KITCAR DESIGN sketches/concepts year 2008-10

KITCAR DESIGN sketches/concepts year 2008-10

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blitzracing

6,387 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th January 2008
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With the backside of a Ginetta G12.

fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

268 months

Thursday 17th January 2008
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groomi said:
^^Looks a lot like an old Ginetta G15 - which is not a bad thing.^^



Edited by groomi on Monday 14th January 22:14
I've always liked this little Ginetta.....smile

kmquare

7 posts

194 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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I thought the Zolfe was really cool but I wouldnt compare it to a kit car, the quality of just the first prototype was light years ahead of any kit car out there. Apparently, it was all designed on computer and the tools CNC milled.

Same goes for the GTM 40TR which was just insane, and now that they're owned by Westfield it should get good handling.

fuoriserie

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268 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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kmquare said:
Same goes for the GTM 40TR which was just insane.
Yep.......biggrin

jon0m

14 posts

194 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Quick note on Lithium-Ion batteries in the Tesla - they are a modified battery using nanotechnology in the electrodes. The result is that they take a full charge in 10 MINUTES!!! And the overheating issue is solved. The batteries are produced by Altair Nanotech who supply only OEMs at the moment. They are also good for some rediculous number of recharges 10,000 to 15,000 so they will probably outlive the vehicle. They will be the basis of a new generation of EVs I think. Coupled with 3-phase AC motors you would have planet saving possibilities and a cracking performance.

Foolish Dave

2,101 posts

255 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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fuoriserie said:
groomi said:
^^Looks a lot like an old Ginetta G15 - which is not a bad thing.^^



Edited by groomi on Monday 14th January 22:14
I've always liked this little Ginetta.....smile
One of those sold for just £3,300 at auction the other month! Didn't realise they were such a bargin these days!

Foolish Dave

2,101 posts

255 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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Midas said:
And here's the finished car?

I'd forgotten about that - may be seriously interested depending on how long Lotus takes to release their Eagle and they actually release this wink

Edited by Foolish Dave on Tuesday 29th January 15:46

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

242 months

Tuesday 29th January 2008
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jon0m said:
Quick note on Lithium-Ion batteries in the Tesla - they are a modified battery using nanotechnology in the electrodes. The result is that they take a full charge in 10 MINUTES!!! And the overheating issue is solved.
You may be able to charge the equivalent of a laptop battery in 10 minutes.

Have you considered how much power it takes to charge the 6800 plus cells in a Tesla in that time? You would have to use a purpose built charging station as I don't think an ordinary domestic feed into the house could cope. Never mind a three pin outlet.

Foolish Dave

2,101 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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FlossyThePig said:
jon0m said:
Quick note on Lithium-Ion batteries in the Tesla - they are a modified battery using nanotechnology in the electrodes. The result is that they take a full charge in 10 MINUTES!!! And the overheating issue is solved.
You may be able to charge the equivalent of a laptop battery in 10 minutes.

Have you considered how much power it takes to charge the 6800 plus cells in a Tesla in that time? You would have to use a purpose built charging station as I don't think an ordinary domestic feed into the house could cope. Never mind a three pin outlet.
Even if it was 10 minutes to charge, it only takes a minute, 2 tops to fill the huge tank with petrol. I wouldn't want to have to wait that long at a charging station.
And I can't see only domestic supplies for this technology: If I vist a friend I don't want to make them pay for my car to be 'refuelled' and if I'm on a long journey, say to the local supermarket, I'd need to fill up along the way, or wait for a breakdown truck carrying a generator... powered by petrol smile

Davi

17,153 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Foolish Dave said:
FlossyThePig said:
jon0m said:
Quick note on Lithium-Ion batteries in the Tesla - they are a modified battery using nanotechnology in the electrodes. The result is that they take a full charge in 10 MINUTES!!! And the overheating issue is solved.
You may be able to charge the equivalent of a laptop battery in 10 minutes.

