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h0b0 said:
My Taycan Turbo S is in for some work so I have had a Macan 4S for a couple of weeks.
I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
Interesting. Did you happen to notice if the 4S had air or not?I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
Cobnapint said:
h0b0 said:
My Taycan Turbo S is in for some work so I have had a Macan 4S for a couple of weeks.
I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
Interesting. Did you happen to notice if the 4S had air or not?I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
Cobnapint said:
h0b0 said:
My Taycan Turbo S is in for some work so I have had a Macan 4S for a couple of weeks.
I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
Interesting. Did you happen to notice if the 4S had air or not?I’ve enjoyed the car. It rides well even on 22” wheels. It’s quick with 509hp. I’ve been jaded by my car as 509hp didn’t blow my mind. But, I did think it was more than enough to replace my Taycan and I wouldn’t think the car was slow. My wife has never been in my Taycan at full acceleration.
I took a look at the spec and it comes out at $100K. That was a shock. My Cayenne GTS was not much more. Yes, it’s a 2013 so a lot of time has passed. But, $100k Macan seems steep.
My wife thinks it isn’t special enough for the price.
My Taycan and Cayenne GTS are both on 21” wheels and air. The Taycan is massively smoother than the Cayenne. That could be designed in due to it being GTS vs Turbo S but unlikely.
The roads around here are terrible so the ride is very important. The reason the Taycan is at the dealer is because I hit a pot hole that was so large it punctured the battery protection plate when I grounded out. Fortunately, no damage to battery.
h0b0 said:
It does have air.
My Taycan and Cayenne GTS are both on 21” wheels and air. The Taycan is massively smoother than the Cayenne. That could be designed in due to it being GTS vs Turbo S but unlikely.
The roads around here are terrible so the ride is very important. The reason the Taycan is at the dealer is because I hit a pot hole that was so large it punctured the battery protection plate when I grounded out. Fortunately, no damage to battery.
It'd be interesting to hear from somebody who has driven drive air and non air back to back.My Taycan and Cayenne GTS are both on 21” wheels and air. The Taycan is massively smoother than the Cayenne. That could be designed in due to it being GTS vs Turbo S but unlikely.
The roads around here are terrible so the ride is very important. The reason the Taycan is at the dealer is because I hit a pot hole that was so large it punctured the battery protection plate when I grounded out. Fortunately, no damage to battery.
We currently have an iX which is on the optional (huge) 22" wheels and non air, which id initially personally discounted as Id have thought it would ride badly, but the dealer suggested we drive it and found in reality the bigger wheels gave a super smooth ride compared to any other car i've been in.
One of the articles on the intercooler I think, compared air on 20s vs non-air but with PASM perhaps on an 4 (not 4s)and it wasn’t clear cut which was a smoother ride. But the thought of crashing over bumps on long journeys made me select air as a precaution. Would be great to have a proper 4s comparison with air and non air.
bennno said:
It'd be interesting to hear from somebody who has driven drive air and non air back to back.
I drove all four variants, with and without air and on 20's, 21's, and 22's.The Turbo on air with 20's was too vague and soft, even in sport. Felt disconnected. Better on 21's.
The base on steel springs with 20's was a great compromise between ride and handling and was plenty comfortable enough, though the 20's look a little weedy on the car i think.
The 4 and 4S on steel springs, with and without PASM, were fine on 20's, and adequate on 21's.
The 4S on air and 22's was LOVELY. As good a ride as any of the others in comfort, and nicely dialled in with the suspension firmed up in Sport.
Ultimately i preferred the steering in the base rwd version (the front end is 110kg lighter than the 4wd variants) and wanted the best ride and handling compromise so decided on 21's or 22's with air.
In the end i went for the 22" spyders, but even if i'd gone for 21's i'd have spec'd air.
One of the articles on the intercooler I think, compared air on 20s vs non-air but with PASM perhaps on an 4 (not 4s)and it wasn’t clear cut which was a smoother ride. But the thought of crashing over bumps on long journeys made me select air as a precaution. Would be great to have a proper 4s comparison with air and non air.
kmpowell said:
VerySideways said:
I drove all four variants, with and without air and on 20's, 21's, and 22's.
