Model 3 UK orders.
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So even more confusing.
If you choose the Performance model (329 miles, 162mph, 3.2 to 60) for £48,590 then on page 2 you now have to choose the "Performance Upgrade" for £3700 to option the 20" wheels, brakes, suspension, carbon spoiler etc.
So basically they've upped the default performance of the LR to P levels and are asking owners to pay £3700 if they want all of the rest of the bits?
ETA - There's also an odd addendum that "Carbon fibre spoiler and Dual Motor badge available for installation after your delivery".
If you choose the Performance model (329 miles, 162mph, 3.2 to 60) for £48,590 then on page 2 you now have to choose the "Performance Upgrade" for £3700 to option the 20" wheels, brakes, suspension, carbon spoiler etc.
So basically they've upped the default performance of the LR to P levels and are asking owners to pay £3700 if they want all of the rest of the bits?
ETA - There's also an odd addendum that "Carbon fibre spoiler and Dual Motor badge available for installation after your delivery".
Edited by SWoll on Friday 31st May 11:40
Heres Johnny said:
What it does look like though is that Tesla haven't sold everything they've made for the UK market
How do you work that out? There are over 4000 confirmed UK orders in the pipeline and only about 300 RHD VINs registered so far.It's more likely they haven't made enough RHD cars to fulfil the orders they already have up to now, but I expect that's going to change in the next 1-2 weeks.
We should see a lot more RHD VINs registered very soon.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Heres Johnny said:
What it does look like though is that Tesla haven't sold everything they've made for the UK market
How do you work that out? There are over 4000 confirmed UK orders in the pipeline and only about 300 RHD VINs registered so far.It's more likely they haven't made enough RHD cars to fulfil the orders they already have up to now, but I expect that's going to change in the next 1-2 weeks.
We should see a lot more RHD VINs registered very soon.
Add all that together and they haven't sold everything they have (= past tense, already built and on a ship) made for the UK.
Heres Johnny said:
Because they've cut back the UK website to a smaller number of cars and options, and they've dropped the price of the P3D and all still with a June delivery which is impossible to do for a custom order that still needed to be manufactured.
Add all that together and they haven't sold everything they have (= past tense, already built and on a ship) made for the UK.
I don't think you or I know why the configurations have changed and the sales staff certainly don't know either, but it won't be because they haven't sold every RHD 3 they've made to date, that's for sure.Add all that together and they haven't sold everything they have (= past tense, already built and on a ship) made for the UK.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Heres Johnny said:
Because they've cut back the UK website to a smaller number of cars and options, and they've dropped the price of the P3D and all still with a June delivery which is impossible to do for a custom order that still needed to be manufactured.
Add all that together and they haven't sold everything they have (= past tense, already built and on a ship) made for the UK.
I don't think you or I know why the configurations have changed and the sales staff certainly don't know either, but it won't be because they haven't sold every RHD 3 they've made to date, that's for sure.Add all that together and they haven't sold everything they have (= past tense, already built and on a ship) made for the UK.
You may well be right, but then that makes everything else they've done even more confusing?
SWoll said:
You're very sure for someone who admits that no-one has a clue what they are up to including their own sales staff.
You may well be right, but then that makes everything else they've done even more confusing?
Yes, it's confusing but look through the smokescreen and you can just make out a pattern emerging...You may well be right, but then that makes everything else they've done even more confusing?
We'll see if I'm right soon enough.
Well if you can explain how they can deliver a car that can be ordered today within 4 weeks or so, then unless you accept the car already exists (which is my view), or they have a free slot to build one in the next week (so no backlog which would be worse) and fly it into the UK for delivery (which would be expensive), then you're more creative than any of us.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 31st May 14:12
Heres Johnny said:
Well if you can explain how they can deliver a car that can be ordered today within 4 weeks or so, then unless you accept the car already exists (which is my view), or they have a free slot to build one in the next week (so no backlog which would be worse) and fly it into the UK for delivery (which would be expensive), then you're more creative than any of us.
