Taycan starting to look like a bargain

[anonymous-user]

Johnson897210 said:

Like 2nd hand phones, as you know the battery s going to be knackered.

Classic.

[SDK]

Johnson897210 said:

Rusty Old-Banger said:

ZesPak said:

SWoll said:

As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.

That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!

It is. I don't understand how EVs can shed so much money, so quickly. Even non-Pork stuff. Are they THAT flaky??

Like 2nd hand phones, as you know the battery s going to be knackered. Anyone on a salsac lease won t give a fk about it as it s eventually going back.

Even at £21.5k I wouldn t touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.

"Like Phones" -> Do phones have 8 year battery warranties

[Esquire]

RotorRambler said:

Taycan came out in 2019
So even those will have a couple of years battery warranty left right?

Factory Warranty Coverage
Battery warranty:
Valid for 8?years or 100,000?miles, whichever comes first
Guarantees the battery capacity won t fall below 70?% of its original level during that period

There is no need for Taycan to go to an indy for battery work. I doubt many would get into that until there is a customer base!

Same for most EVs really, mine has 8 year battery warranty..

Starting to look at Taycans as a long term P owner but always of ICE cars so currently very limited knowledge.

What's the likely cost of battery replacement without warranty ?

[AyBee]

Johnson897210 said:

Rusty Old-Banger said:

ZesPak said:

SWoll said:

As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.

That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!

It is. I don't understand how EVs can shed so much money, so quickly. Even non-Pork stuff. Are they THAT flaky??

Like 2nd hand phones, as you know the battery s going to be knackered. Anyone on a salsac lease won t give a fk about it as it s eventually going back.

Even at £21.5k I wouldn t touch it, may as well burn your cash. These should be £5-6k for parts.

At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!

[Esquire]

AyBee said:

At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!

That's a big chunk -

[AyBee]

Esquire said:

AyBee said:

At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!

That's a big chunk -

Porsche replacing under warranty and what's required to get your car back up and running are completely different. If a part of your engine failed, would you be replacing the whole engine or the part that broke? Replacement used packs can be had for <£10k and there are now companies who will take the pack apart and replace the bit that actually needs replacing for a lot less than a brand new swap at a Porsche dealer.

[Frimley111R]

And how many ICE vehicles have engines replaced under warranty and they are massively more complex?

[Johnson897210]

Frimley111R said:

And how many ICE vehicles have engines replaced under warranty and they are massively more complex?

I'd wager not too many £55k engine replacements...

[Esquire]

AyBee said:

Porsche replacing under warranty and what's required to get your car back up and running are completely different. If a part of your engine failed, would you be replacing the whole engine or the part that broke? Replacement used packs can be had for <£10k and there are now companies who will take the pack apart and replace the bit that actually needs replacing for a lot less than a brand new swap at a Porsche dealer.

Thanks. So rough purchase of packs plus labour and odds and ends should be more like 20/30k ?

Edited by Esquire on Wednesday 18th June 11:36

[ZesPak]

Johnson897210 said:

I'd wager not too many £55k engine replacements...

Never asked Porsche for a quote?

You'd have to pay through the nose to get it warrantied any higher than 4 years/50k miles.
For a lot of 6yo Porsches, an engine replacement could be a write off.

This guy got quoted 36k USD for a Carrera 4S engine replacement. 6 years old and 37k miles.
Agreed, not 55k GBP, but hardly a tuppence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/16tpb9w/...

[Johnson897210]

ZesPak said:

Johnson897210 said:

I'd wager not too many £55k engine replacements...

Never asked Porsche for a quote?

You'd have to pay through the nose to get it warrantied any higher than 4 years/50k miles.
For a lot of 6yo Porsches, an engine replacement could be a write off.

This guy got quoted 36k USD for a Carrera 4S engine replacement. 6 years old and 37k miles.
Agreed, not 55k GBP, but hardly a tuppence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/16tpb9w/...

Porsche warranty extension goes to 125k miles or 15 years. Is quite reasonable per year to extend also.

