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I drive my M3P the same way I've driven every ICE car before it.
No, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
All the other points in the OP are common gripes some owners have and some don't.
Personally I'm completely happy with mine and I've joined those who don't feel any compulsion to drive an ICE car again. At least not a mundane one like a 3-series.
No, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
All the other points in the OP are common gripes some owners have and some don't.
Personally I'm completely happy with mine and I've joined those who don't feel any compulsion to drive an ICE car again. At least not a mundane one like a 3-series.
FurtiveFreddy said:
I drive my M3P the same way I've driven every ICE car before it.
No, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
same for me with my A45, except its very economical when your not 'on it' unlike the A45 lol which was just badNo, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
so much more money for blackjack and hookers now
JJMatrixx said:
I'm keen to put down some thoughts on my M3 performance so far (just under a month of ownership) to see if a) the experience is consistent and b) to create a platform for general ownership advice.
4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
3/4 of the rated range on the highway sounds about right and lines up with my experience. ~240 miles @ 80 mph.4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
1/2 of the rated range range in commuting is odd indeed, since the regen should be extending the range significantly. My car has indicated as much as 360 miles of projected range when I've been driving in town (no highway) and staying ahead of traffic.
Zcd1 said:
JJMatrixx said:
I'm keen to put down some thoughts on my M3 performance so far (just under a month of ownership) to see if a) the experience is consistent and b) to create a platform for general ownership advice.
4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
3/4 of the rated range on the highway sounds about right and lines up with my experience. ~240 miles @ 80 mph.4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
1/2 of the rated range range in commuting is odd indeed, since the regen should be extending the range significantly. My car has indicated as much as 360 miles of projected range when I've been driving in town (no highway) and staying ahead of traffic.
JJMatrixx said:
It's really not surprising in the slightest.
It is to me because I've never come close to that type of energy consumption, and I don't exactly mooch about...Good thing the car is still at least 3x as efficient as an equally powerful ICE vehicle would be under similar use...
Zcd1 said:
JJMatrixx said:
Heavy footed B road commute, most of which has no traffic.
Still amazing that you use more energy then than during highway driving...FurtiveFreddy said:
I drive my M3P the same way I've driven every ICE car before it.
No, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
All the other points in the OP are common gripes some owners have and some don't.
Personally I'm completely happy with mine and I've joined those who don't feel any compulsion to drive an ICE car again. At least not a mundane one like a 3-series.
Have to agree with Freddy here. Close friend of mine bought one recently and brought it round for me to drive. I was so impressed I've now ordered one - had expected Taycan to be my first electric, but impulsively couldn't wait so expecting it to arrive in a few weeks. Not expecting it to be perfect in every way, but Freddy is absolutely right that people get lucky/unlucky with individual cars and their faults. Some of the worst faults (and service) I've had has been with some of the most expensive cars, so its pretty random as to how an individual car will turn out. As something to use daily though am expecting the M3 to be lots of fun whatever its precise range turns out to beNo, I don't achieve the stated max. range. I have fun with it instead.
It's the same as when I used to have fun in my 3-series and got 21mpg out of it instead of BMW's claimed 45mpg.
The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
All the other points in the OP are common gripes some owners have and some don't.
Personally I'm completely happy with mine and I've joined those who don't feel any compulsion to drive an ICE car again. At least not a mundane one like a 3-series.
FurtiveFreddy said:
I drive my M3P the same way I've driven every ICE car before it.
The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
Can you provide some information on what TeslaFi does and how it helps.The best way to use these cars for long trips is to subscribe to TeslaFi and use Abetterrouteplanner. That way you will know how far the car will get you on a charge and, if you have to stop to top up, where and for how long.
Had a look on the website and it doesn't tell you much about how it works or what it does.
Zcd1 said:
JJMatrixx said:
It's really not surprising in the slightest.
It is to me because I've never come close to that type of energy consumption, and I don't exactly mooch about...Good thing the car is still at least 3x as efficient as an equally powerful ICE vehicle would be under similar use...
ntiz said:
But find the concept that when you get a Tesla you should change the way you drive and deal with your car a bizarre concept. If you bought any other car and were told not to use the heated seats or heating and you now have to coast 2 miles before a corner you would say that's a s
t car!
Not sure about that, people had to change the way they drove when diesels first became popular (and now so many people are so used to diesels that they can't drive a petrol car which needs revs)t car! DeltaOne said:
Close friend of mine bought one recently and brought it round for me to drive. I was so impressed I've now ordered one...As something to use daily though am expecting the M3 to be lots of fun whatever its precise range turns out to be
Congratulations - the car makes a compelling case for itself, as you found.Enjoy it!
springfan62 said:
Can you provide some information on what TeslaFi does and how it helps.
Had a look on the website and it doesn't tell you much about how it works or what it does.