I'm not saying some cars do not already exist. I'm saying if they do, it is to fulfil existing orders, which will be a mix of a few variants. That's different to custom ordering or picking options from a long list.There really aren't that many combinations and now they have rejigged the order page they will try and upgrade some.
This all could be due to battery production and wanting to make the best mix of cars to fulfil existing orders and make more margin from the number of cells they can make before the end of the quarter.
And I'll repeat the fact that the actual shipping is taking less than 3 weeks.
SWoll said:
So even more confusing.
Ideed. But looks like they simply call the LR AWD "Performance" now and increased the price by 690 GBP. To get the "Performance" version that is marketed as such in the rest of the world (track mode and engine performance software unlock, bigger brakes and rims), you have to add 3700 GBP. Which still makes it 4000 GBP cheaper than before. They/ve basically f***ed up
Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
Heres Johnny said:
They/ve basically f***ed up
Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
Er, no. The Performance is now what they called the 'stealth' in the U.S. or if you like it's an AWD LR with software 'unlocked'.Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
In other words, it's an AWD but without the uprated brakes, 20" rims, pedals, spoiler etc.
You can upgrade to the full Performance spec. for an extra £3700.
The only thing they should have removed is the line in the upgrade about increased top speed.
Kolbenkopp said:
Way I understand it, if you don't upgrade for 3700, you get the 0-60 and range from the performance model. Not sure how enforceable the range thing is, but the 0-60 should be. Also an easy software tweak for Tesla to liberate the ponies...
That's basically it. The LR has now become the Performance without a 19" rim option but with increased performance via software.The Performance can then be upgraded to, er, the Performance Performance, by adding the Performance upgrade, which includes 20" rims, bigger brakes etc.
See, it's easy really.
RobDickinson said:
Yep basically.. LR is now the P and you can go P+ with the pack. Nz is open too just sr+, p and p+
Interesting, thanks! Will be interesting to see if the P is really P+ performance without the goodies. Not a fan of the constant price / feature / name changing they do. But naming wise this is an improvement. IMO they've been selling the LR (AWD) model a bit short with the unsexy name. It's got pretty decent acceleration already. Now they have to find something clever to differentiate the full on "Performance" model.
sambucket said:
There is no where enough data to draw conclusions on RHD demand at this point! They havn't even started delivering LHD SR+ in europe yet.
Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but looks like they are offering the UK performance version (P3D equivalent) for almost 3k USD less than they do in the US [x]. And that is not including the shipping which they also absorb and the likely smaller margin on RHD cars. There must be a reason they are OK to make less money on UK cars. If demand was super high, I think they would have no need to adjust prices like that.[x] remove delivery, VAT and plugin grant, convert to USD.
Kolbenkopp said:
Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but looks like they are offering the UK performance version (P3D equivalent) for almost 3k USD less than they do in the US [x]. And that is not including the shipping which they also absorb and the likely smaller margin on RHD cars. There must be a reason they are OK to make less money on UK cars. If demand was super high, I think they would have no need to adjust prices like that.
[x] remove delivery, VAT and plugin grant, convert to USD.
USA car has the wheels suspension etc of the plus pack already [x] remove delivery, VAT and plugin grant, convert to USD.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Heres Johnny said:
They/ve basically f***ed up
Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
Er, no. The Performance is now what they called the 'stealth' in the U.S. or if you like it's an AWD LR with software 'unlocked'.Australia is the same as UK
The performance is quoted with the range of the LR but the Top speed and 0-100 time of the performance model
Click next and it tells you the top speed is the LR top speed and you can upgrade it by ordering the performance option
Arse and elbow.
In other words, it's an AWD but without the uprated brakes, 20" rims, pedals, spoiler etc.
You can upgrade to the full Performance spec. for an extra £3700.
The only thing they should have removed is the line in the upgrade about increased top speed.
If you read what I said... you select a car with one spec.... and when you clock next to add options, part of the spec regresses to a different spec and you have to purchase it
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