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V6 Pushfit said:
A cologne engine Vixen is unusual, the chassis will be Vixen (I presume) but given plusses and minuses for the non originality of a more modern engine against the better performance and 5 speed it’s probably fair to say that Vixen S2 prices would be applicable.
Yes it's the original S2 Chassis that's had a total renovation / as I said I wanted a car that I could use, so not concourse .
Keith,
Very pretty. Congrats on the build.
I think I diverted your original post into a discussion about concourse values. Not intended, just saw that as a level bench mark of prices between Tuscan & Vixen. In my mind a concourse Tuscan would probably be in the mid to high £30k's and a similar Vixen in the low to mid £30k's. At the other end of the scale, an MOT'd but well used Tuscan at mid to high teens and a Vixen low to mid teens.
IMO, although the cars are identical visually, they suit a different driver. The V6 Tuscan is nicer at speed, so long distances suit it. The Vixen is better balanced so more fun through corners but can become tiresome on motorways. Track wise, the Vixen loves short twisty circuits and will hold it's own against anything other than Caterfields. The Tuscan will struggle through the slower twisty stuff but come alive on the straights.
Your 2.8 Cologne is one I have no experience of. I suspect it's more akin to the Essex being heavy but torquey. It seems an odd choice to fit in a Vixen but I'm sure there's good reason. Personally if I wanted to go away from OE, a modern Zetec or Duratec would be my choice. Unless I won the lottery and then I'd fit a BDA - bugger the cost and buy a second Vixen to drive for when the BDA is in the workshop.
Moto
Very pretty. Congrats on the build.
I think I diverted your original post into a discussion about concourse values. Not intended, just saw that as a level bench mark of prices between Tuscan & Vixen. In my mind a concourse Tuscan would probably be in the mid to high £30k's and a similar Vixen in the low to mid £30k's. At the other end of the scale, an MOT'd but well used Tuscan at mid to high teens and a Vixen low to mid teens.
IMO, although the cars are identical visually, they suit a different driver. The V6 Tuscan is nicer at speed, so long distances suit it. The Vixen is better balanced so more fun through corners but can become tiresome on motorways. Track wise, the Vixen loves short twisty circuits and will hold it's own against anything other than Caterfields. The Tuscan will struggle through the slower twisty stuff but come alive on the straights.
Your 2.8 Cologne is one I have no experience of. I suspect it's more akin to the Essex being heavy but torquey. It seems an odd choice to fit in a Vixen but I'm sure there's good reason. Personally if I wanted to go away from OE, a modern Zetec or Duratec would be my choice. Unless I won the lottery and then I'd fit a BDA - bugger the cost and buy a second Vixen to drive for when the BDA is in the workshop.
Moto
Hi Moto, engine and box were already in car when I bought it and apparently has hot cams fitted came out of a previous owner freinds kit car, and is in good condition, with it being similar to the Essex engine I've just used it , I owned a Tuscan in the late 70s and always wanted another one, but high prices meant I just couldn't afford one , so with the vixen S2 having the same chassis and body and this car having the V6 I thought why not , looking now to be on the road next spring , hope it lives up to my expectations.
TVRMs said:
Suspect the same or a little less than a S2 vixen in the same condition. Understand why it has that engine but I think it will put some off buying.
Agree with that as its a S2 Vixen with a different engine to original, the 5 speed box will help though as its a recognized upgrade TVRMs said:
Suspect the same or a little less than a S2 vixen in the same condition. Understand why it has that engine but I think it will put some off buying.
Its an interesting thought as the values of modified cars with alternative engines, i suppose that like anything its value is usually based on how large a demand there is for any item be it Gold Caviar or Diamonds or Potatoes there is a demand for them all but availability against demand dictates the price.Its certainly going to harder to sell than a standard car and price may not always reflect the cost thats been spent,however i really dont think people are that worried they build what they want to own and enjoy TVRs dont have a monopoly on that score John.
Andrew
Andrew Gray said:
TVRMs said:
Suspect the same or a little less than a S2 vixen in the same condition. Understand why it has that engine but I think it will put some off buying.
Its an interesting thought as the values of modified cars with alternative engines, i suppose that like anything its value is usually based on how large a demand there is for any item be it Gold Caviar or Diamonds or Potatoes there is a demand for them all but availability against demand dictates the price.Its certainly going to harder to sell than a standard car and price may not always reflect the cost thats been spent,however i really dont think people are that worried they build what they want to own and enjoy TVRs dont have a monopoly on that score John.
Andrew
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Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 8th November 08:45
TVRMs said:
My thoughts were around a non-period engine swap Andrew. I’m sure people build what they want (when they can) with the sole purpose of enjoyment. I don’t believe folk that tell me they aren’t bothered about what it’s worth when it’s finished.
