Pirelli tyres

Poll: Pirelli tyres

Total Members Polled: 337

F1 tyres shoud be fast and durable: 55%
non-durable tyres inproe the show: 45%
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Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Eric Mc said:
and I wonder who prompted that article?

Pitpass - let me think.....

At least they now admit it's nothing more than a lottery...

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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I think you'll find that the dominant car/driver combination is much rarer that your memory lets you think it was. Even in the 2000-2004 Ferrari Schumacher years there were a few hard fought titles that went down to the last couple of races, however selective human memory only seems to remember the years he dominated and won the championship early. Since then even fewer dominant years. Button's championship year is remembered as dominant but when you look back it hardly was.

dtrump

2,120 posts

190 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Is it possible that the engineers cant figure out the tyres because Pirelli have developed different compounds but label them the same. For example, in Spain maldo maybe got a set with a great compound, but senna got a bad batch.

I find it hard to believe that at this stage the teams still have 'no idea' how to get the tyres working. Maybe Pirelli are messing them around? I know that they shouldnt/cant, but maybe they are...

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Scuffers said:
Eric Mc said:
and I wonder who prompted that article?

Pitpass - let me think.....
You might have to ellaborate.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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dtrump said:
Is it possible that the engineers cant figure out the tyres because Pirelli have developed different compounds but label them the same. For example, in Spain maldo maybe got a set with a great compound, but senna got a bad batch.

I find it hard to believe that at this stage the teams still have 'no idea' how to get the tyres working. Maybe Pirelli are messing them around? I know that they shouldnt/cant, but maybe they are...
it's perfectly possible that one tyre is different from the next, in the past (like 30 year ago) it was very much the case that some tyres were better than others (Old stories of Berni'e man sniffing the good tyres out for Brabham are legendary!).

these are not mass produced tyres, and I honestly suspect that there is quite some variation within each type, hence why the teams can't seem to get a grip on it, combined with an extremely small operating window, means this is now a huge issue.


Eric Mc said:
Scuffers said:
Eric Mc said:
and I wonder who prompted that article?

Pitpass - let me think.....
You might have to ellaborate.
Pit-pass have always been considered the official outlet for Berni's message.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Really?

Do you ever read Mike Lawerence' articles?

dtrump

2,120 posts

190 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Scuffers said:
these are not mass produced tyres, and I honestly suspect that there is quite some variation within each type, hence why the teams can't seem to get a grip on it, combined with an extremely small operating window, means this is now a huge issue.
So its just shoddy Italian manufacturing. Got it wink

Megaflow

9,347 posts

224 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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I can't believe anybody is moaning about this year. I remember watching for 24 years, 1989 being the first year I truly remember, but I am sure I must have watched a few before then as well, and this year is by far and away the most exciting season we have ever had.

Who's going to win this years WDC? I haven't got a damn clue... Normally by this stage of the season we'd have a pretty good idea, to within a couple of drivers who is going to win, surely that's what it is all about. I reckon 7 drivers have a damn good shout of it.

Brilliant.

rdjohn

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6,135 posts

194 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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zac510 said:
Next week's winner will be withheld until Scuffers the driver his approval on whether the driver was racy enough. We'll delay the podium ceremony until he gives it the thumbs up.
Isn't that one of Bernie's / Stewards job?

I think that with tyres falling apart towards the end of the race, there could be an awful lot of argy-bargy down the grid resolving who did what, when.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Megaflow said:
I can't believe anybody is moaning about this year. I remember watching for 24 years, 1989 being the first year I truly remember, but I am sure I must have watched a few before then as well, and this year is by far and away the most exciting season we have ever had.

Who's going to win this years WDC? I haven't got a damn clue... Normally by this stage of the season we'd have a pretty good idea, to within a couple of drivers who is going to win, surely that's what it is all about. I reckon 7 drivers have a damn good shout of it.

