2023 rallying thread (WRC, ERC, national and historics)
Discussion
thepawbroon said:
I think Elfyn cut his teeth in BTRDA and Welsh forest rallies in a Micra....
Anyway, what I read into the "darkness" comments was more about the weather, specifically the temperature dropping at night and damp patches forming ice after the route note crews had been through.
It is a shame this Monte is a bit more benign than usual, due to lack of snow. But we have the prospect of an Evans and Tanak fight back now.
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I’d be amazed if Elfyn hadn’t done some night rallies around the Welsh lanes, but you might be right, his rise to the WRC may have been slightly less grassroots.Anyway, what I read into the "darkness" comments was more about the weather, specifically the temperature dropping at night and damp patches forming ice after the route note crews had been through.
It is a shame this Monte is a bit more benign than usual, due to lack of snow. But we have the prospect of an Evans and Tanak fight back now.
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Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 23 January 16:29
greeny12 said:
Weather - or lack of it - is doing this event no favours. It's just so samey. Feels like you could interchange any of today's stages and not notice the difference.
Shame.
I don't think it helps that they don't use a larger geographical area, as they did in years past.Shame.
I'm reminded of 2011, when it was quite a dry event, apart from the 2nd afternoon when snow was a possibility; Delecour had been telling everyone it would snow a few days before. He was right, and the event was turned upside down......something we don't see very often in recent Montes.
ArnageWRC said:
Idon't think it helps that they don't use a larger geographical area, as they did in years past.
I'm reminded of 2011, when it was quite a dry event, apart from the 2nd afternoon when snow was a possibility; Delecour had been telling everyone it would snow a few days before. He was right, and the event was turned upside down......something we don't see very often in recent Montes.
Agreed. It’s pretty tedious seeing the same stages used 2,3 and this year, 4 times.I'm reminded of 2011, when it was quite a dry event, apart from the 2nd afternoon when snow was a possibility; Delecour had been telling everyone it would snow a few days before. He was right, and the event was turned upside down......something we don't see very often in recent Montes.
If they used stages further afield from Monaco there’d be a much better chance of some of them being properly icy or snow covered.
As JP says, the lack of a lunchtime service halt means there’s no opportunity to try differing suspension/diff/geo set ups (well they could, but if they get it wrong, the day becomes nothing more than a damage limitation exercise) and having to make tyre choices several days before an event like the Monte is, quite frankly ridiculous.
I'm afraid tedious is the word - and one wishes it wasn't. It's the same old format event after event, year after year......there's little variation. Drivers have years worth of pace notes of the same stages, which may have slight changes over the years.
It all needs a massive shake up.....doing the same thing isn't bringing anything new to the sport. It's just stagnating....and in truth being left behind by other series.
It all needs a massive shake up.....doing the same thing isn't bringing anything new to the sport. It's just stagnating....and in truth being left behind by other series.
It is just a profit scheme for Red Bull, they personally sponsor the leading drivers, and often cars, pretty much have since they got involved, they tie the footage up behind paywalls so the loyal few thousands who are dumb enough to pay for it keep them able to cover it and maybe make a small profit, while ripping its heart out entirely for their free Red Bull channels.
the drivers are amazing, the stages are sometimes amazing, and the cars deserve more. As do the teams. They must get something out of it, not sure what, but enough to warrant being there. And fans live get the teat at times of seeing that.
I have said for a long time it needs root and branch overhaul, longer events over more days, more night driving, more tough conditions, none of this get back in of you retire and can stills score points nonsense.
costs can be reduced by going to R5 or as I would have it an R5+, maybe that has hybrid, but a simple package that doesn't cost the earth. price capped as R5 is. less rallies, more stage mileage, newer stages every rally if possible, no in car video recording as right now crews literally sit there and record and wtriet notes to videos, that is why they take the risks they do and the cuts etc, that is not rallying really.
the drivers are amazing, the stages are sometimes amazing, and the cars deserve more. As do the teams. They must get something out of it, not sure what, but enough to warrant being there. And fans live get the teat at times of seeing that.
I have said for a long time it needs root and branch overhaul, longer events over more days, more night driving, more tough conditions, none of this get back in of you retire and can stills score points nonsense.
costs can be reduced by going to R5 or as I would have it an R5+, maybe that has hybrid, but a simple package that doesn't cost the earth. price capped as R5 is. less rallies, more stage mileage, newer stages every rally if possible, no in car video recording as right now crews literally sit there and record and wtriet notes to videos, that is why they take the risks they do and the cuts etc, that is not rallying really.
I'm one paying for the coverage, and I am enjoying it even though its the same stages over and over. They still change with the time of day and the bit of overconfidence that results in place swapping, then plans on how and where they might regain the time.
It still seems quite close between the top 5. Sunday could be fun watching. Could be. I hope so.
It still seems quite close between the top 5. Sunday could be fun watching. Could be. I hope so.
I'm paying for the app and enjoying the coverage as well!
Really love this generation of cars, by far the most impressive era ever to me. The only down side is the cost and lack of manufacturers, that's the only reason I'd be interested in a R5+ class, to ensure Skoda, Citroen, Msport, Hyunda, Toyota.
Only 16 seconds between Rovanpera and Ogier now after Rovanpera took 10 seconds out of him on the last stage. Still might be too much but with 60 odd KM to go, it's gonna spice things up! Pity Evans lost 43 seconds with a puncture, he'd be right in there with a chance for victory.
Really love this generation of cars, by far the most impressive era ever to me. The only down side is the cost and lack of manufacturers, that's the only reason I'd be interested in a R5+ class, to ensure Skoda, Citroen, Msport, Hyunda, Toyota.
Only 16 seconds between Rovanpera and Ogier now after Rovanpera took 10 seconds out of him on the last stage. Still might be too much but with 60 odd KM to go, it's gonna spice things up! Pity Evans lost 43 seconds with a puncture, he'd be right in there with a chance for victory.
fttm said:
Roll on 2 weeks time , Galway .
Yup, I'll be marshalling I'd say, Probably the toughest tarmac rally in Europe with how mucky it gets!Trying to work out the stages from the road closing orders, I find it a fun challenge! 160 entries received, they will be live streaming the service area and broadcasting live on the stages with a highlights programme released online during the week after the event rather than on TV a few weeks later. This is being trailed for the entire tarmac championship.
Some poor pictures of some of the more unusual cars from Brands yesterday.
The 308 sounded otherworldly compared to the usual suspects.
Great way to spend a day though.
Generally easy/good viewing.
Sadly the stage layout made viewing the dirty bits quite hard though.
Also, shout out to the loudest and fastest 1.4 Micra I've ever seen...
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc2/breaking-gry...
Gryazin has been handed 5 second penalty and lost the win, Rossel wins WRC2!
That 308 is gorgeous, what is the variety of cars like in those circuit rally events? Over here it just seems to be mk2's and Civics now!
Gryazin has been handed 5 second penalty and lost the win, Rossel wins WRC2!
That 308 is gorgeous, what is the variety of cars like in those circuit rally events? Over here it just seems to be mk2's and Civics now!
GravelBen said:
Took me a while to find this thread again, apparently there is a separate rallying section of PH now and its there instead of general motorsport... when did that happen?
I don't understand this at all - it was fine where it was, in the General Motorsport forum. Rallying simply doesn't get the interest to warrant a separate forum.Gassing Station | Rallying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff