1st sub £250k 296 GTB?
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ChocolateFrog said:
Plenty more to go too.
Struggling to see the long term future for hybrid supercars.
I don't know - I feel like in a few years I will not be able to drive my cars in the city centre anymore, so a hybrid might be a decent solution for me - not sure they will still let me drive the FF from my city centre apartment to my city centre office in half a decade and then I need another car for commuting and fun as the FF won't be allowed anymore. At which point it becomes pointless to own, as the whole point is to drive it more or less daily. Struggling to see the long term future for hybrid supercars.
ChocolateFrog said:
TP321 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That was clearly never going to be the case.
Struggling to see the long term future for hybrid supercars.
If you want to go faster then a full EV is the thing, if you want feedback and visceral sensations then a 458, sScuderia, 355 etc do that better as ultimate speed is irrelevant to the enjoyment.
There is going to be a generation of cars caught in the middle that will suffer long term I suspect. The 488 and F8 in particular
Edited by ContactName on Sunday 13th October 11:12
ContactName said:
ChocolateFrog said:
TP321 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That was clearly never going to be the case.
Struggling to see the long term future for hybrid supercars.
If you want to go faster then a full EV is the thing, if you want feedback and visceral sensations then a 458, sScuderia, 355 etc do that better as ultimate speed is irrelevant to the enjoyment.
There is going to be a generation of cars caught in the middle that will suffer long term I suspect. The 488 and F8 in particular
Edited by ContactName on Sunday 13th October 11:12
MDL111 said:
I would personally pay more for a 296 than a 458 - I think it is much prettier and neither one sounds good. I might pay more for a 355 than either of those though. But I would also pay more for an F50 than a LaFerrari - should have bought one of those when they were 400k, now it will remain a dream car forever.
Definitely I’ve actually just bought a 355 spider with a Capristo exhaust. The sound is unbelievable.
ContactName said:
MDL111 said:
I would personally pay more for a 296 than a 458 - I think it is much prettier and neither one sounds good. I might pay more for a 355 than either of those though. But I would also pay more for an F50 than a LaFerrari - should have bought one of those when they were 400k, now it will remain a dream car forever.
Definitely I’ve actually just bought a 355 spider with a Capristo exhaust. The sound is unbelievable.
The reason values are being impacted is interest rates and the economy - simple.
Labour are in, they're talking about higher taxes because they're communists and hate those who are well off, and interest rates are persistently high. Personally I think business confidence, and more importantly, confidence by those who have money to spend, is down.
I personally know that I'm worrying about the budget and CGT etc
Got an order in for a 296GTS but I'm not looking fwd to budget. Its basic communist stuff where they're taxing "employers" with higher NI (employers they forget, pay nothing, all costs are passed on either to employees as an on cost or customers in prices), and CGT which for any business owner is a kick in the teeth
Labour are in, they're talking about higher taxes because they're communists and hate those who are well off, and interest rates are persistently high. Personally I think business confidence, and more importantly, confidence by those who have money to spend, is down.
I personally know that I'm worrying about the budget and CGT etc
Got an order in for a 296GTS but I'm not looking fwd to budget. Its basic communist stuff where they're taxing "employers" with higher NI (employers they forget, pay nothing, all costs are passed on either to employees as an on cost or customers in prices), and CGT which for any business owner is a kick in the teeth
Yes, it’s a brave person who buys a new Ferrari at the moment. I think 296 GTB buyers are taking a bath, partly because they want to move to a GTS, partly because of the looming HV battery replacement cost down the track. That is going to spook both of them at resale time, especially as they get close to the battery warranty expiry.
FWIW, I’ve sold all my investments outside tax efficient wrappers because I would rather pay 20% tax now than a higher rate later on. I think the budget is going to be a real pain for most of us here.
FWIW, I’ve sold all my investments outside tax efficient wrappers because I would rather pay 20% tax now than a higher rate later on. I think the budget is going to be a real pain for most of us here.
Yes budget will be tougher, but it’s not going to stop me buying up back catalogue Ferrari’s, want to enjoy Ice cars while we can.. that clock is ticking fast. Labour getting in has been broadcast way before the actual election, coverage has already taken place, so at the moment 2 weeks away market is in limbo but once it is over enough people I know are going to buy a top ICE car after February. They want one last chance to experience.
maura said:
Yes budget will be tougher, but it’s not going to stop me buying up back catalogue Ferrari’s, want to enjoy Ice cars while we can.. that clock is ticking fast. Labour getting in has been broadcast way before the actual election, coverage has already taken place, so at the moment 2 weeks away market is in limbo but once it is over enough people I know are going to buy a top ICE car after February. They want one last chance to experience.
+1, fully expecting this to happenWCZ said:
maura said:
Yes budget will be tougher, but it’s not going to stop me buying up back catalogue Ferrari’s, want to enjoy Ice cars while we can.. that clock is ticking fast. Labour getting in has been broadcast way before the actual election, coverage has already taken place, so at the moment 2 weeks away market is in limbo but once it is over enough people I know are going to buy a top ICE car after February. They want one last chance to experience.
+1, fully expecting this to happen
Please read this if you are considering or have a 296GTB. I recently bought a new GTB (BIG discount obvs) and took it out for a wonderful 2 day debut drive in the New Forest. I was seriously impressed, not that it was being driven hard of course.
At 75mph on the M3 on the way home the rear passenger side tyre just blew up. Exploded. No warning. Had there been a car either side of me I'd definitely crashed or worse. I managed to get onto the hard shoulder, shaken up big time, and since then it has become clear that the tyre explosion has cracked the carbon rear diffuser literally in half, and that the more they (Meridien Modena) look at it, the more parts have been destroyed and are on back order. It's gonna take months, and it was, to be clear, entirely down to the car. I just got lucky it wasn't worse.
Now this is probably unique and perhaps I just got unlucky with the car, but if you have one of these or in particular you've had a similar experience please share. It's good for the community. First world problems and all that but this was genuinely scary so pass it on please.i've had punctures, but this was a proper explosion, really nasty.
For what it's worth I've had every type of McLaren and drove my 750s this weekend. Apart from one journey in a 675LT bought off collecting cars I have NEVER had a problem with any of their cars. Again, just personal experience.
At 75mph on the M3 on the way home the rear passenger side tyre just blew up. Exploded. No warning. Had there been a car either side of me I'd definitely crashed or worse. I managed to get onto the hard shoulder, shaken up big time, and since then it has become clear that the tyre explosion has cracked the carbon rear diffuser literally in half, and that the more they (Meridien Modena) look at it, the more parts have been destroyed and are on back order. It's gonna take months, and it was, to be clear, entirely down to the car. I just got lucky it wasn't worse.
Now this is probably unique and perhaps I just got unlucky with the car, but if you have one of these or in particular you've had a similar experience please share. It's good for the community. First world problems and all that but this was genuinely scary so pass it on please.i've had punctures, but this was a proper explosion, really nasty.
For what it's worth I've had every type of McLaren and drove my 750s this weekend. Apart from one journey in a 675LT bought off collecting cars I have NEVER had a problem with any of their cars. Again, just personal experience.
gunner said:
Please read this if you are considering or have a 296GTB. I recently bought a new GTB (BIG discount obvs) and took it out for a wonderful 2 day debut drive in the New Forest. I was seriously impressed, not that it was being driven hard of course.
At 75mph on the M3 on the way home the rear passenger side tyre just blew up. Exploded. No warning. Had there been a car either side of me I'd definitely crashed or worse. I managed to get onto the hard shoulder, shaken up big time, and since then it has become clear that the tyre explosion has cracked the carbon rear diffuser literally in half, and that the more they (Meridien Modena) look at it, the more parts have been destroyed and are on back order. It's gonna take months, and it was, to be clear, entirely down to the car. I just got lucky it wasn't worse.
Now this is probably unique and perhaps I just got unlucky with the car, but if you have one of these or in particular you've had a similar experience please share. It's good for the community. First world problems and all that but this was genuinely scary so pass it on please.i've had punctures, but this was a proper explosion, really nasty.
For what it's worth I've had every type of McLaren and drove my 750s this weekend. Apart from one journey in a 675LT bought off collecting cars I have NEVER had a problem with any of their cars. Again, just personal experience.
Not a nice experience, but surely just bad luck and likely would have happened in any car (road debris)? At 75mph on the M3 on the way home the rear passenger side tyre just blew up. Exploded. No warning. Had there been a car either side of me I'd definitely crashed or worse. I managed to get onto the hard shoulder, shaken up big time, and since then it has become clear that the tyre explosion has cracked the carbon rear diffuser literally in half, and that the more they (Meridien Modena) look at it, the more parts have been destroyed and are on back order. It's gonna take months, and it was, to be clear, entirely down to the car. I just got lucky it wasn't worse.
Now this is probably unique and perhaps I just got unlucky with the car, but if you have one of these or in particular you've had a similar experience please share. It's good for the community. First world problems and all that but this was genuinely scary so pass it on please.i've had punctures, but this was a proper explosion, really nasty.
For what it's worth I've had every type of McLaren and drove my 750s this weekend. Apart from one journey in a 675LT bought off collecting cars I have NEVER had a problem with any of their cars. Again, just personal experience.
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