on and off, needing to reactivate manually after changing lanes rather than a subtle auto-reactivation once it had found the new lines, binging and bonging all the time like a demented doorbell!
Few delivery snags to sort, a crack in the glass roof being the major one. Otherwise a few teething issues like wonky alignment, a whistly drivers window that doesn’t quite seal up, condensated door pillar cameras and rear lights which fingers crossed with dry out with a bit of use. Tesla - sort the basics and lose the arcade and fart gimmicks.
So overall I think it’ll be set stuff how I want it and save as a profile, forget about everything else, schlep around on the adaptive cruise and steer myself, accepting it for what it is.
Joe mode turns the bings and bongs off. After a 100 mile round trip for work today, as an appliance to get you around, I quite rate it. Powertrain works plenty well enough with adequate go, gear selector is in the right place, quiet, airy and efficient. The suspension let’s you know about every bump compared to the air of the Merc, but it much less frightened by the prospect of moderate cornering. Need to fiddle with the seat more to find the right position, but short in the base and lacking under-thigh support.
It’s when I delve a bit deeper into needing something from the screen it all went to pot, where’s the bloody radio?! What should be intuitive, meant pulling over and swiping around like a deranged ninja! I tried the voice control too but even my best BBC newsreader voice was met with a Gallic shrug of dismissal for finding some tunes, calling the missus or setting the nav for home - cue more screen prodding.
I was impressed with the adaptive cruise recognising other traffic cutting in and adjusting speed smoothly, just like I would have done in fact, and no episodes of the phantom braking the septics seem to rattle on about, yet... Autosteer is an interactive disaster compared to what I’m familiar from the Merc - the constant on and off, needing to reactivate manually after changing lanes rather than a subtle auto-reactivation once it had found the new lines, binging and bonging all the time like a demented doorbell!
Few delivery snags to sort, a crack in the glass roof being the major one. Otherwise a few teething issues like wonky alignment, a whistly drivers window that doesn’t quite seal up, condensated door pillar cameras and rear lights which fingers crossed with dry out with a bit of use. Tesla - sort the basics and lose the arcade and fart gimmicks.
So overall I think it’ll be set stuff how I want it and save as a profile, forget about everything else, schlep around on the adaptive cruise and steer myself, accepting it for what it is.
I did 400 miles in mine yesterday. I'd summarise it as follows:
Positive
Radio is fine once you figure it out and work out what voice commands work - good to switch between Radio 6 and streaming - I binge watched It's a Sin the other day, so ran the full Pet Shop Boys catalogue over Spotify.
I find it pretty comfortable - as good as the A4 and S7 that went before it, though again, it takes a while to dial the seat in
Having the power to nip in and out and scoot past dawdlers is great
It sits nicely on the motorway and is pretty quiet - got home and did not feel knackered
Sat nav is excellent. I call up the next supercharger using voice, it preconditions the batteries and 20 minutes charge is over and done.
Negatives
Autosteer is good but I did have a phantom brake when I based a wagon with trailer, and anything large on the hard shoulder will spook it
It takes a while to use the auto stuff, but I soon got into the swing. it does not have full FSD, but for wandering along the M6, it is fine
Wipers - b
dsCentre console rattle and steering just off to N/S - booked in but annoying you have to PDI your own car
Motorway driving does take a lot of power, so I had to make 2 stops plus a top up rather than use my own electricity (got free Supercharging for a year). That said, i had a slash, made several calls, caught up on emails and dialled in and sent a report, so pretty much what I would at a services in an ICE car on a day on the road.
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