Taycan starting to look like a bargain
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SDK said:
Esquire said:
AyBee said:
At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!
That's a big chunk -Could be cheaper : Here is one for £5.1k : https://ebay.us/m/gGBSqe
Edited by SDK on Thursday 19th June 06:12
So their batteries are warrantied until late 2027..
Maybe aftermarket will gear up after that, but no potential customers for a few more years!
RotorRambler said:
The first Taycans were registered late 2019 in Uk.
So their batteries are warrantied until late 2027..
Maybe aftermarket will gear up after that, but no potential customers for a few more years!
There's a huge opportunity there as well wrt refurbishing batteries. A battery like that, in materials, is worth maybe a couple of thousand pounds, but a 100kWh battery, refurbished for for example home use, can easily be worth ten times that.So their batteries are warrantied until late 2027..
Maybe aftermarket will gear up after that, but no potential customers for a few more years!
The Porsche stated replacements of +50k seem to not take any residual battery value into account. I find it impossible to believe they just bin the battery somewhere, instead of fixing the possibly minor issue with it and reselling/using it. Maybe they keep them now for investigation instead of attempting a quick fix on them?
Over over under steer said:
It s amazing to see how many PH commenters have succumbed to the fear mongering about batteries. It s almost like evangelical preaching against EVs, a bit odd really.
As a through and through petrolhead my wife s car is a BEV (2021 i3S FWIW) and I wouldn t consider moving her back to ICE or Hybrid. The drivetrain is perfectly suited to her.
We will almost certainly be buying a Taycan estate of some variety used for her next car.
EV advocate here, and I'd be very wary of buying one outside of manufacturers battery warranty unless very cheap (which they will be by 8 years old)As a through and through petrolhead my wife s car is a BEV (2021 i3S FWIW) and I wouldn t consider moving her back to ICE or Hybrid. The drivetrain is perfectly suited to her.
We will almost certainly be buying a Taycan estate of some variety used for her next car.
The cheapest available current Taycan estate is up for £45k. I'm a big fan but that looks very expensive to me in the current marketplace. Still hoping for a price reset at some point as fancy one myself in a couple of years.
RotorRambler said:
The first Taycans were registered late 2019 in Uk.
So their batteries are warrantied until late 2027..
Maybe aftermarket will gear up after that, but no potential customers for a few more years!
It's also mileage limited to 100k miles so a car like the 2021 Taycan posted last page for £32k is only 17k miles away after 4 years.So their batteries are warrantied until late 2027..
Maybe aftermarket will gear up after that, but no potential customers for a few more years!
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 19th June 10:04
SWoll said:
It's also mileage limited to 100k miles so a car like the 2021 Taycan posted last page for £32k is only 17k miles away after 4 years.
I had to double check that as I couldn't believe it. 8 years and 100k miles?
That has to be the worst battery warranty I've seen so far.
I actually test drove a Taycan two times in the past 6 years with the intention of buying. I never registered that number otherwise I wouldn't have bothered... actually shocked here.
SDK said:
Esquire said:
AyBee said:
At £21.5k you've got a huge chunk of change to replace the battery pack should it pack up. These were £100k cars when new not that many years ago!
That's a big chunk -Could be cheaper : Here is one for £5.1k : https://ebay.us/m/gGBSqe
Edited by SDK on Thursday 19th June 06:12
Then there are the motor, inverter… recalls. Definitely gen1 cars are worth avoiding. DIY fixing will void the warranty so you’re better off looking elsewhere.
While Porsche have been very good with owners and finding solutions to their problems, the clock is ticking unit they can just wipe their hands of the gen1 cars
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
It's also mileage limited to 100k miles so a car like the 2021 Taycan posted last page for £32k is only 17k miles away after 4 years.
I had to double check that as I couldn't believe it. 8 years and 100k miles?
That has to be the worst battery warranty I've seen so far.
I actually test drove a Taycan two times in the past 6 years with the intention of buying. I never registered that number otherwise I wouldn't have bothered... actually shocked here.
The point being you aren't guaranteed an 8 year warranty if doing higher mileages as was suggested by the poster earlier.
Edited by SWoll on Thursday 19th June 11:08
SWoll said:
Identical to every other manufacturer but Tesla who do 8 years/120k miles. Actually Kia is the worst at 7 years or 100k miles.
The point being you aren't guaranteed an 8 year warranty if doing higher mileages as was suggested by the poster earlier.
... you're not wrong. Do I remember these warranties being much higher 5 years ago?The point being you aren't guaranteed an 8 year warranty if doing higher mileages as was suggested by the poster earlier.
I know my Tesla warranty runs for 8 years and unlimited miles. It's one of the reasons I bought it, doing 30k miles/year.
Seems like even they watered the S warranty down to 150k.
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
Identical to every other manufacturer but Tesla who do 8 years/120k miles. Actually Kia is the worst at 7 years or 100k miles.
The point being you aren't guaranteed an 8 year warranty if doing higher mileages as was suggested by the poster earlier.
... you're not wrong. Do I remember these warranties being much higher 5 years ago?The point being you aren't guaranteed an 8 year warranty if doing higher mileages as was suggested by the poster earlier.
