Advantage of F1's top three teams a "complete joke" to Sainz

Advantage of F1's top three teams a "complete joke" to Sainz

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anonymous-user

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53 months

Friday 14th April 2017
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128958...

Doubt anyone would disagree with his statement.

It is a complete joke but at least there seems to be two teams in the running this year.

FeelingLucky

1,082 posts

163 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128958...

Doubt anyone would disagree with his statement.

It is a complete joke but at least there seems to be two teams in the running this year.
Well, he's half right.
The top three teams make the rest look like a joke.
But:-

One of the three is a customer team.
And another one of the three, supplies same spec engines to it's customers.

So really isn't it just "the rest" doing a p1ss poor job?



VolvoT5

4,155 posts

173 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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He is frustrated because the Red Bull main team is full up and he is tied into a contract with them... no doubt he wants out and into a Ferrari seat and you would have to say his performances do merit an upgrade to a top team....well apart from the ridiculous crash yesterday.

jm doc

2,771 posts

231 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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What he did yesterday was a complete joke...

FourWheelDrift

88,375 posts

283 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Autosport said:
In the Australia Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton's pole position time was 1.886 seconds faster than Romain Grosjean's Haas in sixth, while Felipe Massa's Williams was the best of the rest in China, 1.829s adrift.
Wow, 1st to 6th covered by 1.8 seconds that's really close.

I remember when 1.4s covered front first 2 or when 3.3 seconds covered the first 3, and 8 seconds covered the front to the back of the grid. And when some had to pre-qualify and were 15 seconds slower.

EDLT

15,421 posts

205 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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The headline mentions the top three teams, but Sainz seems to be complaining about just Mercedes and Ferrari further down. Was he misquoted or did he just remember what was written on the side of his car?

StevieBee

12,789 posts

254 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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The disparity of performance throughout the F1 grid has always been there and in the past - to levels significantly greater than today.

In the 80s and 90s, back markers were regularly lapped within 5 laps of the start.


London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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StevieBee said:
The disparity of performance throughout the F1 grid has always been there and in the past - to levels significantly greater than today.

In the 80s and 90s, back markers were regularly lapped within 5 laps of the start.
Many races where the winner would lap everyone up to about 4th place too.

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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RB, Ferrari and Merc have one thing in common - money - and that has generally meant a team will be in the top three places. Mind you, it hasn't always helped Ferrari and their ability to waste resources is legendary.

I can understand the chap's frustration, but even in the days of the majority of teams equipped with the DFV, the qualifying times varied a great deal.

What strikes me as odd, and sad, is Williams inability to mix it despite having a quality engine.


coppice

8,561 posts

143 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose . If Master Sainz wants more spec formula racing then try Indy . like his pal Fernando. If he looks at a bit of F 1 history then major disparity between sharp and blunt end of grids (or between sharp end of blunt end and blunt end of sharp end) is the norm. Too many examples to quote them all but - Auto Unions and Mercs pre war, Mercs in 50s , Lotus 25, 49 , 72 and 79 weren't too shabby, 88 season McLaren Honda ( he said , without a trace of irony) 92 Wiliams etc etc

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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London424 said:
StevieBee said:
The disparity of performance throughout the F1 grid has always been there and in the past - to levels significantly greater than today.

In the 80s and 90s, back markers were regularly lapped within 5 laps of the start.
Many races where the winner would lap everyone up to about 4th place too.
But you'd still often see 6-8 drivers in 3 or 4 different cars winning races.

Which is a big improvement over the modern era where lack of testing means you struggle to catch up if you start the first race off the pace.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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Trabi601 said:
But you'd still often see 6-8 drivers in 3 or 4 different cars winning races.
Due in no small part to the fact that quite often half the field would retire with reliability issues

FourWheelDrift

88,375 posts

283 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Due in no small part to the fact that quite often half the field would retire with reliability issues
Give everyone Honda engines.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Wednesday 19th April 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Trabi601 said:
But you'd still often see 6-8 drivers in 3 or 4 different cars winning races.
Due in no small part to the fact that quite often half the field would retire with reliability issues
Because everyone was running at 10/10 during the race, and boosting it to 11/10 to get past their opponents.

Made for much more tense racing, as you never knew if a car would let go and change the race completely.

coppice

8,561 posts

143 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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But people weren't running flat all out the time back then either . Plenty of cars would blow up if at the smallest provocation - Zakspeed and Toleman were serial offenders. Still loved the unpredictability and few sights were more impressive than a boosted off the scale Williams Honda or Brabham BMW in last minutes of qualifying .I saw Rosberg's 161 mph lap at Silverstone in '85 and that was just epic

StevieBee

12,789 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Trabi601 said:
London424 said:
StevieBee said:
The disparity of performance throughout the F1 grid has always been there and in the past - to levels significantly greater than today.

In the 80s and 90s, back markers were regularly lapped within 5 laps of the start.
Many races where the winner would lap everyone up to about 4th place too.
But you'd still often see 6-8 drivers in 3 or 4 different cars winning races.

Which is a big improvement over the modern era where lack of testing means you struggle to catch up if you start the first race off the pace.
How far back are you going? There were many seasons in the 90s completely dominated by Williams and then McLaren. Lotus had hugely dominant seasons in the 60s and 70s. 1976 was only about McLaren and Ferrari in the same way this season is about Williams and Ferrari (so far at least).There are periods that provide a little more variety (the most recent being 2012 with six drivers in six teams winning the first six races - IIRC) but these have tended to be sporadic compared to the periods of dominance from one or two teams.