RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled

[595Heaven]

It is quite a busy design, with lots going on.



Ribbed and dotted doors for extra sensation. What looks like the the biggest fuel filler flap ever. Perhaps it covers fuel / AdBlue and protects for a charging port?

The twin tailgate looks expensive, and will put a bit blind spot in the rear view mirror. Weird how it has what looks like a a licence plate holder in the tailgate, and also in the bumper

And whoever signed the images off needs to check the tyre lettering

[FlukePlay]

This looks like a real slap in the face for Land Rover but 25K volume is rather ambitious for a startup. If it's fit for purpose then good luck to them. Will we start seeing a Twisted Grenadier?

[Jimmy Recard]

I like this a lot. Can’t wait to hear more!

[The Leaper]

At last...a thread where the new LR Defender knockers can have their field day. They don't recognize that the new defender is intentionally a different vehicle to the past models and now they have the INEOS to crow about, but they probably will not buy it.

R.

[simonwedge]

I think they've absolutely nailed their brief, best of luck to them.

[Hugh Jarse]

wisbech said:

I think it will be the GT86. The car every one says they want, but they will still buy a FWD hot hatch/ soft SUV.

Clivey said:

2xChevrons said:

I still think that this will be the aeronautical chronometer wristwatch of the 4x4 world - very capable and clever in itself, but bought mostly by people who are drawn to the image rather than the ability that that authenticity provides - but I see no reason to knock the vehicle itself given what it was designed to be.

If sales to posers are what makes it economically viable to produce, then so be it. At least those of us that would use it's ability have the choice of another suitable vehicle.

Interesting points.
It is seriously unaerodynamic with rain gutters and all the other paraphenalia, which we might says is irrelevant, but I bet most of the time it is cruising between roundabouts.
Then again, cars are purchased for all sorts of reasons, rationality way down the list. If you had tonka toys in your 1972 sandpit like me....then.........

[ColdoRS]

Looks great, should be electric.

Flame suit on.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Twin cab pick up and a tax break? I’m in

Getting it built and reliable out to customers still feels like a long way away though

[Rojo]

I’d be crapping myself now if my business model was to gentrify old defenders. £100k you say for an old Fender? I’ll buy a new one of these, sort out the cross eyes at the front and hey presto!

[seapod]

Like this a lot. Front lights are a little odd, too small or 'soft' perhaps? Need a bit of toughening up. But then at some angles I quite like them, maybe its one of those features you need to see in the flesh.

Other than that, I am looking forward to putting my name down.

Am i target market? I have a 64 plate 90 with some extra bits which I bought almost new from a main dealer. Tellingly I have never been tempted to go back to look at the new Defender, it doesnt do anything for me. For shooting/beating in the winter and tows my boat in the summer. So semi-lifestyle use I guess? Its no garage queen but I don't really 'need' its full functionality.

I think this could fit the bill of a mid-point between what the new 90 should have been and a DIsco 4.5. If I can use it as an everyday vehicle as well as for weekend work, then I will be very happy

[broncoupe]

Just demonstrates how easily JLR could have satisfied traditional and new clients
All credit to a great visionary

[Numeric]

I am litrerally the worst sort of poser for a car of this type - spent a lot of time around US pickups in my yoof but have no real requirement except the ones made up in my head (if I had a pickup I would...)

But I am actively researching pickups at the moment with a view to getting one before Christmas (replacing the M2 - before you scoff in the 90s research suggested that US pickups were not infrequently bought by people coming out of sports cars and vice versa)

And I would love to have a UK option, with the right size and space. Ideally an extended ( so I get the combi speed limit) rather than crew cab (so the most bed space) but as engine and spec options are alwyas very limited I will have to go crew.

And gosh this looks great - really great!! Perfect for the pure poser - so perfect for me!

Only concern would be fuel burn - actually most pickups seem to be around 35mpg in data so late 20s real I guess which I don't mind (bigest engine options) but I am concerned this thing has more the look of 25 test and therefore teens real. That could be too much for my wallet especially as fuel tax is likely to get very extreme soon.

[Turini]

Ok so although it’s not much a surprise that it looks like a defender clone I am keen to hear their design rationale and see what they have engineered into the body so it isn’t just a pastiche of the JLR look.

It’ll be interesting to see how Police and other services/organisations who need a genuine utility vehicle receive this as that 25000 sales figure could be quickly eaten into by fleet sales especially if vehicle engineering can be provided to meet specific demands.

Glad it’s over the line, I think we all have a high degree of scepticism for new starts but this one clearly has integrity to it unlike others which don’t seem more than a pipe dream and a rendering of a design - very interesting to note that this is the finished vehicle being released after testing rather than the other way round...

Edited by Turini on Wednesday 1st July 07:55

[595Heaven]

A few design nuggets courtesy of Steve Cropley...

The alpine lights aren’t alpine lights apparently. They are ‘tie bars’ to secure roof loads


The smaller rear asymmetric door opens first, and the square that looks like where the licence plate should live actually houses the tool kit.

The black strips on doors and below the rear window are pre wired to allow lights to be fixed to them

[AmitG]

wisbech said:

I think it will be the GT86. The car every one says they want, but they will still buy a FWD hot hatch/ soft SUV.

I think this will turn out to be true, but I also feel that they will do pretty well with this. I certainly hope so. I read that they need to sell 25,000 a year to break even. That seems totally do-able to me.

I am definitely interested.

[NJJ]

I like new Defender and didn't expect to like this, in fact I was quite cyclical about the whole project, but credit where it is due I really like it and I wish them well. As others have said, reliability/build quality and ability to have it serviced will be key.

[Bill]

Turini said:

Glad it’s over the line, I think we all have a high degree of scepticism for new starts but this one clearly has integrity to it unlikes others which don’t seem more than a pipe dream and a rendering of a design - very interesting to note that this is the finished vehicle being released after testing rather than the other way round...

This is just a render isn't it?

It's a bit fussy to my eyes and BMW engines aren't exactly utility, but I'll be very interested to see some reviews.

[loveice]

TATA, please buy the rights of this and call it the new Defender, and rebadge the new Defender as Discovery 6. I have no problem as this wasn't designed or developed by LR, in fact I don't mind if INEOS/Magna continue to build and improve it over the years. G-Class was almost solely done by Magna anyway. And at least we will have a British build Defender if it matters.

[ukaskew]

Clivey said:

If sales to posers are what makes it economically viable to produce, then so be it. At least those of us that would use it's ability have the choice of another suitable vehicle.

I wonder if the various Defender modification companies will take this one on, it seems like a great platform to work off of.

[Bill]

And they appear to have forgotten the front diff... If it's got IFS 300bhp will do his nut!