Brilliant.
Ahh - but you should be able to tell after the first few races who is going to win the championship. That is the normal way of F1 and obviously having such an unpredicatable season is just too much for some people to handle. They are getting all jittery and upset because it's not all wrapped up already.

hairykrishna

13,159 posts

202 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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I don't really want to whinge about this season but I can't get away from the feeling it's bit of lottery regardless of how exciting it can be. A good yardstick will be if Maldonado wins another race or even looks like he might.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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hairykrishna said:
I don't really want to whinge about this season but I can't get away from the feeling it's bit of lottery regardless of how exciting it can be. A good yardstick will be if Maldonado wins another race or even looks like he might.
Exactly.


Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Scuffers said:
hairykrishna said:
I don't really want to whinge about this season but I can't get away from the feeling it's bit of lottery regardless of how exciting it can be. A good yardstick will be if Maldonado wins another race or even looks like he might.
Exactly.
I'd another new boy to win. It's got to be someone else's turn by now.

I think Monaco will be less of a surprise than previous races, to be honest, due to the nature of the circuit.

llewop

3,585 posts

210 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Eric Mc said:
I think Monaco will be less of a surprise than previous races, to be honest, due to the nature of the circuit.
You're probably right - after all, last year SV held off FA and JB with shot tyres for quite some time before the farce of the red flag. What could shake things up through is trying to get clever with when they stop to avoid getting bottled up behind someone trying a stop less than par. But I don't see 'the usual suspects' all managing to cock the weekend up, so doubt there will be a new winner this weekend.


stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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If Mclaren didn't keep shooting themselves in the foot, if Redbull still had their blown diffuser they would both be way ahead of the field, so these 'odd' results would not be happening.
But the fact that the big two have been pegged back gives the others a chance and makes tyres more important than ever,
but I feel the closeness of the field this year is something to be enjoyed.

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Plus you shouldn't put too much emphasis on a single race win, especially when there are 20 to be had in a season. As I mentioned before the top 5 from last year are still in the top 6 but with Raikkonen in the mix. The trend is still in the favour of those drivers and teams to win the championship. The odd win to a first-timer is just an outlier creating a bit of a variation along the way.

Consistency is the key, not unlike when the points structure changed it devalued a win.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Megaflow said:
I can't believe anybody is moaning about this year. I remember watching for 24 years, 1989 being the first year I truly remember, but I am sure I must have watched a few before then as well, and this year is by far and away the most exciting season we have ever had.

Who's going to win this years WDC? I haven't got a damn clue... Normally by this stage of the season we'd have a pretty good idea, to within a couple of drivers who is going to win, surely that's what it is all about. I reckon 7 drivers have a damn good shout of it.

Brilliant.
Eric Mc said:
Ahh - but you should be able to tell after the first few races who is going to win the championship. That is the normal way of F1 and obviously having such an unpredicatable season is just too much for some people to handle. They are getting all jittery and upset because it's not all wrapped up already.
Not at all.

This:

hairykrishna said:
I don't really want to whinge about this season but I can't get away from the feeling it's bit of lottery regardless of how exciting it can be. A good yardstick will be if Maldonado wins another race or even looks like he might.
You have to question the performance of Maldonado/William who have usually been about a second off the pace from the front.

Too much of a yo yo effect because if you don't get a handle on the tyres you're stuck in midfield, if you get the sweetspot you can fight for wins.

When a midfield type car jumps to the front its because of attrition/'to finish first first you must finish' or the exceptional talent of the driver.

Partly the reason F1 is boring is because the best drivers consistently get the best out of their equipment.


Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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entropy said:
Partly the reason F1 is boring is because the best drivers consistently get the best out of their equipment.
And how is that different from any other sport?

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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Bedazzled said:
Eric Mc said:
...obviously having such an unpredicatable season is just too much for some people to handle. They are getting all jittery and upset because it's not all wrapped up already.
He huffed and puffed, and blew his own strawman down. hehe
I see we've run out of valid points to make no so starting to throw virtual rocks. Time for me to withdraw from this particular debate then.

I hope you enjoy the rest of the season, especially when it becomes more predictable and boring - which is obviously what you prefer your F1 to be.

So long.

AlpineWhite

2,140 posts

194 months

Monday 21st May 2012
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The total non-spectacle that qualifying has become saddens me a bit. It's been decent enough over the last few years and I think it could be fixed by separate qualifying and race tyre allocations.

As for the current combo of tyres and design, well, we get a lot of passing.... but racing? The jury is still out.