So you're saying you back-to-back tested 24 cars... 
Base, 4, 4S, and Turbo.
20's, 21's, and 22's.
Air, steel, and steel with PASM.
I did a back-to-back test with two 4's, one with air suspension and one without (both on 22's), as I was in exactly the same dilemma. And (unpopular opinion alert 
) I thought the air was massively overrated. I drove a mix of tarmac, including about two miles of roadworks where the carriageway was being resurfaced. The only real difference was maybe a slightly smoother ride over speed bumps, but nothing I couldn't live without.
In the end I went for 22s with PASM. For context, my benchmark was an X3 M40i on 21-inch runflats, which rode like a skateboard, so anything was going to feel more forgiving. But honestly, for everyday driving, 22s with PASM, a combination most people would flinch at, is totally fine.
22" alloys make the car IMO.
I also added leather, a pan roof, rear airbags, rear wiper and power steering plus. I'm not sure if the latter affects the steering circle, but it's like a london taxi even without RWS!
) I thought the air was massively overrated. I drove a mix of tarmac, including about two miles of roadworks where the carriageway was being resurfaced. The only real difference was maybe a slightly smoother ride over speed bumps, but nothing I couldn't live without.In the end I went for 22s with PASM. For context, my benchmark was an X3 M40i on 21-inch runflats, which rode like a skateboard, so anything was going to feel more forgiving. But honestly, for everyday driving, 22s with PASM, a combination most people would flinch at, is totally fine.
22" alloys make the car IMO.
I also added leather, a pan roof, rear airbags, rear wiper and power steering plus. I'm not sure if the latter affects the steering circle, but it's like a london taxi even without RWS!
Edited by Sim75 on Tuesday 6th May 15:29
One of the articles on the intercooler I think, compared air on 20s vs non-air but with PASM perhaps on an 4 (not 4s)and it wasn’t clear cut which was a smoother ride. But the thought of crashing over bumps on long journeys made me select air as a precaution. Would be great to have a proper 4s comparison with air and non air.
Daft question - I am in a Macan EV as courtesy vehicle - my 991 needs a new gearbox - the car has no charging cable and I need to put some energy in it at work. We have charging columns.
Can I borrow a colleague's cable - are they all the same essentially? Otherwise I'll visit OPC tomorrow AM for a boost.
Can I borrow a colleague's cable - are they all the same essentially? Otherwise I'll visit OPC tomorrow AM for a boost.
stuckmojo said:
Daft question - I am in a Macan EV as courtesy vehicle - my 991 needs a new gearbox - the car has no charging cable and I need to put some energy in it at work. We have charging columns.
Can I borrow a colleague's cable - are they all the same essentially? Otherwise I'll visit OPC tomorrow AM for a boost.
No problem doing this.Can I borrow a colleague's cable - are they all the same essentially? Otherwise I'll visit OPC tomorrow AM for a boost.
ratty6464 said:
One of the articles on the intercooler I think, compared air on 20s vs non-air but with PASM perhaps on an 4 (not 4s)and it wasn’t clear cut which was a smoother ride. But the thought of crashing over bumps on long journeys made me select air as a precaution. Would be great to have a proper 4s comparison with air and non air.
As said, I did both and found the difference quite negligable. Both 4's and both on the same 22's.What kind of bumps woould you be crashing over on a long journey anyway? unless you're planning to do Cornwall via nothing but B roads
stuckmojo said:
Gnevans said:
No problem doing this.
Thanks - I plugged a colleague's BMW cable and it works fine, car charging fine. I felt like a right plank!h0b0 said:
Are you sure the cable is not in the frunk? I had a woman at an off license question why I was putting beer into the engine when I had a courtesy macan.
I checked. It's a demo, so they aren't used to people needing to charge it and the OPC chargers have their own cables. I will pick up a cable from them as my 991 needs a new PDK and It might be a while.
Nice daily, Google architecture is super smooth. It's a very wide car though. Must be Cayenne sized
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