My model 3 is trying to kill me?
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On the M6 this afternoon in the roadworks nothing in front of me.
Cruise control set at 52 going along nicely.
Then out of the blue the car slams the breaks on for no reason. At this point I have the best part of 44 tones about to run in the back of me.
Decided not to use it again, this is not the 1st time it’s done it.
Do you think I have one of the setting wrong?
Cruise control set at 52 going along nicely.
Then out of the blue the car slams the breaks on for no reason. At this point I have the best part of 44 tones about to run in the back of me.
Decided not to use it again, this is not the 1st time it’s done it.
Do you think I have one of the setting wrong?
Phantom braking - not an uncommon issue.
Mine has done it several times. It tends to be if there is something a bit "unusual" - artic with trailer, cone in central reservation, moon with Jupiter rising.
It's like a nervous horse sometimes.
Today, mine decided to shoot leftwards randomly and phantomed twice, for no obvious reason.
I actually hate the thing. Company car and glad to be leaving to pastures new, and a proper car.
Yes, i have experienced the same going through the roadworks, i disable it as soon as i go into roadwork zone or if there are cones on side of the road.
It is helpful but not to be trusted fully. It is still the best autopilot system i have tried though. I drove to Paris from London last week it almost did all the driving itself
It is helpful but not to be trusted fully. It is still the best autopilot system i have tried though. I drove to Paris from London last week it almost did all the driving itself
I hate the phantom braking, really unsettling and always expect to be rear ended!
But I haven’t had it for a few months - I don’t know if they have improved the software
In cruise, I always have my foot hovering above the accelerator just in case.
Overalll though, I still use it on all my motorway journeys.
But I haven’t had it for a few months - I don’t know if they have improved the software
In cruise, I always have my foot hovering above the accelerator just in case.
Overalll though, I still use it on all my motorway journeys.
Pooh said:
This is not unique to tesla, my Wifes car has the Bosch adaptive cruise control system and it occasionally does the same thing, it seems to have a particular issue with HGVs slowing down in exit lanes.
my BMW with the "front collision avoidance" done the silly thing quite a lot4 lanes bend driving in lane 1 going into the turn and the system detect a car in lane 3/4, system slam the brake
someone overtake me with at least 20 meters ahead or following someone in lane 1 and the front car turn left with more than 20 meter apart, the system slam the brake
country lane with car coming in the opposite, the system slam the brake
I’ve got one as a rental in Germany at the moment. I was quite excited to have a go. My god I’m very underwhelmed. But I also had this issue repeatedly.
Without trying to wind anyone up, I don’t get it. They have years of experience calibrating Level 2 ADAS and yet it’s one of the worst systems I’ve tried. Not only does it phantom brake….it also switches off lane assist every time you change lanes! I know there are indeed more poorly calibrated systems out there, but in my experience there are ask hundreds of better ones. It seems bizarre that a company developing self driving can’t get Level 2 Autonomy anywhere close to right.
Also of huge disappointment was basically everything else that makes it a car. The driving position, seats, user interface, steering, ride and road noise are all awful. A basic eco boost Fiesta is more refined and comfortable in nearly every way.
On the flip side, the range is super impressive. However I really think they need to get their act together. Once other manufacturers match the Kw/M of a Tesla, why you’d buy an M3 over something made by VW, Kia or BMW I don’t know.
Without trying to wind anyone up, I don’t get it. They have years of experience calibrating Level 2 ADAS and yet it’s one of the worst systems I’ve tried. Not only does it phantom brake….it also switches off lane assist every time you change lanes! I know there are indeed more poorly calibrated systems out there, but in my experience there are ask hundreds of better ones. It seems bizarre that a company developing self driving can’t get Level 2 Autonomy anywhere close to right.
Also of huge disappointment was basically everything else that makes it a car. The driving position, seats, user interface, steering, ride and road noise are all awful. A basic eco boost Fiesta is more refined and comfortable in nearly every way.
On the flip side, the range is super impressive. However I really think they need to get their act together. Once other manufacturers match the Kw/M of a Tesla, why you’d buy an M3 over something made by VW, Kia or BMW I don’t know.
RacerMike said:
Also of huge disappointment was basically everything else that makes it a car. The driving position, seats, user interface, steering, ride and road noise are all awful.
Must just not be for you.I find the driving position (and front visibility) superb. The seats excellent (if a little short). The steering, ride and road noise all excellent. The UI is a bit of a mixed bag.
page3 said:
Must just not be for you.
I find the driving position (and front visibility) superb. The seats excellent (if a little short). The steering, ride and road noise all excellent. The UI is a bit of a mixed bag.
I assess cars for a living and the ride and ergonomics are miles off anything else in the automotive industry. Visibility, range and powertrain NVH are definitely class leading.I find the driving position (and front visibility) superb. The seats excellent (if a little short). The steering, ride and road noise all excellent. The UI is a bit of a mixed bag.
