Tesla Full Self Driving Test Software Goes Live in U.S
Discussion
Carl_Manchester said:
Some People here said it couldn’t be done...
It hasn't been done.Its beta and comes with warnings and disclaimers. It's not signed off by any governments.
Its good to see though, and a shout out to those paying for the privelage of being guinea pigs and offering free time, labour and costs to Tesla. And my sympathy to any victims that may occur when a driver fails to take control in time.
The Wookie said:
‘Beware this system might steer you into an oncoming truck, make sure you pay attention and it’s not our fault if you crash. Enjoy.’
The counterpoint is that the same could be read out to an 80 year old pensioner at the wheel of his/her 20 year old Nissan Micra as the ignition key is turned.Carl_Manchester said:
The Wookie said:
‘Beware this system might steer you into an oncoming truck, make sure you pay attention and it’s not our fault if you crash. Enjoy.’
The counterpoint is that the same could be read out to an 80 year old pensioner at the wheel of his/her 20 year old Nissan Micra as the ignition key is turned.Carl_Manchester said:
The counterpoint is that the same could be read out to an 80 year old pensioner at the wheel of his/her 20 year old Nissan Micra as the ignition key is turned.
Firstly if they’re not safe they shouldn’t be driving. secondly there isn’t a dangerous 80 year old behind the wheel of every Nissan Micra there isAlthough I will concede the world isn’t short of Nissan Micras piloted by incompetent giffers
Humans are not biologically designed for a context switch requiring sub second inputs. This has been proven time and again in air accident investigations. We’re really good at doing something that requires concentration, but we’re really crap at doing something else and then suddenly being asked to make an unrelated decision.
This experimentation is ridiculously dangerous, and and accidents should have the full weight of driving without due care and/or dangerous driving thrown at them in the U.K.
This experimentation is ridiculously dangerous, and and accidents should have the full weight of driving without due care and/or dangerous driving thrown at them in the U.K.
Bendy road at 5 mph - no issue for FSD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4asorQEhU&fe...
I think it has some ways to go yet. You have to remember they pushed this out to a load of youtubers just before announcing a price hike to try and get a load of people to buy the add on.
It's a sales tactic not a working system, even Tesla Bjorn today has been slating the normal Autopilot system for randomly slamming on the brakes. It really is such a long way from being ready now matter how impressive it can occasionally be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4asorQEhU&fe...
I think it has some ways to go yet. You have to remember they pushed this out to a load of youtubers just before announcing a price hike to try and get a load of people to buy the add on.
It's a sales tactic not a working system, even Tesla Bjorn today has been slating the normal Autopilot system for randomly slamming on the brakes. It really is such a long way from being ready now matter how impressive it can occasionally be.
rxe said:
Humans are not biologically designed for a context switch requiring sub second inputs. This has been proven time and again in air accident investigations. We’re really good at doing something that requires concentration, but we’re really crap at doing something else and then suddenly being asked to make an unrelated decision.
This experimentation is ridiculously dangerous, and and accidents should have the full weight of driving without due care and/or dangerous driving thrown at them in the U.K.
Good post. Arguably it's a lot more than sub-second This experimentation is ridiculously dangerous, and and accidents should have the full weight of driving without due care and/or dangerous driving thrown at them in the U.K.
Mikehig said:
Meanwhile, down at the racetrack......
https://news.yahoo.com/self-driving-race-car-drove...
That's half a lap further than Coulthard managed in some races.https://news.yahoo.com/self-driving-race-car-drove...
rxe said:
This experimentation is ridiculously dangerous, and and accidents should have the full weight of driving without due care and/or dangerous driving thrown at them in the U.K.
What about human drivers who cannot understand give way signs/traffic lights etc and cause scenes like this every day in every city often killing and injuring.When the police arrived at the scenes all they cared about clearing the road. Absolutely no interest in prosecuting the human driver for driving without due care or attention, even though the only way this accident occurred was because of human error.
Surely the law should be applied in all cases, so why isn't it?
gangzoom said:
What about human drivers who cannot understand give way signs/traffic lights etc and cause scenes like this every day in every city often killing and injuring.
When the police arrived at the scenes all they cared about clearing the road. Absolutely no interest in prosecuting the human driver for driving without due care or attention, even though the only way this accident occurred was because of human error.
Surely the law should be applied in all cases, so why isn't it?
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People are prosecuted all the time for causing accidents, maybe in your minor bump they didn't but it does happen a lot.When the police arrived at the scenes all they cared about clearing the road. Absolutely no interest in prosecuting the human driver for driving without due care or attention, even though the only way this accident occurred was because of human error.
Surely the law should be applied in all cases, so why isn't it?
[Img]https://live.staticflickr.com/4284/35229572236_16f84721bd_k_d.jpg[/thumb]
Mikehig said:
Meanwhile, down at the racetrack......
https://news.yahoo.com/self-driving-race-car-drove...
Did the VTEC kick in, yo?https://news.yahoo.com/self-driving-race-car-drove...
A bit OT but I remember a science fiction horror story as a child where a robot was developed to test and improve motorbikes.
It would find issues with the bike and mend them.
It all went well until a human biker had an 'off'.
The robot identified the human as the problem and decided to set about trying to 'alter' him.
The short story ended there.
Eeeeek!
It would find issues with the bike and mend them.
It all went well until a human biker had an 'off'.
The robot identified the human as the problem and decided to set about trying to 'alter' him.
The short story ended there.
Eeeeek!
Smiljan said:
People are prosecuted all the time for causing accidents, maybe in your minor bump they didn't but it does happen a lot.
Does that look like a 'minor' bump?? Air bags beployed both cars written off. But no human was prosecuted, so why would it be different if a computer was driving?The answer is it’s not acceptable in either case. We should be holding human drivers to a higher standard.
Additionally the risk is that your accident happened with one d
head having a brain fart at that particular moment on a particular day. Every other day the dick head at least has the advantage of wanting to remain alive, not having to waste money on replacing the cars he’s written off and, we live in hope, learning from his mistakes.
If an autonomous car makes a mistake then every car with that software could make the same mistake again and again until the software is corrected. With under developed self learning algorithms the solution might not be obvious either, or might have other unforeseen negative implications.
Additionally the risk is that your accident happened with one d
head having a brain fart at that particular moment on a particular day. Every other day the dick head at least has the advantage of wanting to remain alive, not having to waste money on replacing the cars he’s written off and, we live in hope, learning from his mistakes.If an autonomous car makes a mistake then every car with that software could make the same mistake again and again until the software is corrected. With under developed self learning algorithms the solution might not be obvious either, or might have other unforeseen negative implications.
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