It connects to your Tesla and reads all the data from your trips, charging sessions, battery efficiency and condition and stores and displays that data so you can look back at trips you've done and see exactly how much energy you've used, your route etc etc.Had a look on the website and it doesn't tell you much about how it works or what it does.
It also allows you to schedule different actions ahead of time, such as when you want to start charging, alert you if you've forgotten to plug in or lock the doors, precondition the car and other things the Tesla app does, but you can set shedules and save them so they happen automatically.
It can give you reports over time of battery efficiency and degredation. It keeps track of software updates. It does a lot of things. You can sign up and get the first 14 days free.
If you use it with ABRP, the data from your car is used to make the route plan much more accurate and update in real time. I've done a couple of long trips planned in ABRP and linked to TeslaFi and the predicted energy consumption was within 2% of the actual throughout the whole trip with me driving normally and not staring at the energy meter the whole time.
ABRP is also much better than I would ever be at planning charge stops. Sometimes it might be better to stop on the outward part of your trip for 5 minutes at a Supercharger to avoid a much longer stop on the way back at a slower charger, for instance. For $50 a year for TeslaFi and donate what you like for ABRP, it's a no brainer IMO.
springfan62 said:
Can you provide some information on what TeslaFi does and how it helps.
Had a look on the website and it doesn't tell you much about how it works or what it does.
It taps into the cars data and extracts all sorts of information. All journeys are logged with speed,distance, time,energy usage, weather and elevation changes. All charges are captured, showing you energy stored and charging losses, voltage rates, and costs etc. Costs are captured based on what you input and locations can be tagged.Had a look on the website and it doesn't tell you much about how it works or what it does.
You can set various schedules for the heating to come on, charging to start/stop with email reminders if you haven't plugged in etc. These can all be location specific, so you could have the heating come on 10 minutes before you finish work, but that'll only kick in when the car is at work. There's a fleet software tracker so you know when an OTA is likely to be forthcoming, plus a history of your own update history.
It's a geeks paradise, but has been proven useful when e.g. the like of Parking Eye think you've overstayed your welcome, but you can prove differently.
Here's a screen grab of a road trip I did, and all of the drives within this, and the charging stops etc could be looked at.
It costs $5 a month, and about 8.5k users at the moment.
High beam auto works great for me, but it's very dark round here.
On a dry day, I get rated range on flat ground, about 55 - 60 mph average speed. I'm lucky to have quick free charging, so pay zero attention to efficiency tho.
Never charged to 100 but seems to correlate to 310 rnge.
Auto wipers are much les sensitive than I wold manually set, but it's more annoying than unsafe. AP doesn't seem to mind.
My audio was nuts for a while but seems to have settled.
Couldn't get comfy in the seats at first but feel fine after 2000 miles.
Maps are not customisable at all?
Voice command accurate at transcribing, but doesn't translate to commands - unusable. Seems likely to be fixed in an update.
AP is great in US style situations. But anything UK, eg cars on the side of the road etc and degrades very quickly.
On a dry day, I get rated range on flat ground, about 55 - 60 mph average speed. I'm lucky to have quick free charging, so pay zero attention to efficiency tho.
Never charged to 100 but seems to correlate to 310 rnge.
Auto wipers are much les sensitive than I wold manually set, but it's more annoying than unsafe. AP doesn't seem to mind.
My audio was nuts for a while but seems to have settled.
Couldn't get comfy in the seats at first but feel fine after 2000 miles.
Maps are not customisable at all?
Voice command accurate at transcribing, but doesn't translate to commands - unusable. Seems likely to be fixed in an update.
AP is great in US style situations. But anything UK, eg cars on the side of the road etc and degrades very quickly.
JJMatrixx said:
You my friend, talk ste.
110 wh/m? No chance. Turn all batery drains off that you can, and it's 250 wh/m.
A/c won't significantly impact range? Talk ste.
Don't have a clue how to drive an EV? That's not the point of this post. The point are my observations of real world living - I didn't get the car to baby it around and not put the heated seats on.
Yeah your right it's the heated seats making your numbers high... te.110 wh/m? No chance. Turn all batery drains off that you can, and it's 250 wh/m.
A/c won't significantly impact range? Talk s
te.Don't have a clue how to drive an EV? That's not the point of this post. The point are my observations of real world living - I didn't get the car to baby it around and not put the heated seats on.
DJP31 said:
It taps into the cars data and extracts all sorts of information. All journeys are logged with speed,distance, time,energy usage, weather and elevation changes. All charges are captured, showing you energy stored and charging losses, voltage rates, and costs etc. Costs are captured based on what you input and locations can be tagged.
