New Tesla Pickup Truck
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Sambucket said:
Any idea what their profit margins are per ride?
Probably not as high as Tesla’s fsd package I would wager.
I doubt they care, they are testing the technology and still developing it to cover more area. In the long run they might run a taxi service or they might licence the technology or they might do both.Probably not as high as Tesla’s fsd package I would wager.
We don't know how profitable Tesla's FSD is yet because it doesn't exist. Maybe they will have to refund everyone when they realize they can't do it. Maybe they will have to give everyone free expensive upgrades to make it work. Maybe they will get sued for stringing people along for 4+ years without delivering.
Heres Johnny said:
I've got to take issue with both of you.
Mobileye are following the same route as Tesla and aren't using LIDAR, their public release version of eyeQ4 is very capable (way past eyeQ3 which was the basis of AP1 and the version that Tesla are only just about beating now in terms of basic lane keeping capabilities) and they're well into eyeQ5 development.
On the flip side, Tesla are hankering over image visualisation as if that is all it takes to achieve FSD. There is way way way more to self driving than decomposing an image. The most noticable is the ability to understand movement and predict paths. It takes more than spoting a traffic light, thats really basic image detection stuff. Everytime you do a capture thing where it says click on "a store front" "a water hydrant" or "a person" it using simple image detection algorythms. Knowing how fast a car is coming towards you, whether its speeding up or slowing down, all to know if you can make a turn across its path before it reaches you.. and doing so without lkilling someboby 100% of the time.. thats a new order of magniture Tesla aren't at.
Actually predicting the paths of moving objects is a doddle.Mobileye are following the same route as Tesla and aren't using LIDAR, their public release version of eyeQ4 is very capable (way past eyeQ3 which was the basis of AP1 and the version that Tesla are only just about beating now in terms of basic lane keeping capabilities) and they're well into eyeQ5 development.
On the flip side, Tesla are hankering over image visualisation as if that is all it takes to achieve FSD. There is way way way more to self driving than decomposing an image. The most noticable is the ability to understand movement and predict paths. It takes more than spoting a traffic light, thats really basic image detection stuff. Everytime you do a capture thing where it says click on "a store front" "a water hydrant" or "a person" it using simple image detection algorythms. Knowing how fast a car is coming towards you, whether its speeding up or slowing down, all to know if you can make a turn across its path before it reaches you.. and doing so without lkilling someboby 100% of the time.. thats a new order of magniture Tesla aren't at.
Take 25 or whatever image frames, identify the same objects in every frame, map their positions into 3D, calculate the vectors and velocities (inc rotational) and extrapolate.
You can then add some intelligence based on the surroundings (adjust extrapolation based on the assumption a car will tighten the turn to make the road rather than run into a building; vehicle A and B are going to collide with the current predictions so assume both will stop before or at collision, etc, etc)
Image analysis, whilst not that hard, requires huge compute power and each identification has a confidence % that messes you up unless you account for it.
RobDickinson said:
you cant, they are not even planning to sell then. The gear on them costs $400,000 and they only work in areas that have been mapped to the milometer
No Waymo don't use HD maps, they use lidar on the car itself. Nissan and Cadillac use HD maps on the cars they sell for hands-free cruise on highways.Waymo uses standard maps and a sensor suite. The old one was $400k, the new one they have not released pricing information on but it's bound to be a lot cheaper because lidar has got a lot cheaper. In fact lidar is so cheap now Volvo is fitting it to 2021 models.
aestetix1 said:
RobDickinson said:
you cant, they are not even planning to sell then. The gear on them costs $400,000 and they only work in areas that have been mapped to the milometer
No Waymo don't use HD maps, they use lidar on the car itself. Nissan and Cadillac use HD maps on the cars they sell for hands-free cruise on highways.Waymo uses standard maps and a sensor suite. The old one was $400k, the new one they have not released pricing information on but it's bound to be a lot cheaper because lidar has got a lot cheaper. In fact lidar is so cheap now Volvo is fitting it to 2021 models.
My car can use autopilot on almost any road, I use it every day on my A road commute at 40-60mph.
I'd say my car is superior to the nissan/cadillac as it works in more conditions not just a straight road.
aestetix1 said:
No Waymo don't use HD maps, .
Guess you can tell waymo that then https://medium.com/waymo/building-maps-for-a-self-...
jamoor said:
My car can use autopilot on almost any road, I use it every day on my A road commute at 40-60mph.
Another one who didn't read the beta warning that says autopilot is only to be used on divided highways.When you crash on autopilot Tesla are going to tell you that it's your fault.
ZesPak said:
Source?
https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media...
RobDickinson said:
Thanks, I stand corrected, although it does say 10cm not millimetres.aestetix1 said:
jamoor said:
My car can use autopilot on almost any road, I use it every day on my A road commute at 40-60mph.
Another one who didn't read the beta warning that says autopilot is only to be used on divided highways.When you crash on autopilot Tesla are going to tell you that it's your fault.
It's much better than supercruise as it works on any road rather than premapped ones.
I'd far book an order for this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52988086 than the abysmal Cyber truck
Although the mentality of the valuation makes all rational conversations about carmakers seem moot
Although the mentality of the valuation makes all rational conversations about carmakers seem moot
Darkslider said:
Avdb said:
I am ready to buy either a Cybertruck, Nikola Badger or Rivian. Who will be first in the UK?
The Nikola looks absolutely terrific! I hope they bring them to the UK in RHD, but looking at the size of it it looks like they might not be considering the UK market at all 
You like it but it is far too big?
So it is great as long as you migrate to the USA.
This is me waving you off from the docks
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/electric-truck-n...
"a little-known electric-truck startup that went public last week,"
"Shares of Nikola, which is developing commercial and passenger vehicles using batteries and hydrogen fuel cell technology, have more than doubled since they began trading publicly on Thursday.
The startup's market capitalization eclipsed $30 billion in intraday trading Tuesday, higher than Ford's value of about $28.8 billion and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV of about $20.5 billion."
Total sales so far?
ZERO
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