Taycan starting to look like a bargain
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TheDeuce said:
MOBB said:
Look at that thing 
I know the EV movement is supposed to be some huge upset to peoples sensibilities...but that looks like a Porsche to me and I know it'll humiliate 99% of ICE Porsche's on the open roads.
I appreciate that some folk need an engine note/need to put a nozzle in to hole to feel like a real man but... but... these are supposed to be performance cars are they not? The electric car performs better in the real world.
Caddyshack said:
My limited experience of EV is that 0-60 is great but roll on speed often feels a push then runs out of puff. I would think it would stay with most ic Porsches but not humiliate just my thoughts and don t want to do another ph EV argument
From experience, in a straight line, my Taycan Turbo S would be slightly ahead of my 911 Turbo S to 60 but much above that and it does run out of puff. 100+ the 911 walks it. The beauty of the Taycan is how quickly, easily, effortlessly and silently it gets from A to B and how accessible instant accel. is at any given time.AB said:
Caddyshack said:
My limited experience of EV is that 0-60 is great but roll on speed often feels a push then runs out of puff. I would think it would stay with most ic Porsches but not humiliate just my thoughts and don t want to do another ph EV argument
From experience, in a straight line, my Taycan Turbo S would be slightly ahead of my 911 Turbo S to 60 but much above that and it does run out of puff. 100+ the 911 walks it. The beauty of the Taycan is how quickly, easily, effortlessly and silently it gets from A to B and how accessible instant accel. is at any given time.For me the EV benefit has little to do with 0-60 (who does a full bore standing start...) and everything to do with the way they punch out of corners - that's when the EV outshines IC. Especially for a Porsche where half the joy is how late you can brake into a tighter corner, then in the EV, the torque punch and traction on the way back out is mesmerising. The IC car simply can't deliver the same shunt or modulate it's torque delivery with the same fidelity.
The higher speed stuff? The IC car plainly has that - although my original statement was 'in the real world/public roads', where the car that is fastest to 60 actually is king. Unless a person's idea of driving nirvana is some twinkly blue lights followed by a court appearance...
My view is that fun driving on public roads pretty much comes down a well sighted b-road blast, and performance EV's are just great at that. They're like rocket powered limpets.
andy43 said:
PinkHouse said:
Despite this I'm still seriously tempted by a cheap early Taycan at the right price and was looking into the battery repair process to replace failed cells rather than the whole pack and it looks very complicated to say the least and requires very specialist skills tools and a very rigid procedure
I cannot imagine battery repairs on something this high tech ever being anything other than a strictly controlled factory procedure. 2013 Nissan Leaf, yeah have at it with a soldering iron, but Taycan sort of stuff is far too complex and dangerous for it ever to become something the average garage insurer would ever condone.
Having been at a couple of Porsche dealers in the last couple of weeks and seen the storage yards rows of unwashed Taycans I had a look online at a few for sale - my guess is some of them hang around as used cars partly because of a basic spec - a lot I looked at don't seem to have had the same individual speccing that Panameras and Cayennes had, maybe because Taycans were company car purchases and the Pana/Cayennes were generally privately owned.
AB said:
Caddyshack said:
My limited experience of EV is that 0-60 is great but roll on speed often feels a push then runs out of puff. I would think it would stay with most ic Porsches but not humiliate just my thoughts and don t want to do another ph EV argument
From experience, in a straight line, my Taycan Turbo S would be slightly ahead of my 911 Turbo S to 60 but much above that and it does run out of puff. 100+ the 911 walks it. The beauty of the Taycan is how quickly, easily, effortlessly and silently it gets from A to B and how accessible instant accel. is at any given time.In a turbo S you would need to be in the right gear to punch out of the corner.
Still a member of PCA while I am currently Porsche-less. Spotted this the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQ5S0dJy4c
Walking through the repair of a Taycan battery pack with cell replacement. Obvious its main dealer prices, but I am positive that in the coming years, independents will step in and provide pack repair and servicing as well as keeping your Taycan on the road for many more to come.
I do find it odd that some manufacturers who have produced EV's do make their packs repairable and this is completely skipped by those who dismiss them. All of this 'its going to cost $40k to replace the battery because it cant be repaired' isnt quite true. I have a Mach-e at the moment and it also has a repairable battery pack. Though I would note that there are a few that just arent - like many Tesla's (though this isnt the case for all of them).
Here there are plenty of early or higher mileage Taycans going for fantastic prices. Seriously tempted. Just in that middle ground at the moment though - too new to go outside of the main dealer network yet but not old enough for the indies to pick them up. Its a matter of time. Now, off to Autotrader to take a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQ5S0dJy4c
Walking through the repair of a Taycan battery pack with cell replacement. Obvious its main dealer prices, but I am positive that in the coming years, independents will step in and provide pack repair and servicing as well as keeping your Taycan on the road for many more to come.
I do find it odd that some manufacturers who have produced EV's do make their packs repairable and this is completely skipped by those who dismiss them. All of this 'its going to cost $40k to replace the battery because it cant be repaired' isnt quite true. I have a Mach-e at the moment and it also has a repairable battery pack. Though I would note that there are a few that just arent - like many Tesla's (though this isnt the case for all of them).