I know my Tesla warranty runs for 8 years and unlimited miles. It's one of the reasons I bought it, doing 30k miles/year.
Seems like even they watered the S warranty down to 150k.
They do speed up battery degradation, but no real reason to believe they kill batteries just like that.
I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
ZesPak said:
They do speed up battery degradation, but no real reason to believe they kill batteries just like that.
I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
Thanks I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
Esquire said:
ZesPak said:
They do speed up battery degradation, but no real reason to believe they kill batteries just like that.
I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
Thanks I think the two main reasons (production) known are:
Internal short, production fault by LG. Fixed in recalls.
The battery sealant on some cars has known to degrade, letting moisture in and thus shorting the battery. Also recalls.
I'm not saying fast charging is good for the battery, but I'd be surprised if it causes the battery to kill itself.
EV batteries, assuming no defects, are very long lived.
Panamax said:
I was never fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors when everyone was being encouraged to switch to diesel.
I've not yet been fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors around everyone being encouraged to buy electric.
No, I don't even want a "cheap" used Taycan. I can buy a brand new car of some kind for that money, with a nice warranty and no range anxiety.
I love Panamera diesels - at around 8 years old 80% of the price new has depreciated away.I've not yet been fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors around everyone being encouraged to buy electric.
No, I don't even want a "cheap" used Taycan. I can buy a brand new car of some kind for that money, with a nice warranty and no range anxiety.
Picked up a 4S diesel recently which has served well so far covering 10500 miles over the last 4 weeks with average mpg of >50 at various pace necessities.
With options it was >£120k, just paid £27k - £2500 deposit; £517/m - cheaper than walking!!
GordonGekko said:
Panamax said:
I was never fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors when everyone was being encouraged to switch to diesel.
I've not yet been fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors around everyone being encouraged to buy electric.
No, I don't even want a "cheap" used Taycan. I can buy a brand new car of some kind for that money, with a nice warranty and no range anxiety.
I love Panamera diesels - at around 8 years old 80% of the price new has depreciated away.I've not yet been fooled by the smoke 'n' mirrors around everyone being encouraged to buy electric.
No, I don't even want a "cheap" used Taycan. I can buy a brand new car of some kind for that money, with a nice warranty and no range anxiety.
Picked up a 4S diesel recently which has served well so far covering 10500 miles over the last 4 weeks with average mpg of >50 at various pace necessities.
With options it was >£120k, just paid £27k - £2500 deposit; £517/m - cheaper than walking!!
For the same overall cost you could have a far more capable taycan, once the fuel bill is factored in. Same price tag, way more performance. Also causes less pollution, which I appreciate isn't a deal breaker, but nice to know.
Hi Deuce,
For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don’t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don’t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
GordonGekko said:
Hi Deuce,
For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
Yes I agree that all high value cars tumble in value, it's been that way since forever. The power train hardly matters.For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
The damage caused by diesel, even euro 6 complaint, is significant in terms of local air quality. That's a fact but not one I wish to push, I have never personally cared - I e generally just run the most exciting cars I can, which is why I'm on PH!
Given your mileage, you could be in a taycan estate for the same money - what is your usage scenario that makes it totally unsuitable?
GordonGekko said:
Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration
Hey, I've got two garages to pick from. One contains a Panamera diesel that's running, the other a Taycan. If it's no consideration for you, I'll stay in the one with the Taycan, you can stay in the other one for a while.TheDeuce said:
GordonGekko said:
Hi Deuce,
For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
Yes I agree that all high value cars tumble in value, it's been that way since forever. The power train hardly matters.For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
The damage caused by diesel, even euro 6 complaint, is significant in terms of local air quality. That's a fact but not one I wish to push, I have never personally cared - I e generally just run the most exciting cars I can, which is why I'm on PH!
Given your mileage, you could be in a taycan estate for the same money - what is your usage scenario that makes it totally unsuitable?
A sport turismo (estate!) with the 4.0tdi would be perfect
ZesPak said:
I had to double check that as I couldn't believe it. 8 years and 100k miles?
That has to be the worst battery warranty I've seen so far.
I actually test drove a Taycan two times in the past 6 years with the intention of buying. I never registered that number otherwise I wouldn't have bothered... actually shocked here.
GordonGekko said:
TheDeuce said:
GordonGekko said:
Hi Deuce,
For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
Yes I agree that all high value cars tumble in value, it's been that way since forever. The power train hardly matters.For the somewhat unusual use case I have no electric car can satisfy at the moment.
Diesels are fantastic! Environmental factors are a nonsense which don t receive consideration- with being a euro 6 and capable of 60mpg, there is no significant effect in my opinion.
The point being made was that the car is diesel; it is superb - and has lost 80% of its new price
The damage caused by diesel, even euro 6 complaint, is significant in terms of local air quality. That's a fact but not one I wish to push, I have never personally cared - I e generally just run the most exciting cars I can, which is why I'm on PH!
Given your mileage, you could be in a taycan estate for the same money - what is your usage scenario that makes it totally unsuitable?
A sport turismo (estate!) with the 4.0tdi would be perfect
If you don't do at least that, you're being reckless.
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