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Daston said:
Is there anywhere I can catch highlights from on ze net? I gave up trying to find a live stream after my update for real player kepted crashing and AVG was picking up every streaming site as a virus.
did you try www.nascar.com?davepoth said:
did you try www.nascar.com ?
You just don't expect them to give it away free! Too used to the 
Can I have some NASCAR help please?!!
Inspired by the Top Gear article and a love for Cars the Movie, my nine year old son wanted to watch some NASCAR so I recorded the Motors TV programme from Daytona. This was the Nationwide series from Daytona.
Q1 - What's the difference between that and the Cup Series?
Q2 - Are the cars in two car teams with different liveries, or are they all single entrants? If so, how do they sort out the drafting? Is it like road cycling where it's just the done thing and everyone does their bit?
Q3 - (nearly there
) is it faster to run lower or higher up the track? We couldn't believe the speed differential on some of the passes but I couldn't work out where the speed was coming from.
We really enjoyed it, but had completely no idea what was going on so any pointers would be much appreciated for next weekend!
Inspired by the Top Gear article and a love for Cars the Movie, my nine year old son wanted to watch some NASCAR so I recorded the Motors TV programme from Daytona. This was the Nationwide series from Daytona.
Q1 - What's the difference between that and the Cup Series?
Q2 - Are the cars in two car teams with different liveries, or are they all single entrants? If so, how do they sort out the drafting? Is it like road cycling where it's just the done thing and everyone does their bit?
Q3 - (nearly there
) is it faster to run lower or higher up the track? We couldn't believe the speed differential on some of the passes but I couldn't work out where the speed was coming from.We really enjoyed it, but had completely no idea what was going on so any pointers would be much appreciated for next weekend!
Much the same as above, first time watching after its come to motors tv and really enjoyied it. Alot of action, particularly enjoyed watching cars go that fast in big packs so close to each other, just one question from me.
It seems Daytona is one of the 'biggest' events and well known for big 'wrecks' and close pack racing. Will there be as much of this next race? I'm used to F1 races being good or bad depending on the track, is this the same for Nascar or was the Daytona race a fairly normal nascar race?
It seems Daytona is one of the 'biggest' events and well known for big 'wrecks' and close pack racing. Will there be as much of this next race? I'm used to F1 races being good or bad depending on the track, is this the same for Nascar or was the Daytona race a fairly normal nascar race?
Not a expert but I'll have a go..
They don't necessarily draft with a team mate. There was a shot last year inside a car that clearly showed the driver had buttons to press to talk to 4 or 5 different drivers on track. Crew cheifs and spotters also talk to each other. Its something that NASCAR have tried to reduce, they have banned drivers talking directly to other drivers this year in cup.
Yeah its mutual benefit really, so you do your bit.
The balance of the car will change through a stint too, so just because you ran high 20 laps ago doesn't mean you'll do it now.
RicksAlfas said:
Q1 - What's the difference between that and the Cup Series?
Cars are different "models" (e.g. mustang in NNS, fusion in cup) IIRC they use a slightly different chassis. Less powerful. NNS races are shorter and there are less of them.RicksAlfas said:
Q2 - Are the cars in two car teams with different liveries, or are they all single entrants? If so, how do they sort out the drafting? Is it like road cycling where it's just the done thing and everyone does their bit?
Some teams field one car, others field multiple cars, Hendrick has 4 cars in cup (#5 Kasey Kahne, #24 Jeff Gordon, #48 Jimmie Johnson, #88 Dale Earnhardt). Other teams like Wood brothers (#21 Trevor Bayne) only run one car and will not participate in all races due to budget.They don't necessarily draft with a team mate. There was a shot last year inside a car that clearly showed the driver had buttons to press to talk to 4 or 5 different drivers on track. Crew cheifs and spotters also talk to each other. Its something that NASCAR have tried to reduce, they have banned drivers talking directly to other drivers this year in cup.
Yeah its mutual benefit really, so you do your bit.
RicksAlfas said:
Q3 - (nearly there ) is it faster to run lower or higher up the track? We couldn't believe the speed differential on some of the passes but I couldn't work out where the speed was coming from.
Depends! High is quick because you don't slow down as much, thus higher top speed along the straights but you'll rip up tyres and you need a good handling car to do it or you'll be in the wall. Two cars drafting underneath you may be quicker. Of course it also varies greatly track to track - somewhere like daytona has a steep bank, which helps but a track like indy is quite flat - going high there is gonna be hard work. The short tracks don't lend themselves to running high either as they are usually quite tight. ) is it faster to run lower or higher up the track? We couldn't believe the speed differential on some of the passes but I couldn't work out where the speed was coming from.The balance of the car will change through a stint too, so just because you ran high 20 laps ago doesn't mean you'll do it now.
Forbes82 said:
It seems Daytona is one of the 'biggest' events and well known for big 'wrecks' and close pack racing. Will there be as much of this next race? I'm used to F1 races being good or bad depending on the track, is this the same for Nascar or was the Daytona race a fairly normal nascar race?
