GTM Libra/Murtaya
Discussion
rdodger said:
Bertram said:
kylemrushall said:
...... i think the Libra is a lovely looking car but not with a K a nice Honda would make it a great package.
Audi Turbo anyone ?? 
Bye,
Bertram
www.gtmlibra.nl
Edited by Bertram on Friday 29th August 21:17
Far too heavy! Especially with a DSG box!
We have two threads on the same topic so to be efficient here is what I said on the other thread:
(Oh, and I don't actually work for Adrenaline but have ordered a Murtaya)
Living with a Murtaya should be easier than a Vx220 or Elise - far larger boot and more cabin storage space. Getting in and out is very similar, reliability should be no problems at all, I have spoken to a Subaru garage about servicing and they were happy to service it and got a little too excited as they realised they could actually get to the spark plugs
Insurance for me was a third of what I was paying for my VX!
Noise with the roof off at speed is really minimal - after a trip with the roof of in a VX I was nearly deaf at the other end, (still fun though) the Murtaya is really very civilised.
Adrenaline are definitely still going, in fact they are working their c*cks off - can't make Murtayas fast enough, there is a huge demand it seems. I am sure Neil won't mind me saying that the website situation is in hand.
Also worth checking out www.murtaya.com for Mike's website in the US - there are also companies in various other countries who have Murtaya kits who are doing their own builds.
One of the Kit-car Mags is or has built a Murtaya - might be worth checking that out too.
I believe someone has mentioned already get a Murtaya with 'just' a WRX engine and then upgrade later.
As I have said before, if you are thinking about a Murtaya have a test drive! Something which weighs less than an Elise and has three times the power through 4wd is really rather potent.
They are at Llandough today so hopefully Neil will be along later to let us know how it went.
(Oh, and I don't actually work for Adrenaline but have ordered a Murtaya)
Living with a Murtaya should be easier than a Vx220 or Elise - far larger boot and more cabin storage space. Getting in and out is very similar, reliability should be no problems at all, I have spoken to a Subaru garage about servicing and they were happy to service it and got a little too excited as they realised they could actually get to the spark plugs
Insurance for me was a third of what I was paying for my VX!
Noise with the roof off at speed is really minimal - after a trip with the roof of in a VX I was nearly deaf at the other end, (still fun though) the Murtaya is really very civilised.
Adrenaline are definitely still going, in fact they are working their c*cks off - can't make Murtayas fast enough, there is a huge demand it seems. I am sure Neil won't mind me saying that the website situation is in hand.
Also worth checking out www.murtaya.com for Mike's website in the US - there are also companies in various other countries who have Murtaya kits who are doing their own builds.
One of the Kit-car Mags is or has built a Murtaya - might be worth checking that out too.
I believe someone has mentioned already get a Murtaya with 'just' a WRX engine and then upgrade later.
As I have said before, if you are thinking about a Murtaya have a test drive! Something which weighs less than an Elise and has three times the power through 4wd is really rather potent.
They are at Llandough today so hopefully Neil will be along later to let us know how it went.
Murtaya's aver very nice indeed, and the guys work there are good blokes. I have an Impreza as well as my kit, but are you sure the Murtaya is lighter than an Elise?? My Subaru is a fat bloater! I need to have a ride with Neil, am interested in how it feels with several hundred kilo's missing from the weight of an Impreza. As i have said before, I find my Subaru too heavy and "numb" to consider it a sportscar.
Furyblade_Lee said:
Murtaya's aver very nice indeed, and the guys work there are good blokes. I have an Impreza as well as my kit, but are you sure the Murtaya is lighter than an Elise?? My Subaru is a fat bloater! I need to have a ride with Neil, am interested in how it feels with several hundred kilo's missing from the weight of an Impreza. As i have said before, I find my Subaru too heavy and "numb" to consider it a sportscar.
No its not lighter than an Elise but theres not much in it, only about the weight of a person between the two. Unless you get the carbon fibre version 
Edited by tomTVR on Saturday 30th August 12:00
Ive been to Llandow today and also been in a mildly tuned 240 bhp Murtaya for a few flying laps with a great 18 year old racing driver...... awesome!!
The car weighs 875kgs as stated by Neil
there was a supercharged series 2 Elise running and the Murtaya was a lot lot quicker, i think some of you boys need to go for a ride in the Murt before you comment too much further.
Awesome predictable handling
great brakes
etc etc
The car weighs 875kgs as stated by Neil
there was a supercharged series 2 Elise running and the Murtaya was a lot lot quicker, i think some of you boys need to go for a ride in the Murt before you comment too much further.
Awesome predictable handling
great brakes
etc etc
kylemrushall said:
i think some of you boys need to go for a ride in the Murt before you comment too much further.
I quite like the idea of a Murtaya, but for a couple of things:It's looks and it's weight.
I've never driven one mind you, but I've driven a few Imprezas and I like them..
Ferg said:
kylemrushall said:
i think some of you boys need to go for a ride in the Murt before you comment too much further.
I quite like the idea of a Murtaya, but for a couple of things:It's looks and it's weight.
I've never driven one mind you, but I've driven a few Imprezas and I like them..
Most Libras weigh between 750 and 850 kgs, like an S1 Elise (THE car it should be compared with). Mine was 780kgs, but was fully trimmed in Alcantara, Recaro seats, monster brakes, Hi-Fi ect. There is no contest power-to-weight the Murtaya is easily capable of running over 300bhp per ton. The Murtaya is definately an awesome and fast car. A clever concept of donor vehicle and i am sure point to point is one of the fastest ways to do it, not just in a kit car. But it has nothing in common with a Libra or its core values except it has two seats.
