Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
ferrisbueller said:
bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
I said overall running costs. Depreciation is typically the single biggest one.
You didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
Yes it was my daily - but since I am retired I don't do vast miles - but did use for everything from holidays to going to the shops or the tip. Re valid costs, I can't find official current Porsche fixed prices but these are RPM ( a well known Indy) prices for my 981SYou didn't do enough miles in your Porsche for long enough to make a valid comparison to the Yaris servicing numbers you're referring to.
And it was your daily driver?
20k (2 years) £334
40k (4years) £414
60k (6 years including spark plugs) £606
None include brake fluid. Now the reason Porsche introduced fixed prices servicing it because these are the prices they are competing with. There is a limit to what people will pay an OPC for the same job. That would work out Vastly cheaper than servicing a Yaris at a Toyota dealer whatever mileage you did.
Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting a Porsche is going to be as cheap to own as a Yaris.
As I said, I would like to see the overall costs of running a Porsche as a daily doing 10k a year. I've done it with M3s and it gets ugly. Maybe it's not so bad now.
Blissy0 said:
Based on the GFV figures for the Yaris, it has the potential for a big depreciation cost. Still cheaper than a new Porsche, but I expect a used cayman/boxster at £33k would be fairly cheap on depreciation to the 2nd owner.
Agree. Indeed, there are numerous cars you could buy for £30k that could go up in value but, again, what does it look like when you're doing 10k a year as a daily?I also lost £13k in depreciation in less than two years, and I didn't buy the car new.
PhilPol said:
It is a surprising result, the drag from zero could perhaps be explained by tyres, we don't know what each car had and it was a cold night.
But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
Gear ratios must play a big part? I was a bit surprised at the quoted 0-62 at 5.5s but when I watched a few videos of launching you can see that includes 2x gear changes. Other testers managed 4.7-4.8 for 0-60. Acceleration between the ratios is clearly rapid. But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
ferrisbueller said:
bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
Brake fluid swap is about £110 and needs to be done every two years. In terms of servicing then yes, the Yaris intervals make the costs relatively high but that's not going to be the whole picture. And it's not so long ago that a car of a similar ilk like an Evo was on a 4.5k interval.
You go to the wrong OPC - mine "only" charged £90. It cost £50 on my wife's Seat, I expect it will cost at least that on the Yaris and will be required/recommended similarly often. Actually there is no need to do it as a matter of course - you can check the water content and only do it if it is excessive. You basically only need to do it because brake fluid is hygroscopic and it's boiling point falls the more water it absorbs.sorrento205 said:
PhilPol said:
It is a surprising result, the drag from zero could perhaps be explained by tyres, we don't know what each car had and it was a cold night.
But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
Gear ratios must play a big part? I was a bit surprised at the quoted 0-62 at 5.5s but when I watched a few videos of launching you can see that includes 2x gear changes. Other testers managed 4.7-4.8 for 0-60. Acceleration between the ratios is clearly rapid. But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
The 319bhp Civic Type-R seems to be a closer match, despite having FWD.
It’s a bit odd that nobody has made a video of the Yaris vs. the Golf R. I’m looking forward to that.
Holgate86 said:
I'll be doing less than 6k miles per year and anticipate service costs/running costs to be less than my 981 Boxster...by the way you should have had your plugs changed at four years not six. There's only 3 plugs to change at 6 years on the Yaris. One of the (many) reasons I bailed out of my Boxster was the impending £3k plus bill when the car was 4 years old, service was well over a grand with spark plugs and then there was the ridiculous 101 point check followed by another £1k plus for the warranty. Not to mention they wouldn't extend the warranty because I had a repaired rear tyre, wtf, I couldn't even fit Zunsport grills to protect the front condensers and keep my warranty. I hate being told like a child what I can and can't do with my own car.
I also lost £13k in depreciation in less than two years, and I didn't buy the car new.
Seems like you had a bad experience - and clearly chose an expensive OPC. My Porsche experience was much cheaper - and I only lost 15k over 4 years in depreciation on a near new car bought with 700 miles on the clock.I also lost £13k in depreciation in less than two years, and I didn't buy the car new.
But we are rather getting off topic. The fact remains that for a £30k car the Yaris is expensive to service unless you do the sort of modest miles you (and I for that matter) would do. That may well be offset by low depreciation, but that remains to be confirmed.
bcr5784 said:
ferrisbueller said:
Brake fluid swap is about £110 and needs to be done every two years. In terms of servicing then yes, the Yaris intervals make the costs relatively high but that's not going to be the whole picture. And it's not so long ago that a car of a similar ilk like an Evo was on a 4.5k interval.
You go to the wrong OPC - mine "only" charged £90. It cost £50 on my wife's Seat, I expect it will cost at least that on the Yaris and will be required/recommended similarly often. Actually there is no need to do it as a matter of course - you can check the water content and only do it if it is excessive. You basically only need to do it because brake fluid is hygroscopic and it's boiling point falls the more water it absorbs.bcr5784 said:
You go to the wrong OPC - mine "only" charged £90. It cost £50 on my wife's Seat, I expect it will cost at least that on the Yaris and will be required/recommended similarly often. Actually there is no need to do it as a matter of course - you can check the water content and only do it if it is excessive. You basically only need to do it because brake fluid is hygroscopic and it's boiling point falls the more water it absorbs.
