Macan E residuals
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My Taycan ST GTS is £1550 per month/plus VAT over 36 months/36,000 miles fully maintained.
Deposit was 6 months and a portion of the VAT can be reclaimed, it looks like a bargain now!
Glad I cancelled the Macan EV for the Mrs 12 months ago, I had a suspicion they would break the bank.
Deposit was 6 months and a portion of the VAT can be reclaimed, it looks like a bargain now!
Glad I cancelled the Macan EV for the Mrs 12 months ago, I had a suspicion they would break the bank.
Edited by HoHoHo on Friday 29th November 22:48
[quote=Tindersticks]Watch Porsche complain that they're not selling enough EV's in 12 months. Those prices are pure comedy.
Will keep my 2023 Macan GTS for a long time by the looks things
Monthly under £1k per month with similar deposit and think ICE deprecation will be far more friendly on the pocket.
Will keep my 2023 Macan GTS for a long time by the looks things
Monthly under £1k per month with similar deposit and think ICE deprecation will be far more friendly on the pocket.
Augustash said:
Tindersticks said:
Watch Porsche complain that they're not selling enough EV's in 12 months. Those prices are pure comedy.
Will keep my 2023 Macan GTS for a long time by the looks things
Monthly under £1k per month with similar deposit and think ICE deprecation will be far more friendly on the pocket.
Well they are already complaining, hence yesterdays news confirming the rumours that the next Taycan, Boxster, Cayman and others will have the options for an ICE engine. Will keep my 2023 Macan GTS for a long time by the looks things
Monthly under £1k per month with similar deposit and think ICE deprecation will be far more friendly on the pocket.
JJ77 said:
lordturpin said:
Keeps the old ICE prices high if this is the cost...
Yep, the back catalogue Turbo, preferably with Performance Pack is where I’m going for £40k.. Macan EV total nuts pricing..I may be biased, as the Macan EV is on my list of possibles for my next daily. But from what I've seen in dealers, they really ate s
t on the GMFVs of Taycans. I think half the reason for the low GMFV on the Macan's is the simple fact the used market isn't there yet, but also because they lost so much on the Taycans, they are adding a buffer into it to protect themselves.
The losses are also exaggerated by circumstance IMO, the economic shockwave of Covid is only beginning to show signs of settling.
But I do also wonder about just buying a 18-24 month old i4 at £35k and a 530d. Works out much cheaper and a more practical setup.
Now I've tried an EV on lease, I'll always have one, my skepticism has been won over. But... more as a second daily for town driving and drives upto 100-150 miles away.
t on the GMFVs of Taycans. I think half the reason for the low GMFV on the Macan's is the simple fact the used market isn't there yet, but also because they lost so much on the Taycans, they are adding a buffer into it to protect themselves.The losses are also exaggerated by circumstance IMO, the economic shockwave of Covid is only beginning to show signs of settling.
But I do also wonder about just buying a 18-24 month old i4 at £35k and a 530d. Works out much cheaper and a more practical setup.
Now I've tried an EV on lease, I'll always have one, my skepticism has been won over. But... more as a second daily for town driving and drives upto 100-150 miles away.
Andaru said:
I may be biased, as the Macan EV is on my list of possibles for my next daily. But from what I've seen in dealers, they really ate st on the GMFVs of Taycans. I think half the reason for the low GMFV on the Macan's is the simple fact the used market isn't there yet, but also because they lost so much on the Taycans, they are adding a buffer into it to protect themselves.
The losses are also exaggerated by circumstance IMO, the economic shockwave of Covid is only beginning to show signs of settling.
But I do also wonder about just buying a 18-24 month old i4 at £35k and a 530d. Works out much cheaper and a more practical setup.
Now I've tried an EV on lease, I'll always have one, my skepticism has been won over. But... more as a second daily for town driving and drives upto 100-150 miles away.
Monthly payments look hideous and residuals appalling. We just do about 4K miles a year doing university pick ups and are private owners. Can’t see how swapping our GTS for EV works on any levels t on the GMFVs of Taycans. I think half the reason for the low GMFV on the Macan's is the simple fact the used market isn't there yet, but also because they lost so much on the Taycans, they are adding a buffer into it to protect themselves.The losses are also exaggerated by circumstance IMO, the economic shockwave of Covid is only beginning to show signs of settling.
But I do also wonder about just buying a 18-24 month old i4 at £35k and a 530d. Works out much cheaper and a more practical setup.
Now I've tried an EV on lease, I'll always have one, my skepticism has been won over. But... more as a second daily for town driving and drives upto 100-150 miles away.
Not a very positive message for the move to EV’s and adds more uncertainty into the market place of future models
https://www.themirror.com/lifestyle/cars/porsche-u...
Augustash said:
Not a very positive message for the move to EV’s and adds more uncertainty into the market place of future models
https://www.themirror.com/lifestyle/cars/porsche-u...
It's a little context-lite.https://www.themirror.com/lifestyle/cars/porsche-u...