- I think what is spoiling PH threads a bit of late ( in ALL forums), is people championing their own cars and putting down others that they have obviously never driven. Kitcars by nature are so different and there is room for all. Pretty soon this industry is going to be in deep s*** if our government has its way, maybe even stopped altogether as kit cars will cost more than a production car (some do already!) On here is the last stand of people who appreciate the eccentricity of kit cars so i think we should all be a bit more positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Furyblade_Lee said:
- I think what is spoiling PH threads a bit of late ( in ALL forums), is people championing their own cars and putting down others that they have obviously never driven. Kitcars by nature are so different and there is room for all. Pretty soon this industry is going to be in deep s*** if our government has its way, maybe even stopped altogether as kit cars will cost more than a production car (some do already!) On here is the last stand of people who appreciate the eccentricity of kit cars so i think we should all be a bit more positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Furyblade_Lee said:
Most Libras weigh between 750 and 850 kgs, like an S1 Elise (THE car it should be compared with). Mine was 780kgs, but was fully trimmed in Alcantara, Recaro seats, monster brakes, Hi-Fi ect. There is no contest power-to-weight the Murtaya is easily capable of running over 300bhp per ton. The Murtaya is definately an awesome and fast car. A clever concept of donor vehicle and i am sure point to point is one of the fastest ways to do it, not just in a kit car. But it has nothing in common with a Libra or its core values except it has two seats.
Lee- I think what is spoiling PH threads a bit of late ( in ALL forums), is people championing their own cars and putting down others that they have obviously never driven. Kitcars by nature are so different and there is room for all. Pretty soon this industry is going to be in deep s*** if our government has its way, maybe even stopped altogether as kit cars will cost more than a production car (some do already!) On here is the last stand of people who appreciate the eccentricity of kit cars so i think we should all be a bit more positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are spot on, i love the kit car industry more than most (4 kits in the my family 2 Quantums, an Ultima and a Ginetta) We must indeed be positive and i think the industry needs to change with the times. There are certain manufacturers i think will not be here in the near future unfortunately!! I also believe the class cars and companies will be here as long as they carry on producing quality products. A mainstream car holds no kudos for me and yes they may be cheap to purchase but some of them certainly are not cheap to run/maintain?
the Murtaya is not comparable in any way to a Libra but both are great cars
The Murtaya imo is the best car to come out of our beloved industry for a long time and i look forward to being able to drive one again.
Definitely agree - kitcar industry is really something of value which should be supported. Every person likes different things about each car they drive and what one person likes another may dislike. With the kit-car industry everyone gets a better chance of finding or changing something to suit their desires.
So, the the starter of the thread - I think the only way to choose between the two vehicles you mentioned is to try them, I expect them to be very different in feel, I can't comment on the Libra as I have not even sat in one sadly but would love to have a play!
So, the the starter of the thread - I think the only way to choose between the two vehicles you mentioned is to try them, I expect them to be very different in feel, I can't comment on the Libra as I have not even sat in one sadly but would love to have a play!
Hey EasyDude-
I don't know if anybody here has been lucky enough to drive both the Libra and Murtaya, but I might be able to help with information on the latter...Some articles on the Murtaya:
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=112...
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/?shownews=80
http://www.murtaya.com/EddiesMurtayaReview.shtml
http://www.murtaya.com/GezasMurtayaReview.shtml
http://www.murtaya.com/MyTripToAMS.shtml
I know Neil Yates and AMS can be hard to get ahold of (especially via email), and their website is very old (they've actually been forwarding people to www.murtaya.com ). But keep trying their email or phone; as for their site, they've got a new one on the way that is going to be very impressive, to say the least.
The Murtaya is probably too new to get anybody with long-term experience on one (most are still building theirs).
Try to get a drive in both in order to see which one "hooks" you more. You probably can't go wrong with either one, especially if you start out with a less powerful engine (for insurance, etc.).
Mike
I don't know if anybody here has been lucky enough to drive both the Libra and Murtaya, but I might be able to help with information on the latter...Some articles on the Murtaya:
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=112...
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/?shownews=80
http://www.murtaya.com/EddiesMurtayaReview.shtml
http://www.murtaya.com/GezasMurtayaReview.shtml
http://www.murtaya.com/MyTripToAMS.shtml
I know Neil Yates and AMS can be hard to get ahold of (especially via email), and their website is very old (they've actually been forwarding people to www.murtaya.com ). But keep trying their email or phone; as for their site, they've got a new one on the way that is going to be very impressive, to say the least.
The Murtaya is probably too new to get anybody with long-term experience on one (most are still building theirs).
Try to get a drive in both in order to see which one "hooks" you more. You probably can't go wrong with either one, especially if you start out with a less powerful engine (for insurance, etc.).
Mike
Edited by Hiryu on Sunday 31st August 19:15
Edited by Hiryu on Sunday 28th September 04:40
I think the power to weight ratio of the Murtaya is rapidly tipped in its favour by a few engine tweaks. It may be nearly twice the weight of an ultra light BEC, but you can get over 300bhp out the box and up to twice that if you're willing to pay.
Anyway - back on topic - how did the insurance quotes go? I had my first kit at 19 and it only cost me £180 a year to insure (in 2003).
Anyway - back on topic - how did the insurance quotes go? I had my first kit at 19 and it only cost me £180 a year to insure (in 2003).
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