I was really disappointed. I thought, from what I’d heard people say about the M3, that they had learnt how to make a car, but the same issues persist. The ride (in the rear seat) was almost unbearable for the rear seat passenger, and was comical as a driver at times, pogoing down the road. The compression damping is just way, way to tough.
They really need to get to grips with learning how to actually develop a car properly rather than design it in virtual world and then rush it into production with little to no development. They won’t have the class lead for range and charging much longer…arguably the charging benefit is already gone now that other cars can charge on their network.
RacerMike said:
I’ve got one as a rental in Germany at the moment. I was quite excited to have a go. My god I’m very underwhelmed. But I also had this issue repeatedly.
Without trying to wind anyone up, I don’t get it. They have years of experience calibrating Level 2 ADAS and yet it’s one of the worst systems I’ve tried. Not only does it phantom brake….it also switches off lane assist every time you change lanes! I know there are indeed more poorly calibrated systems out there, but in my experience there are ask hundreds of better ones. It seems bizarre that a company developing self driving can’t get Level 2 Autonomy anywhere close to right.
Also of huge disappointment was basically everything else that makes it a car. The driving position, seats, user interface, steering, ride and road noise are all awful. A basic eco boost Fiesta is more refined and comfortable in nearly every way.
On the flip side, the range is super impressive. However I really think they need to get their act together. Once other manufacturers match the Kw/M of a Tesla, why you’d buy an M3 over something made by VW, Kia or BMW I don’t know.
This is not my experience at all. I was completely blown away by how smooth, refined and effortless it was to drive. It's been an absolute revelation for me. You must have had a dud, or completely unrealistic expectations.Without trying to wind anyone up, I don’t get it. They have years of experience calibrating Level 2 ADAS and yet it’s one of the worst systems I’ve tried. Not only does it phantom brake….it also switches off lane assist every time you change lanes! I know there are indeed more poorly calibrated systems out there, but in my experience there are ask hundreds of better ones. It seems bizarre that a company developing self driving can’t get Level 2 Autonomy anywhere close to right.
Also of huge disappointment was basically everything else that makes it a car. The driving position, seats, user interface, steering, ride and road noise are all awful. A basic eco boost Fiesta is more refined and comfortable in nearly every way.
On the flip side, the range is super impressive. However I really think they need to get their act together. Once other manufacturers match the Kw/M of a Tesla, why you’d buy an M3 over something made by VW, Kia or BMW I don’t know.
Dimebars said:
Whistle said:
Do you think I have one of the setting wrong?
Yes, your right footPhantom braking is only an issue if you don't cover the accelerator while CC is set and don't react quickly if it happens
keith1976smith said:
This is not my experience at all. I was completely blown away by how smooth, refined and effortless it was to drive. It's been an absolute revelation for me. You must have had a dud, or completely unrealistic expectations.
Had no expectations. The ride is objectively tough and over damped. Especially for rear seat passengers, and the whole car feels unfinished from a development perspective in every way other than range, motor noise and motor performance. Ride, driver assistance calibration, steering and ergonomics feel a long way off the competition.Bear in mind my feelings do not necessarily make it a bad car. It’s just surprising that they’re so far off still in some key areas. I’m struggling to understand where their development cycle goes in the next 5 years. All the current range will be really outclassed by the rest of the car industry including a number of new start ups.
RacerMike said:
That’s a mad ‘solution’. It shouldn’t phantom brake. I’ve driven many cars with ACC and none of them phantom brake.
Covering the pedals while running on CC is a mad solution?What are you doing with your feet while you have CC engaged? Cutting your toenails?
I've used ACC on a few brands, and almost all suffer from some form of phantom braking to varying degrees
RacerMike said:
Had no expectations. The ride is objectively tough and over damped. Especially for rear seat passengers, and the whole car feels unfinished from a development perspective in every way other than range, motor noise and motor performance. Ride, driver assistance calibration, steering and ergonomics feel a long way off the competition.
Bear in mind my feelings do not necessarily make it a bad car. It’s just surprising that they’re so far off still in some key areas. I’m struggling to understand where their development cycle goes in the next 5 years. All the current range will be really outclassed by the rest of the car industry including a number of new start ups.
Well we can only go on our own experiences can't we.Bear in mind my feelings do not necessarily make it a bad car. It’s just surprising that they’re so far off still in some key areas. I’m struggling to understand where their development cycle goes in the next 5 years. All the current range will be really outclassed by the rest of the car industry including a number of new start ups.
My previous car was a BMW F31 330d. I had it 6 years, did 114,000 miles and it never put a foot wrong. It was definitely a gamble going from that to a Tesla, especially after everything I'd heard about their build quality. I've had my Model 3 Performance now since March this year, and so far haven't looked back. Ok, so the doors don't shut quite as nicely as the BMW ones did, and it obviously doesn't have the practicality of the touring body shape. But in all other respects, it's just superior and an absolute pleasure to live with.
That's why I'm slightly surprised at your assessment that it feels a long way off the competition.
keith1976smith said:
RacerMike said:
Had no expectations. The ride is objectively tough and over damped. Especially for rear seat passengers, and the whole car feels unfinished from a development perspective in every way other than range, motor noise and motor performance. Ride, driver assistance calibration, steering and ergonomics feel a long way off the competition.