Daytona (2.5 mile high banked oval) is one of two tracks where the cars are fitted with mandatory "restrictor plates" between the carb (or throttle body as it is now) and the inlet manifold to keep the power down. The other track where this happens is Talladega (2.66 mile high banked oval). Without the plate sprint cup cars could do 230mph laps without lifting around those two tracks.The consequence of the power being reduced is that the cars run faster lined up "drafting" than they do on their own, so you see the big packs. This doesn't happen anywhere other than the two circuits mentioned, at least not in such a pronounced way. At other circuits the cars will gradually spread out as a green flag run goes on and you don't get "the big one" type accidents in the same way. Multi-car accidents still happen, often at the smaller circuits as there are 43 cars on a relatively short track. For example Dover is a 1 mile concrete oval with high banking and it is very narrow on the straights, so the track can get completely blocked if there is an accident within a few laps of a restart.
Next weekend is Phoenix, a 1 mile oval with shallow banking and a dog-leg in the backstrech, the racing will be very different from Daytona. For one thing the cars will have all their horsepower (900bhp for the sprint cup cars, rather than about 450 at Daytona).
onomatopoeia said:
Daytona (2.5 mile high banked oval) is one of two tracks where the cars are fitted with mandatory "restrictor plates" between the carb (or throttle body as it is now) and the inlet manifold to keep the power down. The other track where this happens is Talladega (2.66 mile high banked oval). Without the plate sprint cup cars could do 230mph laps without lifting around those two tracks.
The consequence of the power being reduced is that the cars run faster lined up "drafting" than they do on their own, so you see the big packs. This doesn't happen anywhere other than the two circuits mentioned, at least not in such a pronounced way. At other circuits the cars will gradually spread out as a green flag run goes on and you don't get "the big one" type accidents in the same way. Multi-car accidents still happen, often at the smaller circuits as there are 43 cars on a relatively short track. For example Dover is a 1 mile concrete oval with high banking and it is very narrow on the straights, so the track can get completely blocked if there is an accident within a few laps of a restart.
Next weekend is Phoenix, a 1 mile oval with shallow banking and a dog-leg in the backstrech, the racing will be very different from Daytona. For one thing the cars will have all their horsepower (900bhp for the sprint cup cars, rather than about 450 at Daytona).
Thanks, i'm totally new to the idea of oval racing and just starting to understand that two ovals can be completely different. I thought the tight pack racing was hugely exciting to watch, but i guess 900hp on a tiny oval will provide a different spectacle.The consequence of the power being reduced is that the cars run faster lined up "drafting" than they do on their own, so you see the big packs. This doesn't happen anywhere other than the two circuits mentioned, at least not in such a pronounced way. At other circuits the cars will gradually spread out as a green flag run goes on and you don't get "the big one" type accidents in the same way. Multi-car accidents still happen, often at the smaller circuits as there are 43 cars on a relatively short track. For example Dover is a 1 mile concrete oval with high banking and it is very narrow on the straights, so the track can get completely blocked if there is an accident within a few laps of a restart.
Next weekend is Phoenix, a 1 mile oval with shallow banking and a dog-leg in the backstrech, the racing will be very different from Daytona. For one thing the cars will have all their horsepower (900bhp for the sprint cup cars, rather than about 450 at Daytona).
Have a look at this for details of different tracks that are used.
http://www.nascar.com/races/tracks/
The oval tracks range from .5mile in length (Bristol, Martinsville) to > 2.5 mile (Dayton, Indy, Talladega). The you also have your 4 road courses (Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Road America and Montreal)
http://www.nascar.com/races/tracks/
The oval tracks range from .5mile in length (Bristol, Martinsville) to > 2.5 mile (Dayton, Indy, Talladega). The you also have your 4 road courses (Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Road America and Montreal)
Bit of news from the last couple of days. Jimmie Johnson been docked 25 points and Chad Knaus (his crew chief) has been suspended over 'illegal parts'. Hendrick are protesting so he is allowed to continue working until the results of that protest are known.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97743
Also, next year Penske will stop using Dodge and start using Ford:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97773
Dodge are releasing their 2013 car next week, and as the teams can make it look more recognisable as a Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Toyota as opposed to having loads of stickers on the front that kind of resembles the road car if you quint, it should be pretty cool. The head of Dodge has said he reckons people will be saying it looks 'like a street car with flat rubber on', (a road car on slicks). Can't wait to see what that and the Chevy look like, not so bothered about the Toyota though, don't know why. The Ford is my favourite so far, as the new Fusion is going to be identical to the Mondeo, in a roundabout way the humble old Mondeo is now a NASCAR! Shame there won't be a 5.7 V8, RWD version for us mere mortals any time soon.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97743
Also, next year Penske will stop using Dodge and start using Ford:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97773
Dodge are releasing their 2013 car next week, and as the teams can make it look more recognisable as a Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Toyota as opposed to having loads of stickers on the front that kind of resembles the road car if you quint, it should be pretty cool. The head of Dodge has said he reckons people will be saying it looks 'like a street car with flat rubber on', (a road car on slicks). Can't wait to see what that and the Chevy look like, not so bothered about the Toyota though, don't know why. The Ford is my favourite so far, as the new Fusion is going to be identical to the Mondeo, in a roundabout way the humble old Mondeo is now a NASCAR! Shame there won't be a 5.7 V8, RWD version for us mere mortals any time soon.
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