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Apologies for the hijack but... on the subject of 'non-standard' engines, does anyone know of any swap overs to the later Ford 'Duratec' 2.5 or 3.0 V6s (as found in ST Mondeos)? They have a huge spec; Porsche designed, Cosworth fettled, all alloy, quad cam, 24 valve, around 225 bhp/225 lbft standard. What's not to like?
The Jag version, being RWD in the S-Type, would probably be the obvious choice for a TVR, although the 'Powered by Ford' badge would then be rather tenuous
The Jag version, being RWD in the S-Type, would probably be the obvious choice for a TVR, although the 'Powered by Ford' badge would then be rather tenuous
I believe a Danish owner has done this with his very well modified M.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=13...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=13...
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 8th November 14:51
Took in all comments , ok everybody has different ideas of what engine they would like in these cars , there was one for sale not so long ago with the alfa Romeo twin cam engine , can't see what problem a Colone v6 would make from what I've heard apparently it was a better engine than the Essex v6 , although very similar .
I like what you've done with your car, Keith, it all fits nicely and as we say, if it looks right, it probably is. I'm sure it will 'upset' no-one but the most pedantic, anally-retentive, puristic, concours judge ...having a bad day.
Fact is, it's another one (nearly) back on the road, to be enjoyed by both the driver and bystanders alike.
The main difference that I recall between the Essex and the Cologne (aside from the wavy edge rocker covers...) was that two cyls per bank had Siamesed exhaust ports making them more awkward to tune, but I think you could still squeeze 200bhp out.
Good luck with the final fettling.
Fact is, it's another one (nearly) back on the road, to be enjoyed by both the driver and bystanders alike.
The main difference that I recall between the Essex and the Cologne (aside from the wavy edge rocker covers...) was that two cyls per bank had Siamesed exhaust ports making them more awkward to tune, but I think you could still squeeze 200bhp out.
Good luck with the final fettling.
1969tuscan said:
Took in all comments , ok everybody has different ideas of what engine they would like in these cars , there was one for sale not so long ago with the alfa Romeo twin cam engine , can't see what problem a Colone v6 would make from what I've heard apparently it was a better engine than the Essex v6 , although very similar .
Vixens were effectively kit cars and came with a multitude of TVR supported engine options from Triumph 1300, Ford 1600, Triumph 2.5l, Daimler 2.5l, Ford 3l & Ford 4.7l. They also experimented with other engines such as the Lotus Twin Cam. I agree, the Alfa engine car looked very nice (not that I know anything about Alfa engines) but gut feel is that I'd be very happy to own it. There are lots of Rover V8 engine Vixens about which nobody seems to have issues with. Then there are the many Zetec & Duratec conversions. I'm sure there's a LM V8 engine Vixen I've seen somewhere, oh and a pinto engine also. Then there's the dealer fit supercharger option offered for the Crossflow engine - still one running in Australia. Wow... the list goes on...It'll only be a problem if after you've got the car on the road, you don't like it. But chances are you love it.
Moto
TwinKam said:
I like what you've done with your car, Keith, it all fits nicely and as we say, if it looks right, it probably is. I'm sure it will 'upset' no-one but the most pedantic, anally-retentive, puristic, concours judge ...having a bad day.
Fact is, it's another one (nearly) back on the road, to be enjoyed by both the driver and bystanders alike.
The main difference that I recall between the Essex and the Cologne (aside from the wavy edge rocker covers...) was that two cyls per bank had Siamesed exhaust ports making them more awkward to tune, but I think you could still squeeze 200bhp out.
Good luck with the final fettling.
Tuscan challenge Tasmins were running 240-250 bhp with triple webers so no issue tuning. Maybe not as tuneable as an Essex but more is available with trick three port heads.Fact is, it's another one (nearly) back on the road, to be enjoyed by both the driver and bystanders alike.
The main difference that I recall between the Essex and the Cologne (aside from the wavy edge rocker covers...) was that two cyls per bank had Siamesed exhaust ports making them more awkward to tune, but I think you could still squeeze 200bhp out.
Good luck with the final fettling.
I don't think the choice of engine will upset anyone, I'm sure there'll be a swarm of interested folk around the car every time it stops and the bonnets lifted
Just a thought that i had forgotten.
There are some countries that when importing a classic car in order to register the car there it is required to have the original engine fitted in order to qualify as oldtimer registration.
This happened with the Vixen a couple of years ago with the Lotus Twin cam conversion when it was sold abroad i cant remember exactly but i think they gave up and sold it back to the uk rather than sucking up the cost of converting it back.
This then once again limits the market so effecting the value.
Andrew
There are some countries that when importing a classic car in order to register the car there it is required to have the original engine fitted in order to qualify as oldtimer registration.
This happened with the Vixen a couple of years ago with the Lotus Twin cam conversion when it was sold abroad i cant remember exactly but i think they gave up and sold it back to the uk rather than sucking up the cost of converting it back.
This then once again limits the market so effecting the value.
Andrew
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