Bear in mind my feelings do not necessarily make it a bad car. It’s just surprising that they’re so far off still in some key areas. I’m struggling to understand where their development cycle goes in the next 5 years. All the current range will be really outclassed by the rest of the car industry including a number of new start ups.
Well we can only go on our own experiences can't we.Bear in mind my feelings do not necessarily make it a bad car. It’s just surprising that they’re so far off still in some key areas. I’m struggling to understand where their development cycle goes in the next 5 years. All the current range will be really outclassed by the rest of the car industry including a number of new start ups.
My previous car was a BMW F31 330d. I had it 6 years, did 114,000 miles and it never put a foot wrong. It was definitely a gamble going from that to a Tesla, especially after everything I'd heard about their build quality. I've had my Model 3 Performance now since March this year, and so far haven't looked back. Ok, so the doors don't shut quite as nicely as the BMW ones did, and it obviously doesn't have the practicality of the touring body shape. But in all other respects, it's just superior and an absolute pleasure to live with.
That's why I'm slightly surprised at your assessment that it feels a long way off the competition.
The Tesla was rubbish. But brilliant away from the lights and round corners. For everything else I'd have the BMW. The Tesla didn't feel right with the suspension at all.
That's before all the service issues I had with it, the phantom braking being so bad I turned all the assists off, the real world range being awful, the lights and boot filling with water, the frunk bay covers rattling over 60mph, the software glitching, the mobile app failing to unlock the car, the keycards dropping out....
TVR_Steve said:
I agree with RacerMike, and I was able to compare the Tesla Model 3 to a F30 and G20 BMW 3 series back to back.
The Tesla was rubbish. But brilliant away from the lights and round corners. For everything else I'd have the BMW. The Tesla didn't feel right with the suspension at all.
That's before all the service issues I had with it, the phantom braking being so bad I turned all the assists off, the real world range being awful, the lights and boot filling with water, the frunk bay covers rattling over 60mph, the software glitching, the mobile app failing to unlock the car, the keycards dropping out....
Doesn’t seem to be the typical experience though…….The Tesla was rubbish. But brilliant away from the lights and round corners. For everything else I'd have the BMW. The Tesla didn't feel right with the suspension at all.
That's before all the service issues I had with it, the phantom braking being so bad I turned all the assists off, the real world range being awful, the lights and boot filling with water, the frunk bay covers rattling over 60mph, the software glitching, the mobile app failing to unlock the car, the keycards dropping out....
“Tesla tops the list of most satisfied customers in the entire auto industry
Tesla has topped the list of most satisfied customers in the entire auto industry, with Model 3 taking the top spot for for all cars globally”.
https://apple.news/Av_6dFOtjSIGt8hQ6Z_yqDw
My personal experience has been very positive with it being the best and most reliable car I have owned (and I’ve had numerous BMW, Merc, Porsche and An Aston). Both my wife and I love it and have no regrets at all about taking the plunge.
We test drove the M3LR back to back with the Taycan and chose the Tesla against my expectations.
It’s had one fault, water in a tail light, I reported it through the app and the Tesla ranger turned up at my house the same afternoon and fixed it. Can’t see how that type of service can be complained about really.
TVR_Steve said:
I agree with RacerMike, and I was able to compare the Tesla Model 3 to a F30 and G20 BMW 3 series back to back.
The Tesla was rubbish. But brilliant away from the lights and round corners. For everything else I'd have the BMW. The Tesla didn't feel right with the suspension at all.
That's before all the service issues I had with it, the phantom braking being so bad I turned all the assists off, the real world range being awful, the lights and boot filling with water, the frunk bay covers rattling over 60mph, the software glitching, the mobile app failing to unlock the car, the keycards dropping out....
Doesn’t seem to be the typical experience though…….The Tesla was rubbish. But brilliant away from the lights and round corners. For everything else I'd have the BMW. The Tesla didn't feel right with the suspension at all.
That's before all the service issues I had with it, the phantom braking being so bad I turned all the assists off, the real world range being awful, the lights and boot filling with water, the frunk bay covers rattling over 60mph, the software glitching, the mobile app failing to unlock the car, the keycards dropping out....
“Tesla tops the list of most satisfied customers in the entire auto industry
Tesla has topped the list of most satisfied customers in the entire auto industry, with Model 3 taking the top spot for for all cars globally”.
https://apple.news/Av_6dFOtjSIGt8hQ6Z_yqDw
My personal experience has been very positive with it being the best and most reliable car I have owned (and I’ve had numerous BMW, Merc, Porsche and An Aston). Both my wife and I love it and have no regrets at all about taking the plunge.
We test drove the M3LR back to back with the Taycan and chose the Tesla against my expectations.
It’s had one fault, water in a tail light, I reported it through the app and the Tesla ranger turned up at my house the same afternoon and fixed it. Can’t see how that type of service can be complained about really.
Edited by steveatesh on Monday 4th July 19:59
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