RE: Adrenaline Motorsport Murtaya

[fuoriserie]

andygtt said:

val said:

Swap the drivetrain so that the engine is where its supposed to be and make it handle moscow roads in winter. Oh, an make it look good. Then ill buy one.

I'm also surprised that people are so against the styling... I guess it must be one of those love it or hate it things.

Styling is really subjective, sometimes you like something and sometimes you don't, I have the same feeling with other cars that some people love and i hate. (see BMW series 1, 5, 7).

The Murtaya in my opinion is in between, from certain views it looks really good, the rear 3/4 is great, and the side view is nice and balanced.

Maybe the front end needs a few minor tweeks, but not much, and if you think of what you get engineering wise, I wouldn't argue much with this car.

It has al the things you want in a sportscar.

If I had the money, I would really think hard about it........

Edited by fuoriserie on Friday 5th January 09:36

[Hard-Drive]

Looks like what would happen if an MX5 and a Z4 ended up in the sack together...

Interesting concept though...

[scoobiewrx]

For me it looks pretty good. Something a bit different from the norm, and with Scooby running gear i imagine it'll be awesome to drive. I'm sure the production model will have excellent build quality and for the money what they have produced is nothing short of fabulous.

I wonder if you could get them to spec up a better than PPP tuned engine e.g.(Litchfield Type 25 415bhp) and the adjustable suspension. That would make a sensational car. In any case i think the Murtaya in ready made form even with a standard spec scooby engine will take a fair chunk of business away from the established leaders in this field. And the best of it is you can actually put a meaningful amount of luggage in this too, try doing that in a Lotus.

I would definately be up for one of these and with 4x4 traction it makes this a very tempting proposition. "A mini Lambo" Gimme Gimme!!

[rustybin]

If you base one of these on an R or RA spec car i.e. one with a DCCD you could have the best of both worlds. Adjustability between near rear wheel drive for track days and open spaces and AWD stability for daily blats down B roads without quite the risk of going backwards through a hedge at the slightest hint of slippy surfaces. It's a cross between a seven-a-like and an Impreza; If the natural understeery tendency is removed through the centre diff and suspension geometry I cannot see what is not to like. Properly done, there is nothing to stop this being the fastest real world car you can buy.

[andyinpembs]

I really liked my old subaru turbo, and its the sort of car that would appeal to me, I have to say. I always thought that you had to be a right nob to fit a dump valve though. That alone would put me off. For the uninitiated, what does it do apprt from make you look like a *&^^**&?

[scoobiewrx]

A dump valve releases the pressure that builds up in a Turbo. While pressure is high it can make it harder to spin-up the turbo and it can also slow the turbo down so all the excess pressure is vented to atmosphere during gearchanges or rapid decelleration. I have one on my scooby but it is very quiet and you can hardly hear it. Hope this helps.

[grahambell]

scoobiewrx said:

I wonder if you could get them to spec up a better than PPP tuned engine e.g.(Litchfield Type 25 415bhp) and the adjustable suspension.

There are 5 'road' engine power options going up to 395bhp. The prototype has adjustable strut top mounts for development use, and though production 'road' versions won't have these, they should be available as an option. Spax adjustable struts also an option.

[boRED S2upid]

Fantasic News its great to hear this type of news. Especially with the state of UK Car Production with TVR going to Italy. If all that remains of UK Car Production is the likes of this company, Westfield, Caterham, Atom, Ultima etc... Then 1 for one will not be complaining. I would much prefer the UK to be known for producing these types of cars than say Fords.

[andygtt]

scoobiewrx said:

A dump valve releases the pressure that builds up in a Turbo. While pressure is high it can make it harder to spin-up the turbo and it can also slow the turbo down so all the excess pressure is vented to atmosphere during gearchanges or rapid decelleration. I have one on my scooby but it is very quiet and you can hardly hear it. Hope this helps.

The debate as to if a dump valve help responsiveness on smaller turbos is subjective. One school of thought is exactly as you mention which keeps the turbo spinning better off throttle, BUT you then have to re-pressure the system again which gives lag.
I had a dump valve on my car for years until an expert convinced me to try it without (T3.4 25psi car) and he was right it was slightly more responsive in the gears without.

On larger turbos though you must have a dump valve as the pressure you mention could actually stall the turbos due to the compressor size and can actually damage the turbo.

[ricola]

All subarus have dump valves as standard, the difference is that the standard ones are recirculating, which dumps the excess pressure back to the intake, not to the outside world like most aftermarket ones. Venting externally also confuses the ECU by having more air flowing through the MAF than is going into the engine which results in excess fuel which gives the popping noises..

Rich

scoobiewrx said:

A dump valve releases the pressure that builds up in a Turbo. While pressure is high it can make it harder to spin-up the turbo and it can also slow the turbo down so all the excess pressure is vented to atmosphere during gearchanges or rapid decelleration. I have one on my scooby but it is very quiet and you can hardly hear it. Hope this helps.