Have you considered how much power it takes to charge the 6800 plus cells in a Tesla in that time? You would have to use a purpose built charging station as I don't think an ordinary domestic feed into the house could cope. Never mind a three pin outlet.
Even if it was 10 minutes to charge, it only takes a minute, 2 tops to fill the huge tank with petrol. I wouldn't want to have to wait that long at a charging station.
And I can't see only domestic supplies for this technology: If I vist a friend I don't want to make them pay for my car to be 'refuelled' and if I'm on a long journey, say to the local supermarket, I'd need to fill up along the way, or wait for a breakdown truck carrying a generator... powered by petrol smile
Whilst you are obviously correct with the thoughts for longer journeys, if you sit and think about how many trips you do under 50 miles, they could be a viable proposition for a second car (if the initial cost was low enough). Personally we already do this as a family, I have my daily hack which usually gets to go to work and back, nearby shops and once in a blue moon somewhere further. The rest of the time its sat on the drive. For longer journeys and fun we use the wifes car. I could easily replace my hack with an electric vehicle and only have to charge it every other day at most, usually more like once a week.

Electric won't replace petrol for a true petrolhead but I can readily see the appeal of them for the daily 5mph commute, where I drag the best part of a ton of metal around purely to convey myself and a briefcase in comfort and convenience.

Plus it would piss off the environmentalists if they can't rave at you constantly hehe

Edited by Davi on Wednesday 30th January 09:26

jon0m

14 posts

194 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Flossy The Pig - Actual numbers are 10 minutes for a 95% charge - not quite full, granted, but close enough. Which means that Foolish Dave, if you are off to the supermarket then you probably won't require a full charge and 2 minutes will almost certainly do you. Having completed the shop you could always then organise yourself so that sometime in the next few hours, say until you want to go and pick up the kids, you can get the vehicle on charge at home (trickle charge if necessary) and top it right up.

Davi - I think you are on the right lines, except that it doesn't need to be a second car. Do you need something that goes faster than 150 mph and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds? Are you driving something that fast already? This isn't just an environmental issue - I work in the oil industry and we are relying on despots and gangsters to keep our transport systems (and by extension our entire social systems) running. At some stage they will hold us to ransom, if you don't think Chavez and Putin are doing so already.

Do I require that my driving enjoyment must come accompained by a particular set of audible frequencies and emissions? Or do I just enjoy the exhilaration of speed and handling?

Foolish Dave

2,101 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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We enjoy the noise too.

fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

268 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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jon0m said:
Davi - This isn't just an environmental issue - I work in the oil industry and we are relying on despots and gangsters to keep our transport systems (and by extension our entire social systems) running. At some stage they will hold us to ransom, if you don't think Chavez and Putin are doing so already.
Jon
I agree with you, they are doing that already in Italy, we've had to make a deal for our Gas supplies, and it wasn't on our terms....but at Putin's, just like it happened in Germany last year.

We need to get some creative thinking in the very near future...


Davi

17,153 posts

219 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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jon0m said:
Flossy The Pig - Actual numbers are 10 minutes for a 95% charge - not quite full, granted, but close enough. Which means that Foolish Dave, if you are off to the supermarket then you probably won't require a full charge and 2 minutes will almost certainly do you. Having completed the shop you could always then organise yourself so that sometime in the next few hours, say until you want to go and pick up the kids, you can get the vehicle on charge at home (trickle charge if necessary) and top it right up.

Davi - I think you are on the right lines, except that it doesn't need to be a second car. Do you need something that goes faster than 150 mph and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds? Are you driving something that fast already? This isn't just an environmental issue - I work in the oil industry and we are relying on despots and gangsters to keep our transport systems (and by extension our entire social systems) running. At some stage they will hold us to ransom, if you don't think Chavez and Putin are doing so already.

Do I require that my driving enjoyment must come accompained by a particular set of audible frequencies and emissions? Or do I just enjoy the exhilaration of speed and handling?
Absolutely agree with you on the crooks and gangsters running our transport system, though I don't think you need to look as far afield as you are - try the UK government...