Oddly enough they only warranty the Taycan battery up to 8 years and it expressly excluded from the extended warranty product. I can't imagine why...

[ZesPak]

Johnson897210 said:

Porsche warranty extension goes to 125k miles or 15 years. Is quite reasonable per year to extend also.

"quite reasonable", it would easily be over 15k for a C4S, besides adding basically mandatory services on a car that can't be doing 10k miles/year.
But, of course, more reasonable than a 35k engine replacement or a 50k battery replacement.

The Taycan is 6 years old now, soon unwarrantied models owners will probably report back on what the real cost is.

[AyBee]

Johnson897210 said:

Frimley111R said:

And how many ICE vehicles have engines replaced under warranty and they are massively more complex?

I'd wager not too many £55k engine replacements...

How much was a 991.1 GT3 engine replacement?

[ashenfie]

ZesPak said:

Johnson897210 said:

I'd wager not too many £55k engine replacements...

Never asked Porsche for a quote?

You'd have to pay through the nose to get it warrantied any higher than 4 years/50k miles.
For a lot of 6yo Porsches, an engine replacement could be a write off.

This guy got quoted 36k USD for a Carrera 4S engine replacement. 6 years old and 37k miles.
Agreed, not 55k GBP, but hardly a tuppence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Porsche/comments/16tpb9w/...

A 3.8 engine can be had for £10k while the dealer would most likely charge 30k

The issue here is that there are no good gen1 cars and getting another used or fixed battery is no guarantee of success.

[TheDeuce]

C'mon...

Look how many 'hopeless' taycans have been sold, and all the other EV's with worrisome batteries...

The moment these cars are out of manufacture battery warranty the indie service scene will explode. It's all well and good quoting Porsche figures for a replacement, but that's always been daft. When the indies have a marketplace to work with, they'll be there.

Batteries are not witchcraft, they're not impossible for the same people that can currently deal with IC, to deal with. New dangers, new methods, new training.

Only a complete idiot would expect to see that industry in place before at least several hundred thousand first gen EV's were old enough to justify it.

[Over over under steer]

It s amazing to see how many PH commenters have succumbed to the fear mongering about batteries. It s almost like evangelical preaching against EVs, a bit odd really.

As a through and through petrolhead my wife s car is a BEV (2021 i3S FWIW) and I wouldn t consider moving her back to ICE or Hybrid. The drivetrain is perfectly suited to her.

We will almost certainly be buying a Taycan estate of some variety used for her next car.

[Puzzles]

I like the look of the Taycans but they don’t have a berry good reputation for reliability, which is inexcusable imo. I assumed that was why they were falling hard?

That said so are Teslas.

[SDK]

Esquire said:

AyBee said:

At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!

That's a big chunk -

A refurbished Taycan battery costs between £6k to £8k, then you just pay for fitting it.

Could be cheaper : Here is one for £5.1k : https://ebay.us/m/gGBSqe

Edited by SDK on Thursday 19th June 06:12

[Zigster]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

ZesPak said:

SWoll said:

As an example of how tough they are to sell used the cheapest on AT at the minute is a 2021 4S with the 79kWh battery and 82k miles covered for £31.5k.

That is a ridiculous amount of car for the money tbh!

It is. I don't understand how EVs can shed so much money, so quickly. Even non-Pork stuff. Are they THAT flaky??

My take on it is that it is because the majority of new EVs are company cars and benefit from the virtually nil (to date) BIK. In effect, that £100k list price is more like an effective £60k to the “purchaser” so what looks like massive depreciation against list price is actually a lot more reasonable against the BIK cost.

[ZesPak]

Zigster said:

My take on it is that it is because the majority of new EVs are company cars and benefit from the virtually nil (to date) BIK. In effect, that £100k list price is more like an effective £60k to the purchaser so what looks like massive depreciation against list price is actually a lot more reasonable against the BIK cost.

Agreed. My Model S was my most expensive car by far, but in TCO far cheaper than the 60k Jaguar XF that came before it.
The tax write off on it made it very affordable.