You can set various schedules for the heating to come on, charging to start/stop with email reminders if you haven't plugged in etc. These can all be location specific, so you could have the heating come on 10 minutes before you finish work, but that'll only kick in when the car is at work. There's a fleet software tracker so you know when an OTA is likely to be forthcoming, plus a history of your own update history.
It's a geeks paradise, but has been proven useful when e.g. the like of Parking Eye think you've overstayed your welcome, but you can prove differently.
Here's a screen grab of a road trip I did, and all of the drives within this, and the charging stops etc could be looked at.
It costs $5 a month, and about 8.5k users at the moment.
Thank you, not got my car yet but this sounds an interesting bit of geekery for when I get it.You can set various schedules for the heating to come on, charging to start/stop with email reminders if you haven't plugged in etc. These can all be location specific, so you could have the heating come on 10 minutes before you finish work, but that'll only kick in when the car is at work. There's a fleet software tracker so you know when an OTA is likely to be forthcoming, plus a history of your own update history.
It's a geeks paradise, but has been proven useful when e.g. the like of Parking Eye think you've overstayed your welcome, but you can prove differently.
Here's a screen grab of a road trip I did, and all of the drives within this, and the charging stops etc could be looked at.
It costs $5 a month, and about 8.5k users at the moment.
JJMatrixx said:
I'm keen to put down some thoughts on my M3 performance so far (just under a month of ownership) to see if a) the experience is consistent and b) to create a platform for general ownership advice.
So here's a few observations:
1. The high beam assist is horrendous. Doesn't dip for taillights until the last minute, doesn't dip at all in villages, takes forever to dip for on-coming traffic. Perhaps I have a calibration issue or this is consistent with others?
2. Does anyone know how much charge affects performance? It's clear that below c.60 miles it limps along. But below 200miles I'd say there's still a small dip. Anyone have any facts on this?
3. Mine fully charged gives a range of 302 miles. Tesla claim higher so a bit odd.
4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
5. My sensor on the wipers barely works so I need to use manual. Needs to go in but that's a total ball ache so I haven't bothered.
6. I've lost all sounds twice now and had to do a factory reset, which they talked me through on the phone. Seems to be sorted now.
7. The seats need an slidy adjustment thing under the thighs, like on Audi/BMW etc. As it stands, the seats really aren't very comfy.
8. Does anyone know the actual range reduction implications for running A/c and heated seats. My commute is short enough for me not to really worry about this but on a longer journey I was running with the A/c off to make the trip on one charge there and back.
9. Anyone know how to make the map go to 3D? It auto does it now and again but I'd rather that was the main view.
10. Voice command is woeful. Given how good Siri is and how few buttons there are, it's a weak area for the car.
11. Autopilot is too jumpy. I can put up with it but it can be twitchy with the brakes. I'd like to think I was a courteous driver so on the motor way, I'm very conscious of over-braking and causing people to queue up. However, that's impossible as every time you lift off the throttle, your brake lights come on. Must be a nightmare to sit behind!
I have loads more than this, but these are the main things
To be perfectly honest you might need to go to a Tesla forum such asSo here's a few observations:
1. The high beam assist is horrendous. Doesn't dip for taillights until the last minute, doesn't dip at all in villages, takes forever to dip for on-coming traffic. Perhaps I have a calibration issue or this is consistent with others?
2. Does anyone know how much charge affects performance? It's clear that below c.60 miles it limps along. But below 200miles I'd say there's still a small dip. Anyone have any facts on this?
3. Mine fully charged gives a range of 302 miles. Tesla claim higher so a bit odd.
4. My actual range is way less. When driving conservatively on the motorway, I get 3/4 of whatever it says. When commuting, I get half. So my actual range I'd say is closer to 1/2. For reference, I don't hang about and commute across a B road but even still, very poor.
5. My sensor on the wipers barely works so I need to use manual. Needs to go in but that's a total ball ache so I haven't bothered.
6. I've lost all sounds twice now and had to do a factory reset, which they talked me through on the phone. Seems to be sorted now.
7. The seats need an slidy adjustment thing under the thighs, like on Audi/BMW etc. As it stands, the seats really aren't very comfy.
8. Does anyone know the actual range reduction implications for running A/c and heated seats. My commute is short enough for me not to really worry about this but on a longer journey I was running with the A/c off to make the trip on one charge there and back.
9. Anyone know how to make the map go to 3D? It auto does it now and again but I'd rather that was the main view.
10. Voice command is woeful. Given how good Siri is and how few buttons there are, it's a weak area for the car.
11. Autopilot is too jumpy. I can put up with it but it can be twitchy with the brakes. I'd like to think I was a courteous driver so on the motor way, I'm very conscious of over-braking and causing people to queue up. However, that's impossible as every time you lift off the throttle, your brake lights come on. Must be a nightmare to sit behind!
I have loads more than this, but these are the main things
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