Here there are plenty of early or higher mileage Taycans going for fantastic prices. Seriously tempted. Just in that middle ground at the moment though - too new to go outside of the main dealer network yet but not old enough for the indies to pick them up. Its a matter of time. Now, off to Autotrader to take a look.
off_again said:
Still a member of PCA while I am currently Porsche-less. Spotted this the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQ5S0dJy4c
Walking through the repair of a Taycan battery pack with cell replacement. Obvious its main dealer prices, but I am positive that in the coming years, independents will step in and provide pack repair and servicing as well as keeping your Taycan on the road for many more to come.
I do find it odd that some manufacturers who have produced EV's do make their packs repairable and this is completely skipped by those who dismiss them. All of this 'its going to cost $40k to replace the battery because it cant be repaired' isnt quite true. I have a Mach-e at the moment and it also has a repairable battery pack. Though I would note that there are a few that just arent - like many Tesla's (though this isnt the case for all of them).
Here there are plenty of early or higher mileage Taycans going for fantastic prices. Seriously tempted. Just in that middle ground at the moment though - too new to go outside of the main dealer network yet but not old enough for the indies to pick them up. Its a matter of time. Now, off to Autotrader to take a look.
There are already independents who seem to be able to service and repair hybrid/EV Porsches. I came across one called Precision Porsche. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQ5S0dJy4c
Walking through the repair of a Taycan battery pack with cell replacement. Obvious its main dealer prices, but I am positive that in the coming years, independents will step in and provide pack repair and servicing as well as keeping your Taycan on the road for many more to come.
I do find it odd that some manufacturers who have produced EV's do make their packs repairable and this is completely skipped by those who dismiss them. All of this 'its going to cost $40k to replace the battery because it cant be repaired' isnt quite true. I have a Mach-e at the moment and it also has a repairable battery pack. Though I would note that there are a few that just arent - like many Tesla's (though this isnt the case for all of them).
Here there are plenty of early or higher mileage Taycans going for fantastic prices. Seriously tempted. Just in that middle ground at the moment though - too new to go outside of the main dealer network yet but not old enough for the indies to pick them up. Its a matter of time. Now, off to Autotrader to take a look.
And in general, there seems to be quite a few companies in the UK who offer battery module replacement services for EVs of any brand.
Taycan came out in 2019
So even those will have a couple of years battery warranty left right?
Factory Warranty Coverage
Battery warranty:
Valid for 8?years or 100,000?miles, whichever comes first
Guarantees the battery capacity won t fall below 70?% of its original level during that period
There is no need for Taycan to go to an indy for battery work. I doubt many would get into that until there is a customer base!
Same for most EVs really, mine has 8 year battery warranty..
So even those will have a couple of years battery warranty left right?
Factory Warranty Coverage
Battery warranty:
Valid for 8?years or 100,000?miles, whichever comes first
Guarantees the battery capacity won t fall below 70?% of its original level during that period
There is no need for Taycan to go to an indy for battery work. I doubt many would get into that until there is a customer base!
Same for most EVs really, mine has 8 year battery warranty..
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k. Despite being the cheapest available by £3-4k and a one owner car with decent spec it's still been up for over a month. £35k gets you a 60k miles 4S with the bigger 93kWh battery, but those cars still hanging around for months on AT.
As a potential buyer I'm hoping prices do come down a bit. Looked at them in April but couldn't justify the £15k-20k premium over the car we eventually bought, especially after checking WBAC/motorway valuations and finding the difference to be closer to half that.
As a potential buyer I'm hoping prices do come down a bit. Looked at them in April but couldn't justify the £15k-20k premium over the car we eventually bought, especially after checking WBAC/motorway valuations and finding the difference to be closer to half that.
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!Rusty Old-Banger said:
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!TX.
Rusty Old-Banger said:
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!Even at £21.5k I wouldn t touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.
AB said:
Caddyshack said:
My limited experience of EV is that 0-60 is great but roll on speed often feels a push then runs out of puff. I would think it would stay with most ic Porsches but not humiliate just my thoughts and don t want to do another ph EV argument
From experience, in a straight line, my Taycan Turbo S would be slightly ahead of my 911 Turbo S to 60 but much above that and it does run out of puff. 100+ the 911 walks it. The beauty of the Taycan is how quickly, easily, effortlessly and silently it gets from A to B and how accessible instant accel. is at any given time.Johnson897210 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!Even at £21.5k I wouldnt touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.
zalrak said:
This is a 2020 93.4kWh 4S with 26,000 miles and has been at the dealers since February, dropped £3k and still not moved.
£40k is still a lot of money for a 5 year old car. Whether it's good value or not it's a very limited market. There's an order of magnitude more people willing to spend £1200-1500 a month on a new one than there is an old one with associated risk.
Johnson897210 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!Even at £21.5k I wouldn t touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.
A decent phone can be deep discharged and fast charged 500 times with minimal degredation.
That's 150000 miles in a Taycan.
The fact the car has a slightly more complicated BMS and most will be trickle charged no where near their limits means you can extend that.
Even though I don't care because it's on SalSac it still gets plugged into a 7kw charger for 99% of it's charging.
ChocolateFrog said:
Johnson897210 said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.
That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!Even at £21.5k I wouldn t touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.
A decent phone can be deep discharged and fast charged 500 times with minimal degredation.
That's 150000 miles in a Taycan.
The fact the car has a slightly more complicated BMS and most will be trickle charged no where near their limits means you can extend that.
Even though I don't care because it's on SalSac it still gets plugged into a 7kw charger for 99% of it's charging.
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