BMW Z3 with Ferrari 250 SWB kit

BMW Z3 with Ferrari 250 SWB kit

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Venturist

3,472 posts

195 months

Saturday 7th October 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
How will the DVLA's latest purge on altered cars affect these?
As effectively a bolt-on panel kit I don’t think they can do anything, it’s still a Z3 mechanically and structurally?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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There is something about this thing that I like.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Nerdherder said:
There is something about this thing that I like.
To be period doesnt it need the chrome bumpers - see the holes in the front panel below the indicators for the mounting arms

Oh I already said that 5 posts up getmecoat

CanAm

9,178 posts

272 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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saaby93 said:
To be period doesnt it need the chrome bumpers - see the holes in the front panel below the indicators for the mounting arms

Oh I already said that 5 posts up getmecoat
They were generally raced without bumpers and looked better for it (IMHO).

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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CanAm said:
They were generally raced without bumpers and looked better for it (IMHO).
This.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Without saying whether it looks better or not, here's some googles





smash

2,062 posts

228 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
How will the DVLA's latest purge on altered cars affect these?
More Ferrari's purge of late! Some websites still displaying trade dress despite DNA 250 being shut down a couple of months ago and now a recent rumored destruction order...

Steve Ascot

4 posts

73 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Hi all, I'm new on here. I picked up my Ferrari 250 tribute at the end of last year, built by Mr Bird.
I am both delighted with my beautiful new car and frustrated at some of the "finishing" that Mr Bird has left me with.
Apparently Ferrari have put him out of business so he can't put the snags right, I saw someone posted something about this sort of thing on here hence me joining to make comment.
A couple of questions to anyone who's in the know;
What makes theses cars illegal, is it just the badges? An easy fix to remove if necessary.
Also can anyone recommend someone competent who can take my car and sort out the snags? I'm outside west London so someone in the south of England would be ideal.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Steve Ascot said:
Hi all, I'm new on here. I picked up my Ferrari 250 tribute at the end of last year, built by Mr Bird.
I am both delighted with my beautiful new car and frustrated at some of the "finishing" that Mr Bird has left me with.
Apparently Ferrari have put him out of business
Can you say more? they must have been worried
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_Automotive


pingu393

7,778 posts

205 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Steve Ascot said:
Hi all, I'm new on here. I picked up my Ferrari 250 tribute at the end of last year, built by Mr Bird.
I am both delighted with my beautiful new car and frustrated at some of the "finishing" that Mr Bird has left me with.
Apparently Ferrari have put him out of business so he can't put the snags right, I saw someone posted something about this sort of thing on here hence me joining to make comment.
A couple of questions to anyone who's in the know;
What makes theses cars illegal, is it just the badges? An easy fix to remove if necessary.
Also can anyone recommend someone competent who can take my car and sort out the snags? I'm outside west London so someone in the south of England would be ideal.
It's a copyright thing. I think (not 100% sure) that Ferrari copyright the shapes of their cars as well as the names. Don't go to Italy. If you do, you risk getting the car crushed.

Caddyshack

10,723 posts

206 months

Saturday 17th March 2018
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It depends what your snags are but I suspect Stuart Brown body repairs in brook (near Guildford in Surrey) can sort it out for you. He just did a lovely land rover for Vinnie Jones and he is not expensive either.

Steve Ascot

4 posts

73 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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Thanks for that Caddyshack, I’ll give him a call

Steve Ascot

4 posts

73 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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Thought I should share a colour photo of my 250

Steve Ascot

4 posts

73 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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V8RX7

26,828 posts

263 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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saaby93 said:
Steve Ascot said:
Hi all, I'm new on here. I picked up my Ferrari 250 tribute at the end of last year, built by Mr Bird.
I am both delighted with my beautiful new car and frustrated at some of the "finishing" that Mr Bird has left me with.
Apparently Ferrari have put him out of business
Can you say more? they must have been worried
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_Automotive
Have they ?

That link doesn't give any such info and his website is still up

A quick Google doesn't find anything either

confused

Fastpedeller

3,872 posts

146 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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pingu393 said:
It's a copyright thing. I think (not 100% sure) that Ferrari copyright the shapes of their cars as well as the names. Don't go to Italy. If you do, you risk getting the car crushed.
It's somewhat a grey area (especially from cars made many years ago) - Ferrari didn't make a SWB250 convertible, so it's a strange thing if they've taken action on this panel kit.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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jeff666 said:
Fastpedeller said:
It's somewhat a grey area (especially from cars made many years ago) - Ferrari didn't make a SWB250 convertible, so it's a strange thing if they've taken action on this panel kit.
If true ?

Ferrari took action against Nubodi and a DNA car that was for sale by Total Headturners at last years NEC classic, apparently a destruction order was put on both cars.(again if true)

Nubodi no longer advertises the 250 on their website so make of that what you will.

Nubodi wont supply their Northern build agent with kits any more so I do think some thing has happened, this was told to me by another kit manufacturer in my area so 2nd hand info again.

Tribute still advertise both kits on their website so they don't seem to worried, I do know from memory years ago Tribute were stopped by Bentley for doing a look a like on a supra.
maybe the problem is if theyre advertising them as ferrari and adding similar badges
f it was sold as a Tribune 25 its just a BMW Z3 with curvey panels


jaguartvr

6 posts

149 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Steve Ascot said:
I have one that I built, if you contact me I can probably help. From the look of your username I am only just down the road from you.

PAUL500

2,634 posts

246 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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It will be the use of the Ferrari name by association in any marketing I would imagine. Ferrari cannot stop anyone making a lookalike, none of the panels would fit an original either so no infringements in that respect.

What they can do is get a very expensive legal firm to send you a nasty letter to frighten the life out of you. Apparently that works in most cases.

Having said that I was chatting to a maker of very nice 250 SWB toolroom copies recently and Ferrari have shown no interest at all in trying to stop them, they even supply bits to Ferrari for their own restorations.

The key thing to do it would seem is what Singer do, that is convert customers own cars rather than selling converted cars. The reality is that they source the donor for the new owner and register it in the owners name first then convert it, but this gets around the legalities.



Edited by PAUL500 on Tuesday 20th March 21:30

Fastpedeller

3,872 posts

146 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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PAUL500 said:
It will be the use of the Ferrari name by association in any marketing I would imagine. Ferrari cannot stop anyone making a lookalike,
I wouldn't be sure of that - There was a famous case between Caterham and Westfield. C have a 'copyright' on the shape of their car, and Westfield were forced to change their vehicle. This sort of thing can be very complex (and can depend to an extent on whether funds are available to fight an action!).
It could be that time elapsed since manufacture is a factor, or whether the original manufacturer is still selling the model. I don't believe they can stop anyone making a lookalike for their own use (I may be wrong), but when it becomes an income stream as a business I believe that changes. Also If it was your own car and you sold it, I don't know what the position would be - probably ok if you had no F badges on it, but (understandably) not ok to pass it off as a genuine item. The use of F badges but specifically stating it isn't one may be ok for a 1-off private sale. Best just avoided IMHO.