[jamesg20]

As Barry says, ditch the chavtastic dump valve...
Styling is average in my opinion, but I guess the previous kit car it's based on maybe didn't offer that much scope for change.
Just my opinion, obviously.

edited as i thought my original post may have offended!

Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 5th January 16:18

Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 5th January 16:19

[grahambell]

jamesg20 said:

Styling is average in my opinion, but I guess the previous kit car it's based on maybe didn't offer that much scope for change.

Actually James the only thing the Murtaya has in common with the Minari is the windscreen - the rest was designed from scratch. Yes, it does retain some Minari styling features, but that's simply the way Adrenaline chose to do it.

OK, so the styling isn't as sexy as a G20, but I think all those scoops and bulges give it a brutal, purposful look that suits the muscle on tap.

[Ferg]

Although I like the use of Subaru mechanicals I find the styling of the car either ugly, dated or both depending on where it's viewed from.

I still like the Minari, I think it has aged well.

Only my opinion, though, and fairly worthless

[jamesg20]

grahambell said:

jamesg20 said:

Styling is average in my opinion, but I guess the previous kit car it's based on maybe didn't offer that much scope for change.

Actually James the only thing the Murtaya has in common with the Minari is the windscreen - the rest was designed from scratch. Yes, it does retain some Minari styling features, but that's simply the way Adrenaline chose to do it.

OK, so the styling isn't as sexy as a G20, but I think all those scoops and bulges give it a brutal, purposful look that suits the muscle on tap.

I wasn't trying to say anything was better than anything else, i think Adrenaline could open up the market more fully if the styling was tweaked a bit. Making small numbers of cars is a difficult job, i think as a manufacturer you need to appeal to as many people as possible to make something a success. I would hate for Adrenaline to struggle (as many kit car makers do) simply because no-one had the courteousy to tell them they thought it looked a bit ugly...

I do wish Adrenaline every success in an already difficult market. I hope to get to a show and have a nosey in the flesh.

James.

Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 5th January 17:16

[Hiryu]

jamesg20 said:

I wasn't trying to say anything was better than anything else, i think Adrenaline could open up the market more fully if the styling was tweaked a bit. Making small numbers of cars is a difficult job, i think as a manufacturer you need to appeal to as many people as possible to make something a success. I would hate for Adrenaline to struggle (as many kit car makers do) simply because no-one had the courteousy to tell them they thought it looked a bit ugly...

I do wish Adrenaline every success in an already difficult market. I hope to get to a show and have a nosey in the flesh.

James.

I wouldn't worry too much about AMS; from what I've seen, the majority of the people actually like the looks of the Murtaya (not to mention the performance, etc.). The waiting list for their cars is growing. It seems like they have in fact created a car that appeals to the masses--which includes the looks. Only time will tell, but overall, the response seems favorable.

Mike

[Black5]

Hiryu said:

I wouldn't worry too much about AMS; from what I've seen, the majority of the people actually like the looks of the Murtaya (not to mention the performance, etc.). The waiting list for their cars is growing. It seems like they have in fact created a car that appeals to the masses--which includes the looks. Only time will tell, but overall, the response seems favorable.

Mike

I can only agree here. Last check they are full for Jan and are taking the last couple of Feb deliveries. There also advanced orders for later in the year.

One thing has to be said about AMS marketing. There are more cars ordered turnkey than self build and many orders & enquiries coming from outside the kit car industry. This can only be good for the industry in general as more 'outsiders' start looking at what is available.

[scoobiewrx]

Most people would say my bugeye scooby sportwagon is fugly but it's still a great car and it definately looks different to the norm. I really like the Murtaya Styling despite what anyone says, and as has been said already that scoop looks very muscular. I'm pretty sure Murtaya owners will be very chuffed with their purchase and seeing this now means i have another agonising choice of potential upgrade when i change my car next year for another daily driver.

This is my list.... New Shape Impreza Sti(PPP) when its finally produced, Litchfield Type25, Treg V10 TDi, and now potentially a Murtaya with lots of BHP. The list goes on.....

[ChrisD]

[quote]Making small numbers of cars is a difficult job, i think as a manufacturer you need to appeal to as many people as possible to make something a success.[/quote]

Personally, think quite the opposite to be true - selling a small production numbers car pretty much always means selling to individualists, most of which are terribly bored by the typical mass-market "don't offend anybody" approach - for them it's about getting involved with something that clearly isn't for everybody.

[Daniel B]

Hi guys,
just seen the posts/pictures and report on this car, and very exciting it is too.

I too remember the fast dissapearing Delfino!

I will be in the market for a Lotus Elise in a year or two, but if this is a fully fledged car by then I will definitely not dismiss it out of hand, the looks are ok in my eyes, not stunning, but then might look better in a different colour?

Will there be a forum for owners of this car, as would really like ot hear experiences from people who own and run them?

Thanks

Dan

[fuoriserie]

What happened to the Delfino Feroce project ?, their site is still up and showing pictures of the Minari based feroce prototype

www.delfino.co.uk/index.htm

and for those who like the old Minari, check this build

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.i

Edited by fuoriserie on Saturday 6th January 15:50

Edited by fuoriserie on Saturday 6th January 15:52