This 10 minute charge will still as stated above require a serious charging station - to get that kind of power flowing you aren't going to be able to plug in to a normal household supply. I believe the Tesla are about 60kwh/350v(?) I seem to recall Tesla giving a lifecycle of just 500 charges as well? how many 10's of £1000's does a new pack cost?

My reasoning for a second car is one of cost - at the moment there is no way I would consider spending the sort of money required to purchase something like the tesla - the battery technology isn't there yet. Advancing, yes, but not tried and tested enough to convince me. I would however spend less on a much lower spec vehicle and for the meantime get my enjoyment from a conventional I.C.E. As to the noise, well I like it, however I also like the constant torque capability of electric motors and certainly wouldn't discount getting one purely for a performance car either. Unfortunately that loops back to battery technology again though...

jon0m

14 posts

194 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Tesla are currently shipping this car for US$ 100K (which is about 38 pence following the latest US rate cut). This is including a 220V domestic charger with a 70Amp draw which fits in your garage. This will give a full charge in 3.5 hours. So, yes to do that in 10 mins is ... getting on for 1500 Amps - I'm sure you could do that with a bit of cooling, might end up melting your meter mind.

The lifecycle of the batteries is claimed at 100,000 miles, and they are recycleable - I don't know the particular cost of that I'm afraid.

Having said all that, on balance, it may be fair to be less ambitious and take the cheaper second car option - Davi you're right, for the moment at least. I do disagree a little regarding the governments position - the North Sea produces not a lot these days. In fact I am thinking that the next phase of nuclear powerstation building will be seen as a very canny move come the time that petrol is, say, 25 quid a gallon and an electric car with 200 mile range can be recharged for less than 4 quid (assuming nuclear electricity costs rise as far as 7p/kWh) and the Tesla does that right now.



Edited by jon0m on Thursday 31st January 20:21

fuoriserie

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4,560 posts

268 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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JenkinsComp said:
The body buck for the Veeteor is now finished, all smooth and ready for the mould to be taken from it.
The mould will be taken in one go, then cut into sections and detailed so that the actual bodywork can be produced in 2 or 3 separate pieces. Aiming for December 2007 for the first set of bodywork, production 2008?
I'm really pleased with the rear lights and the side detail now that it's done.









Hi Chris, is your design project finished ?, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished car.

Cheers
Italo

Griffmonster

6 posts

173 months

Thursday 15th October 2009
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Hi guys, I'm Griff and I thought here was the best place to post details of my exciting plans for 2010.

Below are a couple of images of the first product I'm planning to launch next year. It's called the Seren (Welsh for "Star") and is a modern styled mid engined roadster to be sold in kit form.





I'd appreciate your feedback on the design.

Thanks

singlecoil

33,313 posts

245 months

Thursday 15th October 2009
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Griffmonster said:
I'd appreciate your feedback on the design.

Thanks
Well, the pictures are atractive, I would like a few (lot smile )more details when they become available. Something that gives an indication of the size would be good, too.

kennyrayandersen

132 posts

174 months

Thursday 15th October 2009
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I like it a lot. If it's not overpriced, has LHD optional and uses a Honda V-tec, just tell me where to send the deposit. Of course, assuming that the handling is up to snuff. What you really should do is partner up with someone who has a successful track record and knows what they are doing, like say Jeremy Phillips, in fact, this would be a great body for a Riot, or for the car that won't be called Spectre. Someone like that would give you instant credibility, whereas right now you are merely a guy with a cute sketch (no offense). The car does look great though.

seansverige

719 posts

181 months

Thursday 15th October 2009
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Overall looks pretty impressive but if you want anything more than general feedback need more views needed - particularly side elevation - in larger resolution please (should be able to upload ~1800x1200 ish)

Basic dimensions too - lxwxh and wheelbase: is it everything yours or does this sit on existing chassis, and if you plan to launch next year what stage of completion are you at now?