Yes there is no necessity to have brake fluid changed if the fluid has not degraded. I understand completely what can happen to brake fluid to reduce its efficiency therefore requiring a change of fluid on safety grounds, but for the vast majority of road cars it will not be required at manufacturers recommended intervals. This is commonly 2 years, although Audi state 3 years from new then 2 years subsequently.
Throw track days into the mix and it can all change however.
Most owners simply have it done at service when it is recommended, but the test to determine if it is actually required is quick and simple.
The last time I needed to have brake fluid renewed on any car was back in the mid 90's.
MiseryStreak said:
sorrento205 said:
PhilPol said:
It is a surprising result, the drag from zero could perhaps be explained by tyres, we don't know what each car had and it was a cold night.
But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
Gear ratios must play a big part? I was a bit surprised at the quoted 0-62 at 5.5s but when I watched a few videos of launching you can see that includes 2x gear changes. Other testers managed 4.7-4.8 for 0-60. Acceleration between the ratios is clearly rapid. But the pull from 50 had much less to do with tyre choices, the Yaris simply walked away despite dropping back at the start. Hard to explain, perhaps the Yaris's lower weight is enough to overcome the RS's power advantage.
The 319bhp Civic Type-R seems to be a closer match, despite having FWD.
It’s a bit odd that nobody has made a video of the Yaris vs. the Golf R. I’m looking forward to that.
MiseryStreak said:
The MK3 RS is a lardarse, 1599 kg. But even so with 350 bhp and AWD it should be able to see off the Yaris.
The 319bhp Civic Type-R seems to be a closer match, despite having FWD.
It’s a bit odd that nobody has made a video of the Yaris vs. the Golf R. I’m looking forward to that.
1560kgs including an 80kg driver so more like 1480kgs. It is similar in weight to its competition so nothing absurd. Depending on what sources you believe a Golf R is between 9kgs and 50kgs lighter.The 319bhp Civic Type-R seems to be a closer match, despite having FWD.
It’s a bit odd that nobody has made a video of the Yaris vs. the Golf R. I’m looking forward to that.
The Golf R in DSG would be faster than either as automatic gearboxes are just so much quicker, not for me though, I'd rather be slower but have a manual 'box.
https://youtu.be/7OpYRTupJJ0
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 13th January 12:02
Mutton said:
Carwow drag race against the Mini GP 3: https://youtu.be/7OpYRTupJJ0
The mini isn’t standard fitted with a Venturi intake rated as an additional 15-18bhp 17-20Ib-ft torque. 
Elatino1 said:
The Golf R in DSG would be faster than either as automatic gearboxes are just so much quicker, not for me though, I'd rather be slower but have a manual 'box.
Rather more scientific than that Car Wow tests....Edited by Elatino1 on Wednesday 13th January 12:02
See https://zeperfs.com/en/duel8589-6750.htm Golf 7 rather than 8 (which has 10 more bhp) but the Golf has a useful advantage everywhere, and the latest version would presumably be a tad quicker again.
That’s a great site, but only scientific in theory, rather than practice. Run the numbers again with ~275 bhp (what the dyno tests seem to find) for the Yaris rather than 257 bhp, and it will produce results closer to the real world findings.
Anyway, too much willy waving, it’s unbecoming. I do love an underdog though, and the little 1.6 three-pot punches above its weight.
Anyway, too much willy waving, it’s unbecoming. I do love an underdog though, and the little 1.6 three-pot punches above its weight.
ecsrobin said:
Mutton said:
Carwow drag race against the Mini GP 3: https://youtu.be/7OpYRTupJJ0
The mini isn’t standard fitted with a Venturi intake rated as an additional 15-18bhp 17-20Ib-ft torque. Olivera said:
Anyway, the Mini GP monsters the Yaris when rolling.
But for traffic light GPs?Yaris owner just needs to blast to 30 or 40 from the lights and then nonchalantly stop racing to win every time, leaving the Mini/Civic/Golf owner frustrated the race didn't continue to 100mph+ through the High Street so they could finally overtake
bcr5784 said:
Rather more scientific than that Car Wow tests....
See https://zeperfs.com/en/duel8589-6750.htm Golf 7 rather than 8 (which has 10 more bhp) but the Golf has a useful advantage everywhere, and the latest version would presumably be a tad quicker again.
Not scientific at all. Real world testing in actual real world conditions is far more representative than manufacturers figures in ideal and unlikely conditions.See https://zeperfs.com/en/duel8589-6750.htm Golf 7 rather than 8 (which has 10 more bhp) but the Golf has a useful advantage everywhere, and the latest version would presumably be a tad quicker again.
Honeywell said:
Really very beautiful.
They look the dog's.Wonder how hard it'll be to keep them in good condition..? Somebody WAY back in the thread bemoaned his multispoke (gorgeous) wheels. Mentioned aggressive pads and lots of horrible brake dust...
I've a pearlescent white coming and I wanted a similar wheel painted in the same colour, (had an urquattro a million years ago in that combination - looked awesome) but thought I'd get some owner's feedback before jumping in.
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