Not every market has a ZEV mandate. AIUI. So ditching ICE completely was never a requirement.
I do wonder if manufacturers are aware of a political softening of will in those markets where mandates are currently clear. But there's no definitive public view of that, despite the press (bizarrely IMO) being so negative.
We'll see what happens. But it's no surprise the Porsche CEO isn't admitting to his company having f
ked up wrt their product delivery.Personally not fussed either way. I didn't buy mine because of ZEV mandates, I bought it because it's an exceptional car irrespective of what is powering it.
The biggest problems EV face, certainly here in the UK, is charging infrastructure.
Compare to Norway, which is now something like 85% of all cars sold being EV. Why are they selling so many?
Well, the big one is that 97% of Norwegian homes can accommodate an EV charger.
In the UK that number is just 52% and only around 18% of homes in our cities, where EVs are more important, can accommodate an EV charger.
When so many people can't charge their car at home, they won't sell them.
Also Norway subsidies the install of chargers, at least 50%, and you can charge out in the wild from around 2-3 Krona per KW, which is 14-21p, compared to 80p in the UK.
So government, don't be shocked people don't buy them.
The reduced rate, at night, is as low as 0.58 Krona, which is 4p per kw.
The government needs to put the infrastructure in place and then people will adopt the tech, just penalising people who can't use the tech will just turn people off, which is what we are seeing.
And they need to be cheaper too. Used prices show you what people truly value a car at, and an EV tech is like phone tech used. In theory not much changes, but the manufacturer shouting at just how much better the new one is, or is going to be, kills the value of the old one, which must be so much worse if the new one is so much better.
Imagine if Ed Milliband had given the £11.8bn he is giving overseas to help other countries tackle the "climate crisis" to the 12 million UK homes with no off street charging facility.
Chargers on the streets, in the kerb, street lamps, charging posts every 10m, in the car parks of flats etc.
And a flat rate of around 20p/kw for everyone on a normal 3 phase charge speed. If I can pay 24p/kw as a small business I'm sure the government can secure that price.
Get the infrastructure right and people will buy it, if you can't, well, that is your answer to the tech.
I also think that if a hybrid can cover 100km in pure EV mode, it should be classed the same as an EV. Most people will cover 80-90% of all their journeys on pure EV, they will want to save money.
The UK have royally screwed up in this regard.
Compare to Norway, which is now something like 85% of all cars sold being EV. Why are they selling so many?
Well, the big one is that 97% of Norwegian homes can accommodate an EV charger.
In the UK that number is just 52% and only around 18% of homes in our cities, where EVs are more important, can accommodate an EV charger.
When so many people can't charge their car at home, they won't sell them.
Also Norway subsidies the install of chargers, at least 50%, and you can charge out in the wild from around 2-3 Krona per KW, which is 14-21p, compared to 80p in the UK.
So government, don't be shocked people don't buy them.
The reduced rate, at night, is as low as 0.58 Krona, which is 4p per kw.
The government needs to put the infrastructure in place and then people will adopt the tech, just penalising people who can't use the tech will just turn people off, which is what we are seeing.
And they need to be cheaper too. Used prices show you what people truly value a car at, and an EV tech is like phone tech used. In theory not much changes, but the manufacturer shouting at just how much better the new one is, or is going to be, kills the value of the old one, which must be so much worse if the new one is so much better.
Imagine if Ed Milliband had given the £11.8bn he is giving overseas to help other countries tackle the "climate crisis" to the 12 million UK homes with no off street charging facility.
Chargers on the streets, in the kerb, street lamps, charging posts every 10m, in the car parks of flats etc.
And a flat rate of around 20p/kw for everyone on a normal 3 phase charge speed. If I can pay 24p/kw as a small business I'm sure the government can secure that price.
Get the infrastructure right and people will buy it, if you can't, well, that is your answer to the tech.
I also think that if a hybrid can cover 100km in pure EV mode, it should be classed the same as an EV. Most people will cover 80-90% of all their journeys on pure EV, they will want to save money.
The UK have royally screwed up in this regard.
“ The UK have royally screwed up in this regard”, whilst I understand the sentiment, the 2 countries aren’t starting from the same position. Circa 5.5M population of Norway and population of Oslo circa 800k. Hardly comparable positions in terms of population density and the issues that brings in regards of providing an infrastructure…..
andyglos said:
“ The UK have royally screwed up in this regard”, whilst I understand the sentiment, the 2 countries aren’t starting from the same position. Circa 5.5M population of Norway and population of Oslo circa 800k. Hardly comparable positions in terms of population density and the issues that brings in regards of providing an infrastructure…..
I meant the UK's decision to class hybrids the same as ICE, unlike the EU. Mind you, that is intertwined.
You are right though, the UK simply is not ready for EV yet, no one knows when the tech will be ready either, it certainly isn't in it's current form.
Yet here we are pushing everyone to go full EV faster than just about everywhere else.
Edited by Ed.Neumann on Monday 2nd December 17:32
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